Shuttleworth Displays - Feedback Required, Please
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Shuttleworth Displays - Feedback Required, Please
There's been some good positive feedback in other threads on this years Shuttleworth Displays. We all know that the place is fantastic and the shows are great, etc,et, but what we don't hear is what goes wrong. In another thread Damian B has given his thoughts on local advertising and signing - both unaceptable. Man-on-the-fence has commented on the clashes with Duxford.
What do you think?
Say what you want and criticise as much as you like, but if you do, please be constructive and suggest a solution.
If you don't come to Old Warden, then say why not - we'd like to know that, too.
Over to you........
Airbedane
What do you think?
Say what you want and criticise as much as you like, but if you do, please be constructive and suggest a solution.
If you don't come to Old Warden, then say why not - we'd like to know that, too.
Over to you........
Airbedane
1. Please can we have the Mew Gull back!
2. Please can we see the DH 88 fly again soon!
3. Please can we have less appearances by smoke belching flying billboards which try to turn themselves inside out (e.g Extras).
4. But above all, please can we see you back in the air again soon, mate! Hope things are going well!
2. Please can we see the DH 88 fly again soon!
3. Please can we have less appearances by smoke belching flying billboards which try to turn themselves inside out (e.g Extras).
4. But above all, please can we see you back in the air again soon, mate! Hope things are going well!
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Off the top of my head, can we please get the Mobile Phone Transmitter moved from the farm on the other side of the runway. A picture of an Historic Aircraft in a wonderful setting ruined by a 20th Century necessity.
Oh and more gingerbread please, it always goes by the time I get there
There will be more when I have had time to think.
Right I have had a thunk. Please bear in mind this is coming from a stanpoint of little or no knowledge of how to organise an airshow or how much things cost. Its also based on 4 visits in the latter half of the season.
I noticed on Sunday that the "other" catering outlet in the shed didnt open until well after the cafe, thus big queues for coffee at the cafe. When it did open there were queues building up just before the flying. Is a 3rd outlet required?
I could come up with a long list of visiting aircraft, however most probably wouldn't suit the ambiance, however it would be nice to see an Anson formation and what chance the other Maggie coming down from Yorkshire? It would be nice as well to see some Duxford based aircraft at OW instead of the other way around. Finally,the Blackburn B2 would fit in nicely. Oh and what about a Hunter (just once) I can see a theme coming SE5a, Pup, Triplane, Spit, Hurri, Hunter. All single seat british fighters. I quick word with BAE to get the Typhoon and bobs your uncle.
I for one dont have a problem with Denny, as long as his appearance fits into the Barnstorming theme of an event. And as you say the punters love him.
As I understand it SVAS membership doesn't grant any discounts towards the other attractions at OW, Mrs Fence may be tempted to join if it gave her a discount of entry to the Falconry centre as well.
Advertising has already been mentioned, but for those who dont want to join the SVAS what about a loyalty scheme? Say attend 3 events get the 4 one free/half price or discount in the shop.
I cant think of anything else. The two key words here are Aerial and Gingerbread
Oh and more gingerbread please, it always goes by the time I get there
There will be more when I have had time to think.
Right I have had a thunk. Please bear in mind this is coming from a stanpoint of little or no knowledge of how to organise an airshow or how much things cost. Its also based on 4 visits in the latter half of the season.
I noticed on Sunday that the "other" catering outlet in the shed didnt open until well after the cafe, thus big queues for coffee at the cafe. When it did open there were queues building up just before the flying. Is a 3rd outlet required?
I could come up with a long list of visiting aircraft, however most probably wouldn't suit the ambiance, however it would be nice to see an Anson formation and what chance the other Maggie coming down from Yorkshire? It would be nice as well to see some Duxford based aircraft at OW instead of the other way around. Finally,the Blackburn B2 would fit in nicely. Oh and what about a Hunter (just once) I can see a theme coming SE5a, Pup, Triplane, Spit, Hurri, Hunter. All single seat british fighters. I quick word with BAE to get the Typhoon and bobs your uncle.
