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India Four Two 2nd Oct 2019 00:13

Boeing XB-15. I stumbled on this the other day while researching a previous challenge.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....536b1cc55.jpeg


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ec8359eea.jpeg
See this page:
https://aafradio.org/flightdeck/1935/SCR-AE-183.html

PS Alternatively it might be an inter-crew top-secret pneumatic tube messaging system!

I see a Caption Competition challenge here!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8cfa7e2c27.jpg

dook 2nd Oct 2019 08:39

There's a shot I42.

The XB-15 it is.

Your stage. :ok:

India Four Two 2nd Oct 2019 19:34

The history of the single XB-15 is worth reading. Record-breaking flights and then useful service as a transport, followed by an ignominious end as landfill in Panama!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_XB-15

Here’s any easy one. Later models had the instrument panel attached to the canopy, to improve the chances of baling out!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b4cf8a2d8.jpeg

dook 2nd Oct 2019 19:39

No engine instruments so certainly a sailplane.

Judging by the ASI quite a high-performance one too.

India Four Two 2nd Oct 2019 19:58

Quite modest performance by present day standards.

dook 2nd Oct 2019 20:00

It's a Schleicher for sure bur there are loads of them with basically the same panel.

Trying to find the model.

dook 2nd Oct 2019 20:09

Bit of a nightmare this - they all basically look the same.

Let's start with the ASW-19.

edit: found a pic of the very similar 20.

India Four Two 2nd Oct 2019 20:50

dook, I recommend you stick with your first answer. The ASW-19 - an over-forty year old glider, but a delight to fly. A bit worrying when I slide my size-12s under the instrument panel.

Here's the one I fly:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6ce5c90aee.jpg

dook has control.

dook 2nd Oct 2019 21:00

Cheers India.

It certainly doesn't look that old.

This is though.....


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8bbb186972.jpg

India Four Two 3rd Oct 2019 03:48

Is this one of Sikorsky's aircraft?

dook 3rd Oct 2019 08:54

No I'm afraid. Most of his stuff were helicopters but this is fixed wing.

European.

Allan Lupton 3rd Oct 2019 10:42


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10585414)
No I'm afraid. Most of his stuff were helicopters
.

Not before 1942 I'd say. They made things like this:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4c0e926197.jpg



Cubs2jets 3rd Oct 2019 12:17

Abrams P1 Explorer

C2j

dook 3rd Oct 2019 12:23

Good morning Cubs.

This is a floatplane and I have already said it's European.

sycamore 3rd Oct 2019 12:32

French....?

dook 3rd Oct 2019 12:56

No Signore.

India Four Two 3rd Oct 2019 14:32



Not before 1942 I'd say. They made things like this.
I was thinking before 1917 when Sikorsky built things like this :)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4ae52346f.jpeg

sycamore 3rd Oct 2019 14:42

Single engine....?..Probably Italiano then....

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 14:51

It has a similar Panel layout and stick to a Breda Ba.15 ?

dook 3rd Oct 2019 15:17

There's a very good reason for that - it is the Breda Ba.15, in this case the Idro seaplane variant.

I wondered when you would appear. All yours TC. Nicely done. :)

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 16:15

Thanks dook, let's try this one!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....140be0d122.jpg

dook 3rd Oct 2019 16:51

Something about that says American. :uhoh:

Either one engine or none.

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 16:57


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10585728)
Something about that says American. :uhoh:

Either one engine or none.

Not American and one engine :)

dook 3rd Oct 2019 17:09

Possibly Gypsy engines on the one in the background.

British ?

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 17:17

Yes, it is British :ok:

However, the engine is American! :)

dook 3rd Oct 2019 18:33

Is that engine at the front or on a high wing ?

It seems to have no doors, but do they open upwards ?

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 19:00


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10585795)
Is that engine at the front or on a high wing ?

It seems to have no doors, but do they open upwards ?

Engine up front and doors open forward, I'll pan the view to show the engine and door with pocket :)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2a4f4cac5a.jpg

dook 3rd Oct 2019 19:08

I did think it's a prop blade top left in your original but wasn't sure.

I've spent a long time on F Archive to no avail.

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 19:17


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10585823)
I did think it's a prop blade top left in your original but wasn't sure.

I've spent a long time on F Archive to no avail.

Oh dear!! I thought I'd try a different source :E but it did come from a site that uses a lot of FA copy :)

India Four Two 3rd Oct 2019 19:32

That nose wheel looked very familiar. After a bit of searching, how about the Chryslea Super Ace?

On second thoughts, just the Ace?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....171d625b77.jpg

dook 3rd Oct 2019 19:46

Was this designed by J.H.Payne ?

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 19:56

Hi I-42


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10585843)
That nose wheel looked very familiar. After a bit of searching, how about the Chryslea Super Ace?

On second thoughts, just the Ace?

Yes, it is indeed the Lycoming powered prototype Chryslea CH-3 Ace !! Well found :D

I rather thought it might be the novel control wheels rather than the nosewheel that would be its undoing!

The system wasn't well received and they soon reverted to more conventional controls!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6ef78b1b8f.jpg

India Four Two has control :ok:

India Four Two 3rd Oct 2019 20:07

Thank you, Sinco.

Besides the novel control wheel, there was an issue with the fin and rudder, which I discovered during my research:


The large cabin, around which the aircraft had largely been designed, created turbulent airflow which tended to blanket the tail surfaces at low speeds. Test pilot Rex Stedman had considerable difficulty making turns during early flights.

Within three weeks of its first flight the Ace had been fitted with twin fins and rudders and the dihedral of the wings had been reduced.
Nothing immediately available so Open House

dook 3rd Oct 2019 20:09

I don't think I would have found that. :{

dook 3rd Oct 2019 20:12

Off topic.

Is this the original flying car ?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b52f8740c0.jpg

SincoTC 3rd Oct 2019 20:23


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10585855)
Was this designed by J.H.Payne ?

According to Wikipedia it was designed by R.C. Christoforides and it was in the FA, but not where I originally found it :)

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightP...20-%201596.PDF

dook 3rd Oct 2019 20:26

Smartass !...

India Four Two 3rd Oct 2019 20:27


I don't think I would have found that. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/boohoo.gif
I don't think I would have wanted to fly it! :eek:

dook 3rd Oct 2019 20:31

Weird wasn't it. No pilot would have designed that surely.

dook 3rd Oct 2019 21:04

I have a challenge ready but it's probably better to wait for someone else.


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