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JustinHeywood 11th Oct 2020 05:31


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10902251)
I thought it had an Eastern European look, but I hadn't spotted the lower wing. That and the bracing strut triggered a vague memory.

There's ugly and then there's the PZL-M15 Belphegor:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2ca9501176.jpg

Several claims to fame according to Wikipedia:


The name is a nickname:

Well done India.
I hope that thing flew better than it looked. Over to you.

India Four Two 11th Oct 2020 13:51

Thanks Justin.

And now for something completely different - a minimalist cockpit:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....744085dc29.png

India Four Two 12th Oct 2020 06:56

I'm surprised this well-known aircraft hasn't been identified yet. My picture is of the rear cockpit.

I flew in one of these for the first time last week. A memorable experience.

JustinHeywood 12th Oct 2020 08:09


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10902818)
I'm surprised this well-known aircraft hasn't been identified yet. My picture is of the rear cockpit.

I flew in one of these for the first time last week. A memorable experience.

you did say ‘minimalist cockpit’ but I reckon Orville Wright had a more comprehensive panel.

I can’t find anything that spartan



ea200 12th Oct 2020 08:19

Reminds me of a Christen Eagle

Asturias56 12th Oct 2020 08:20

Microlight?

Bergerie1 12th Oct 2020 08:33

And what about this one?


washoutt 12th Oct 2020 08:46

What a sensible cat, to sit so still during an emergency.

FlightlessParrot 12th Oct 2020 10:06


Originally Posted by washoutt (Post 10902888)
What a sensible cat, to sit so still during an emergency.

And it did not try to take its baggage with it on evacuation.

Bergerie1 12th Oct 2020 15:24

But what sort is it? The aeroplane not the cat!

India Four Two 12th Oct 2020 15:35


Reminds me of a Christen Eagle
That's because it is - a "Christen Eagle II" to be precise. Flown solo from the back seat. Here's a view of both cockpits:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e4abbd66c4.jpg

Here's a shot of me preparing for my first flight last Wednesday:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7ec77ad714.png

An unreal experience for someone who's only flown aeros in Chipmunks and similar. I had previously flown 44 other types, which, using a vehicle analogy, ranged from trucks to sports cars. By comparison, this flight was like getting into a F1 car!

ea200 has control.

ea200 12th Oct 2020 20:15

Thanks India. Spent a few hours in that cockpit. Need a bit of cooperation from the front seater if you want to see the ASI or change the altimeter setting! Lovely to fly but weight and balance demands respect. Better vis than a Pitts S2 though.

Here's the next:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....89f00b5ae7.jpg

ea200 18th Oct 2020 11:45

No takers so far. Here's a slightly wider shot, maybe that will help. This design has spawned a number of developments.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6f828c51f4.jpg


sycamore 18th Oct 2020 20:06

Can`t read the`Aresti` which may give a clue...CAP232 for starters...?

ea200 18th Oct 2020 20:22

Nice try but not the CAP232. I can't read the Aresti on the original either but there is a tumble in there somewhere. This aircraft has the same G limits as the 232 if that helps.

sycamore 18th Oct 2020 21:05

Would`ve thought anyone doin` aeros would be able to read,or have a `G0-PRO` strapped to their head..no straps on pedals either....not an SBach..? having had a flight in one with the owner(airline CEO!); Either tandem or single ? Extras come in various rigs,but it may be a `One Design`...?

ea200 18th Oct 2020 23:17

You are right, it's not an SBach. It's a single seater but there is a twin seat version. Not an Extra but there is a connection. I have flown an aerobatic type with straps but not sure what it was now. May have been a Cap or possibly Yak? You're getting close I think.

sycamore 20th Oct 2020 14:05

Stevens Akro / Lazer...ruled out MiG,Yak,and Sukhoi,not Zlin,possibly Wagner...?

ea200 20th Oct 2020 14:38

It is indeed a Laser 200. The design was a development of the Stevens Akro and later Walter Extra designed the Extra 230 based on the Laser he had previously used in competitions. The 230 later developed into the Extra 200/300 range.

You have control.

Why is pprune changing the a into an @ sign?

sycamore 21st Oct 2020 11:11

Sorry guys,Open House...

India Four Two 22nd Oct 2020 06:10


Why is PPRuNe changing the a into an @ sign?
I seem to remember it is something to do with the issues related to people pointing green devices of this type at aircraft!

ea200 22nd Oct 2020 08:35

Thanks India42. That possibility never occured to me.

nvubu 28th Oct 2020 22:49

A rare venture into this thread from me.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5562a16172.jpg

I must remember to check the thread :cool:

sycamore 28th Oct 2020 23:13

Something from Germany...possibly 4-engined...?

nvubu 28th Oct 2020 23:15

Not from Germany, but it is 4-engined.

JustinHeywood 29th Oct 2020 08:57


Originally Posted by nvubu (Post 10913873)
A rare venture into this thread from me.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5562a16172.jpg

I must remember to check the thread :cool:

Good one nvbu - it’s an interesting one. With the industrial steam-punk style, I’m guessing weight wasn’t a primary concern. Something nautical perhaps?

Jhieminga 29th Oct 2020 10:56

I'm thinking it's a B-24 Liberator during construction.

nvubu 29th Oct 2020 12:53

Yes a B-24 Liberator during construction.

Jhieminga has control

Jhieminga 30th Oct 2020 09:45

Here we go with a new challenge:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8f5891de53.jpg

Self loading bear 6th Nov 2020 20:39

This challenge is running way too long.
Earlier tonight I thought that the left hinged canopy would be a valuable clue.
But it showed there are a considerable number of left hinges.
Then I identified the Martin Baker Mk7 ejection seat.
As ?all? applications are given on the MB site and
Together with the apparent preference of Jelle for German experimental aircraft.
i come to the EWR VJ 101.

Jhieminga 8th Nov 2020 20:15

Oops, should have checked this thread a bit sooner. You've got it SLB, it is indeed another German Senkrechtstarter. I found a nice set of photos here: VJ-101 C pictures I and couldn't resist.... I guess I have to change my preferences to keep this a bit challenging next time. ;)

Self loading bear 9th Nov 2020 21:10

This might be a simple challenge for the experienced threaders.
Perhaps give the others a 24 hour head start?
Did one see any other aircraft with a gear shift lever?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dfd35ecbe.jpeg

Jhieminga 10th Nov 2020 07:39

Allright, I'll wait a bit before posting the answer.... ;) You could have made this a much greater challenge!

Asturias56 10th Nov 2020 09:17

Since its all in French............................

Self loading bear 10th Nov 2020 16:16


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10923200)
Since its all in French............................

At least E and W on the compass are in English!
(and the 4 min turn indicator)


dixi188 10th Nov 2020 18:15


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10923512)
At least E and W on the compass are in English!
(and the 4 min turn indicator)

I don't think that's a compass on the left, but I'm with you on the NSEW.
It's an Omni Bearing Selector for the VOR part of a VOR/LOC indicator. It should go with a King KX170 or similar that appears to have been stolen.

Jhieminga 10th Nov 2020 18:20

I reckon this is the survivor that's in Europe, that one doesn't appear to have flown for a while. Perhaps the NavCom was needed for another aircraft.

sycamore 10th Nov 2020 18:39

As it`s got a `modern intercom system,it may be in resurrection mode......

dixi188 11th Nov 2020 09:54

And what's the wheel or UFO doing in front of the left windscreen?

Jhieminga 11th Nov 2020 10:00

Good question, there are more photos from the same sequence here: https://www.machdiamonds.com/s200.html but none of them show that particular UFO in more detail.


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