I for one dont have a problem with Denny, as long as his appearance fits into the Barnstorming theme of an event. And as you say the punters love him.
As I understand it SVAS membership doesn't grant any discounts towards the other attractions at OW, Mrs Fence may be tempted to join if it gave her a discount of entry to the Falconry centre as well.
Advertising has already been mentioned, but for those who dont want to join the SVAS what about a loyalty scheme? Say attend 3 events get the 4 one free/half price or discount in the shop.
I cant think of anything else. The two key words here are Aerial and Gingerbread
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A,
Here's my 2p worth.
1. Change the dates so it doesn't clash with Duxford events - You'll get more Cambridge locals visiting, and you may be able to swap aircraft with the IWM/TFC/OFMC/ARCO etc!
2. I agree with Beags. The Extra doesnt really fit, just as it wouldn't fit in at the RAF Musuem etc etc. Leave the high performance aircraft for a dedicated 'High Performance' event? The Yakovlevs are OK though, more relaxed aerobatics. Most people who go to Old Warden want to see old aeroplanes, not Carbon Fibre advertising hoardings.
3. Get a decent full time commentator. Jeremy Spake was awful!!! He kept ranting on & on about the Lysander. Can we expect Dale Winton for the 2004 season?
4. There are lots of other aircraft out there to choose from - The Real Aeroplane Company's Aeronca C3 & Ryan, Vic Norman's Curtiss Jenny, The Tiger Club Turbulent Team etc etc...Probably even a Zlin 526 if you look hard enough. All good entertaining flying.
Other than that, its an excellent day out. Well done to you and the guys (and girls) who make it happen, and to MOTF and Damien B for recording it on film (or disc?).
"If it aint broke, dont fix it"
zzz
Here's my 2p worth.
1. Change the dates so it doesn't clash with Duxford events - You'll get more Cambridge locals visiting, and you may be able to swap aircraft with the IWM/TFC/OFMC/ARCO etc!
2. I agree with Beags. The Extra doesnt really fit, just as it wouldn't fit in at the RAF Musuem etc etc. Leave the high performance aircraft for a dedicated 'High Performance' event? The Yakovlevs are OK though, more relaxed aerobatics. Most people who go to Old Warden want to see old aeroplanes, not Carbon Fibre advertising hoardings.
3. Get a decent full time commentator. Jeremy Spake was awful!!! He kept ranting on & on about the Lysander. Can we expect Dale Winton for the 2004 season?
4. There are lots of other aircraft out there to choose from - The Real Aeroplane Company's Aeronca C3 & Ryan, Vic Norman's Curtiss Jenny, The Tiger Club Turbulent Team etc etc...Probably even a Zlin 526 if you look hard enough. All good entertaining flying.
Other than that, its an excellent day out. Well done to you and the guys (and girls) who make it happen, and to MOTF and Damien B for recording it on film (or disc?).
"If it aint broke, dont fix it"
zzz
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I belong to a local car club and I drag the members along each year to one of the Evening events. As they are CAR enthusiasts they tend to go for the flying with a "wow" factor which means the exteme aerobatics and the Spitfire. The Boxkite always gets a thumbs-up as well.
I agree with other comments that you need to co-ordinate with Duxford and Little Gransden on show dates. There is a limit to an enthusiasts budget and entrance fees never go down.
I agree with other comments that you need to co-ordinate with Duxford and Little Gransden on show dates. There is a limit to an enthusiasts budget and entrance fees never go down.
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Well there's nothing really broken it has to be said!
However...
1. I say let's have more barnstorming - Chipmunk/Tiger/Extra, whatever. Adds a good bit of fun to the display. It's clearly popular with the crowd - the only overall round of applause I heard at this last show was for Denny for instance. Plus the kids love it - get the kids hooked and they'll be coming with their kids a few years down the line...
