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dook 5th Oct 2019 21:59

Wot a good clue. :)

Found it but it's bedtime.

sycamore 5th Oct 2019 22:07

Apples and pears..............zzzz

India Four Two 6th Oct 2019 05:52

You shouldn't have gone to bed, dook! My first guess was the Boulton Paul Balliol, but the panel didn't match, so I looked into other 1940s-1950s side-by-side advanced trainers.

Instead of an Oxford College, I found a Greek Goddess - the Avro Athena!

dook 6th Oct 2019 09:18

I simply thought it an idea to give "the night shift" a shot, and you pitched up on cue.

sycamore 6th Oct 2019 11:33

Sorry guys,just spent over an hour trying to get this thing to work.....bad hangover...( computer,not me)
Over to I42.......

India Four Two 6th Oct 2019 18:04

I'm also sorry for the delay, but it's due to me being a gentleman of leisure these days and deciding to stay in bed this morning!

The view out of the Athena cockpit must have been appalling with those gun sights in the way.

Here's a cockpit that I actually had lined up for once!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....951bbc97d6.jpg

dook 6th Oct 2019 18:07

I thought you might be working.

Now that I am retired I find I don't need a lie-in - I'm up at 0830-0900 local every day !

dook 6th Oct 2019 18:29

US piston trainer ?

I can't make out if it's a single or twin.

Suspect twin and trying to work out why all the engine instruments are on the right.

India Four Two 6th Oct 2019 18:39

US piston. Not designed as a trainer, but I'm sure it has taken on that role. More clues later, if required.

dook 6th Oct 2019 18:45

"if required" might well be an understatement.

dook 6th Oct 2019 18:48

Was it designed for light attack ?

Self loading bear 6th Oct 2019 19:36

Ryan Navion L17-B?

OH if correct

SincoTC 6th Oct 2019 19:40

Well, those control wheels are very Ryan, but it does look like a twin, so could it be a Twin Navion?

I see that Bear is on the same track, dunno if his designation is a twin though!

dook 6th Oct 2019 19:43

This should be interesting when I42 comes back.

sycamore 6th Oct 2019 19:55

You can see an engine on the right....

Self loading bear 6th Oct 2019 20:24

I completely neglected the twin engine configuration.
All credits to SincoTC!

dook 6th Oct 2019 21:04

When I42 comes back to the bar, will someone please wish him goodnight from me.

India Four Two 6th Oct 2019 22:47

Sorry guys. I’ve been out enjoying the +16° weather.

Yes, the Twin Navion. A fascinating development history. It all started with a Navion owner who wanted to buy a twin. His AME said why don’t we put two engines in yours? Not difficult and it’s only a minor mod. A Form 337 will do!

Making the first Twin Navion

I saw our local one at a fly-in breakfast recently, which is what prompted me to look for a cockpit photo:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e387dfc9f.jpeg

Scottie’s Toy has an interesting history:

C-FNHN, The History of 'Scottie's Toy'

Well spotted SincoTC, you have control.


SincoTC 6th Oct 2019 23:36

Thanks I-42, good challenge :ok:

I spent quite a while searching for a photo showing that overhead panel after I decided it must be Navion of sorts due to those characteristic control wheels, plus that glimpse of a nacelle out of the window confirmed it 's twin! I did find a couple but they all had slightly different layout on OH panel and modern looking control wheels, but as it seemed they were all mods anyway, there were bound to be variations, so I decided to take a punt :)

Here's the next one!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....893ea0f0e9.jpg
Now I'm off to bed too! :)

India Four Two 7th Oct 2019 03:53

Leather straps on the rudder pedals. Germany or points further east?

SincoTC 7th Oct 2019 04:47


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10588301)
Leather straps on the rudder pedals. Germany or points further east?

No need to head East, it is German !

dook 7th Oct 2019 08:09

Morning TC.

I've seen it before I think - Messerschmitt Komet ?

SincoTC 7th Oct 2019 08:30

Good morning dook,


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10588388)
Morning TC.

I've seen it before I think - Messerschmitt Komet ?

You think correctly, it is indeed the Messerschmitt Me.163 Komet

Control is yours! :ok:

dook 7th Oct 2019 08:33

Cheers TC.

I found it during searches for challenges and had put it in my folder for future use - bad luck mate.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....11fc552f59.jpg

SincoTC 7th Oct 2019 09:32


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10588402)
Cheers TC.

I found it during searches for challenges and had put it in my folder for future use - bad luck mate.

No worries, I hoped it wouldn't hang about as I'm heading out now to take over some house/pet sitting duties for the rest of the month and it will take a while to transfer my enough of my stuff over and set up there, then hook into their BB connection, so I hope some others will participate today! Catchya later! :)

P.S. It looks like there's some reasonably modern electronics there, is that a mod to an older airframe or original fit? I like the pilot's personal aircon :ok:


dook 7th Oct 2019 10:03

It is indeed a mod to an older aeroplane.

sycamore 7th Oct 2019 11:51

Russian perhaps....?

dook 7th Oct 2019 11:52

Russian indeed. :uhoh:

sycamore 7th Oct 2019 12:37

Antonov An-24,or variant.....

dook 7th Oct 2019 13:16

This one is a single-engined turboprop.

sycamore 7th Oct 2019 14:03

Has to be the An-3T ,depending on which turboprop engine is fitted....

dook 7th Oct 2019 14:27

Now you have me a little confused.

Only one engine type is fitted

However you take the win but I have found it in several publications as the An-2-100. Maybe the designation has changed.

All yours.

sycamore 7th Oct 2019 16:26

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0919b06de2.jpg
There are several turbine types fitted now to An-2,or An3,or Y-5 Chinese ones;; Wiki has some answers..
Here`s one I prefer....

dook 7th Oct 2019 16:55

Spade grip with firing button suggests WW2 fighter/fighter-bomber.

Hurricane ?

dook 7th Oct 2019 17:31

Maybe a modified Tiffy.

sycamore 7th Oct 2019 18:18

NEITHER.....

Kemble Pitts 7th Oct 2019 18:55

Miles M20?

Harley Quinn 7th Oct 2019 18:56

Fairey Battle?

Kemble Pitts 7th Oct 2019 19:01

... or Tornado?

Kemble Pitts 7th Oct 2019 19:04

Better idea, Gloster Gladiator?


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