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sycamore 3rd Oct 2019 22:23

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b3eacc5f4e.jpg
For the late shift then;;got a few hours on this...

dook 4th Oct 2019 07:58

Look Mum - no stick.

RAF ?

Looking carefully, methinks it had a bombing capability.

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 09:40

Hmm, I'm thinking Grumman XTBF/TBF/TBM Avenger ??

dook 4th Oct 2019 09:51

Then sycamore is a lot older than the rest of us.

edit: I am now thinking you are correct.

How has he got a few hours on it ?

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 10:29

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....371225d5e7.jpg
SincoTC....head on headrest,left arm fully fwd holding 56" boost friction on,watch the `shooter,stick in middle,and WHOOOSH,you`re airborne...

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 10:49

I have the greatest admiration for the Naval aviators who flew Avengers ,as it is rock -hard stable as a bomber,but it has a rather short stick,because the bottom of the instrument panel has a `slide-out` nav table/plotter ,which is over the top of the stick,making the stick forces very heavy in pitch,so you have to use the trimmer,if you want to be `vigorous`,especially pointed downhill....but then the adrenaline would help....also need some power-on for a 3-pointer,otherwise you run out of elevator control...then it`s` messy`...This one had the same motor it came out of the shipyard in 1945 with,,,cruised at about 1500 ,counting the blades....

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 10:50


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10586257)
SincoTC....head on headrest,left arm fully fwd holding 56" boost friction on,watch the `shooter,stick in middle,and WHOOOSH,you`re airborne...

Thanks Sycamore! A good challenge and fun to track down! :ok: Those cylinders on the rudder pedals got me on the way :8

When did you fly one of these?

Working on a new Challenge will post ASAP

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 11:14

Flew it between `92-04,then it was sold in 06...belonged to a friend of mine,so I filled in if he couldn`t do an airshow....this was a recce` model ,had a stick in the centre cockpit,and seats in rear one...One was reported to have flown a rugby/football team to a game in the usa....

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 11:39


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10586281)
Flew it between `92-04,then it was sold in 06...belonged to a friend of mine,so I filled in if he couldn`t do an airshow....this was a recce` model ,had a stick in the centre cockpit,and seats in rear one...One was reported to have flown a rugby/football team to a game in the usa....

Brilliant thanks, great one to have in the log-book! :ok:

That sounds like a load of adrenaline filled fun! All done in the USA or did it get over here?

Re flying the football team (not by you), several flights I take it, or a crazy attempt at a Guinness World Record!! :ooh: :)

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 11:41

Here's the next cockpit, has been on an early WC, but not sure if this mark or image!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d50e79bce6.jpg

dook 4th Oct 2019 12:57

Artnoon TC.

Stirling ?

Source says it's a Mk3.

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 13:14

Artnoon dook.


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10586368)
Artnoon TC.

Stirling ?

Source says it's a Mk3.

It is indeed a Short Stirling Mk.III

You have control. Well done :ok:

dook 4th Oct 2019 13:30

Cheers TC.

Bookmarked a couple of good sites since this thread started again.

I feel this one might be easy....


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a51b537bd2.jpg

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 15:08

Miles Gemini......?

dook 4th Oct 2019 15:37

Arteenoon sycamore.

Not a Miles aeroplane.

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 18:19

how about Percival Q6....?

dook 4th Oct 2019 18:46

'fraid not.

Ahh......….you are in the right country though.

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 19:16

Similar timescale....Gipsy Queens...?...

Sinco..UK REG...came on a ship,now in Swtznd...I believe the football story was off a Carrier....

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 19:46

Evening dook,

Your cockpit took a bit of finding, but it seems to be a DH.90 Dragonfly for the Australian market?

dook 4th Oct 2019 19:49

Gypsy Majors.

First one 1936.

edit: that was for sycamore.

Totally overtaken by the Sinco chap.

Nicely done TC - all yours.

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 19:50


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10586639)
Sinco..UK REG...came on a ship,now in Swtznd...I believe the football story was off a Carrier....

Thank you Sycamore, from that I take it your relief airshow turns on the Avenger were in the UK.

Lucky man :ok:

dook 4th Oct 2019 19:52

TC ^^^^^^^

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 20:07

Thank you dook, sorry Sycamore! A very good challenge and still haven't got to the bottom on the control variation yet!, too busy in the kitchen!!

Just going to finish my evening meal and then I'll sort summat out for the night shift before turning in! Nite nite dook :ok:

dook 4th Oct 2019 20:15

I'm not going to bed yet !

SincoTC 4th Oct 2019 20:57


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10586712)
I'm not going to bed yet !

But you didn't know how long I was going to be getting my snout out of the trough and preparing the next challenge (and neither did I) :=

Here it is, note that like the seats, the radio isn't fitted yet :)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2381446552.jpg


dook 4th Oct 2019 21:16

I usually level off at some point during the news at ten.

Goodnight now - see you tomorrow.

sycamore 4th Oct 2019 23:52

I get a feeling it could be British; possibly something from a shed in Woodley...Miles Aerovan...??
I say that based on the cockpit layout,`knobs` all seem to be the same ,for multiple function,and rudder pedals from a church organ.....maybe even a cuckoo clock pops out of the centre panel... off to bed...

SincoTC 5th Oct 2019 03:28


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10586850)
I get a feeling it could be British; possibly something from a shed in Woodley...Miles Aerovan...??
I say that based on the cockpit layout,`knobs` all seem to be the same ,for multiple function,and rudder pedals from a church organ.....maybe even a cuckoo clock pops out of the centre panel... off to bed...

Not British and it’s a radio that goes into that plain panel 😊

Back to bed 😎💤

dook 5th Oct 2019 09:15

Good 'ole Deja Vu. :)

Beech C-45 Expeditor.

SincoTC 5th Oct 2019 09:28

Good Morning dook,


Originally Posted by dook (Post 10587055)
Good 'ole Deja Vu. :)

Beech C-45 Expeditor.

Oh dear, it looks like I'll have to look for another source!! :*

indeed it is the Beech C-45 Expeditor well found :ok:

You have control!

dook 5th Oct 2019 09:39

No - don't look for another source. :E

Wossa this one:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ff1d0b5313.png

SincoTC 5th Oct 2019 10:54

Flying-boat or landplane?

American?

Late thirties~early forties?

dook 5th Oct 2019 11:05

Landplane

American

Circa 1940

sycamore 5th Oct 2019 11:30

Hudson/Ventura...?

dook 5th Oct 2019 11:32

Correct manufacturer.

Self loading bear 5th Oct 2019 12:59

Lockheed C-40A
There are much slightly variations with 10-A 12-A
But I think 40-A is the best fit

SincoTC 5th Oct 2019 13:15

Hi dook,

I just found your image on Harold A Skaarup's Webpage and it's captioned Cockpit of Lockheed L-212 (Serial No. 7642)

dook 5th Oct 2019 13:18

Good shooting TC.

L-212 it is indeed.

However, I think Bear was so close, but TC hit it exactly.

TC has the thread.

SincoTC 5th Oct 2019 13:35

Thanks dook, sorry Bear,

Good challenge that took some digging out :ok: Try this one!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....269438228c.jpg

dook 5th Oct 2019 13:43

I think this one will take a lot of "digging out". :uhoh:

American 3-engined ?


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