2. Harvards, there's piles of em around and they must surely be cheaper to book than warbirds? I've seen some cracking displays from them over the years but you see so little of them these days.
3. For the small jets (and I think the JP and Gnat are a great addition), how about a Vampire? Particularly thinking of a nice shiny silver one to go along with the RAF trainers theme.
4. More toilets - especially at the Proms when we're all knocking back grog!
And from the purely selfish photographer-after-a-perfect-piccy viewpoint:
1. Get a Stuka. And bomb that damn aerial mast with it. Take out the Sandy mast while you're at it!
2. Put the dayglo panels marking the display line flat on the ground rather than facing the crowd.
3. Build a second tower for photogs to stand on.
4. Move the speaker poles behind the crowdline.
5. Require each display act to to do a topside pass nice and low so you can get the trees in the background!
However...
1. I say let's have more barnstorming - Chipmunk/Tiger/Extra, whatever. Adds a good bit of fun to the display. It's clearly popular with the crowd - the only overall round of applause I heard at this last show was for Denny for instance. Plus the kids love it - get the kids hooked and they'll be coming with their kids a few years down the line...
2. Harvards, there's piles of em around and they must surely be cheaper to book than warbirds? I've seen some cracking displays from them over the years but you see so little of them these days.
3. For the small jets (and I think the JP and Gnat are a great addition), how about a Vampire? Particularly thinking of a nice shiny silver one to go along with the RAF trainers theme.
4. More toilets - especially at the Proms when we're all knocking back grog!
And from the purely selfish photographer-after-a-perfect-piccy viewpoint:
1. Get a Stuka. And bomb that damn aerial mast with it. Take out the Sandy mast while you're at it!
2. Put the dayglo panels marking the display line flat on the ground rather than facing the crowd.
3. Build a second tower for photogs to stand on.
4. Move the speaker poles behind the crowdline.
5. Require each display act to to do a topside pass nice and low so you can get the trees in the background!
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I've no complaints at all from the evening I wen there last year...
Except... No Cider at the bar! As I recall - possbily erroneously! - pints were all lager, but that may have changed. might be something worth looking at, if there are no real ales on, perhaps a well-known Kent Brewer might like to supply the bar with its well known aeroplane themed brand! (And definitely cider for this drunken westcountryman!)
Re Damien's barnstorming suggestion, I've always been partial to Crazy Flying, though I do realise its broken a few aeroplanes over the years! Fortunately not people... But Old Rhinebeck have done it for forty years and, so far as I know, have never bent so much as an axle... In the UK, the name O'Brien pops into my head...!
But keep up the good work, the displays are simply superb: I will be back next year, I promise, and I wil join SVAS.
Except... No Cider at the bar! As I recall - possbily erroneously! - pints were all lager, but that may have changed. might be something worth looking at, if there are no real ales on, perhaps a well-known Kent Brewer might like to supply the bar with its well known aeroplane themed brand! (And definitely cider for this drunken westcountryman!)
Re Damien's barnstorming suggestion, I've always been partial to Crazy Flying, though I do realise its broken a few aeroplanes over the years! Fortunately not people... But Old Rhinebeck have done it for forty years and, so far as I know, have never bent so much as an axle... In the UK, the name O'Brien pops into my head...!
But keep up the good work, the displays are simply superb: I will be back next year, I promise, and I wil join SVAS.
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Another well kept secret SSD - 30 quid for a room in the Shuttleworth mansion itself!
http://www.shuttleworthcollection.co...ommodation.htm
(Airbedane - that could do with a more prominent link on the website - perhaps an accomodation button on the front page).
http://www.shuttleworthcollection.co...ommodation.htm
(Airbedane - that could do with a more prominent link on the website - perhaps an accomodation button on the front page).
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Copied from the Flypast forum this post entitled Copy of an Email to Old warden
Oh and the loos are becoming an issue as well
"I greatly enjoyed the last airshow of the season but unfortunately, the catering provided really does not match the rest of the event. The restaurant is really only designed for non-airshow days and this is only supported by 2 staff in a shed equipped with one hot plate, selling a "choice" of burger (with onions if they have not run out), hot dog or bacon roll.(all over priced for what they are)(nothing for vegetarians)
A venue with the history and class of Old Warden really should be able to do much better and I am sure that you are turning away potential revenue by offering such a poor range and service, can I look forward to something more appealing next season?"
A venue with the history and class of Old Warden really should be able to do much better and I am sure that you are turning away potential revenue by offering such a poor range and service, can I look forward to something more appealing next season?"
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Only two shows this year (Flying Proms included). Absolutely fantastic both times.
I wish there were more Saturday shows as I cannot attend any Sunday shows.
It would be nice to see more visiting types at OW. Duxford returning favours would be nice. Also more old helicopters would add interest. Would be nice if at a couple of shows a year (so as not to destroy the ambience at the rest) the RAF, RN could display a modern Jet to put the older planes into some kind of perspective.
I would suggest that a member of the Shuttleworth team could do a quick tour of the vicinity of the Airfield to gather donations from the countless people who freeload outside the fence. Probably turn up one hundred quid.
An advertising board alongside the A1 might achieve greater visitor numbers. A small sign near the entrance giving a date of next show would be useful as well.
Lastly, I think PPRuNe people should display PPRuNe badges, hats, flags, etc so that location of fellow PPruNers is easier. Perhaps a PPRuNe flag attached to one of the sound poles might act as a point of contact.
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I wish there were more Saturday shows as I cannot attend any Sunday shows.
It would be nice to see more visiting types at OW. Duxford returning favours would be nice. Also more old helicopters would add interest. Would be nice if at a couple of shows a year (so as not to destroy the ambience at the rest) the RAF, RN could display a modern Jet to put the older planes into some kind of perspective.
I would suggest that a member of the Shuttleworth team could do a quick tour of the vicinity of the Airfield to gather donations from the countless people who freeload outside the fence. Probably turn up one hundred quid.
An advertising board alongside the A1 might achieve greater visitor numbers. A small sign near the entrance giving a date of next show would be useful as well.
Lastly, I think PPRuNe people should display PPRuNe badges, hats, flags, etc so that location of fellow PPruNers is easier. Perhaps a PPRuNe flag attached to one of the sound poles might act as a point of contact.
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Have to admit I bring a picnic (albeit ever weirder combinations of foodstuffs) as the price for a burger is a bit steep especially given the length of the queue.
Little Gransden do quite well with a BBQ manned by loadsa volunteers, prices not too steep either. Thinks... as the Mildenhall show looks like it's never on any more, how about inviting some of the squadrons there to bring along their BBQ gear, burgers, 'wet sauce' etc. You'd probably double the crowd with this alone and the Yanks would probably go crazy about an Olde English venue like OW. Just for the May show perhaps... and if they want to chuck in an MH-53 or F-15, well so be it
DeepC - perhaps you could hold the bucket for donations while Hairyplane provides the intimidation, famous as he is for freeloader-squashing expeditions?
Little Gransden do quite well with a BBQ manned by loadsa volunteers, prices not too steep either. Thinks... as the Mildenhall show looks like it's never on any more, how about inviting some of the squadrons there to bring along their BBQ gear, burgers, 'wet sauce' etc. You'd probably double the crowd with this alone and the Yanks would probably go crazy about an Olde English venue like OW. Just for the May show perhaps... and if they want to chuck in an MH-53 or F-15, well so be it
DeepC - perhaps you could hold the bucket for donations while Hairyplane provides the intimidation, famous as he is for freeloader-squashing expeditions?
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I agree with many of the above posts.
My main disappointment in the past few years (other than the Spitfires wingtips - is there an explantion for their growth...) has been the commentary (please tell me that Zlin526 was joking about Jeremy Spake), and OW would benefit from a really decent commentator who know's their stuff, and can throw in the odd random story now and then...
Secondly, the crowd on the end of the runway really does need to be moved on (towards the gate? - there's an extra couple of hundred quid there).
I must also say, although i'm not the worlds' biggest Extra 300 fan, Denny Dobson must keep displaying, he deserves the booking...
Charlie
My main disappointment in the past few years (other than the Spitfires wingtips - is there an explantion for their growth...) has been the commentary (please tell me that Zlin526 was joking about Jeremy Spake), and OW would benefit from a really decent commentator who know's their stuff, and can throw in the odd random story now and then...
Secondly, the crowd on the end of the runway really does need to be moved on (towards the gate? - there's an extra couple of hundred quid there).
I must also say, although i'm not the worlds' biggest Extra 300 fan, Denny Dobson must keep displaying, he deserves the booking...
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Thanks for the replies so far – only a day on the net and lots of useful comment. Many, many thanks to all who have contributed, do keep it up, please.
Here’s a few thoughts:
Beags:
- Thanks for the kind words, we’re getting there slowly.
- Mew Gull – I’d like it back too – maybe one day.
- Comet – we plan to fly it early in 200. We’ve decided to level the runway first, just in case, and work on that will start at the end of next season, 2004. To help the process, there’ll be no show next October and the September evening show will be a week early. The airfield will then close for the winter.
- Extra’s etc – I get the feeling that you don’t like ‘em…………I can sympathise, but families and kids do and the youngsters are where we need to target to secure the future.
MOTF:
- The aerial - it’s not a mobile phone device, but it will be removed soon.
- Food and Booze – I’ll pass that on
- Display content – I’ll pass that on, too, but bear in mind that we have to buy-in acts with a limited budget and the big jets produce a local area noise problem, RAF aircraft incur a large cost for support personnel. None of the above are insurmountable, but they all go in the equation.
- SVAS - there were other concessions for the SVAS this year, but you are quite right when you say it didn’t include the Falconry. I’ll pass the comment on, but remember that joining benefits the Collection and shouldn’t be done just for the concessions…..
- Loyalty Scheme – good idea, we’ll look into it.
Z526:
- Duxford – in the late 80’s Old Warden shows were held on the last Sunday of the month, so were Duxford’s. We moved to the first Sunday of the month in 1990, I think. So did Duxford.
- Extra – see above
- Commentator – always an emotional subject. Remember that the main job of the Commentator is to control the crowd in the even of need. The rest is a bonus. For every complaint about Jeremy, we’ve had ten of praise. We’ll certainly listen to comments on commentators, but we can’t please everyone.
- Aircraft – see above, comments and suggestions welcome
OzP:
- Duxford – see above
DB:
- Barnstorming – thanks, I’ll pass it on
- Harvard’s – good point, but Harvard’s are expensive as they fly slowly and take a long time to get to their destination.
- Other aircraft – I’ll pass that on
- Toilets – I agree, I’ll pass that on, too
- Mast – see above
- Panels point taken, but they’re airfield boundary markers and must stay if we wish to license the airfield
- Photog tower and top-side pass – If you move back off the crowd line, you’ll get a higher viewpoint, and you’ll see more of the top surface due to the increased range from the target.
- Speakers – again, here to stay, I’m afraid
T’graph:
- Booze – see above
- Crazy flying – Good idea, thanks, I’ll pass that on.
SSD:
- Accom – thanks for the answer DB
MOTF:
- Restaurant – I’ll pass that on.
DC:
- Saturday shows – is five not enough, six including the Proms?
- Visiting acts – see above
- Freeloaders – Hairyplane and the Collection are working on it, you may have noticed there were less this year – it’s becoming a major problem at all airshows. (How about a comment, Hairyplane, as I know you have strong feelings here?)
- Advertising – good point, and we’re working on it.
- PPRuNe rendez-vous – good idea, is anyone out there prepared to organise it? We can also put a call out on the PA if you wish.
DB:
- An American BBQ – “Big Homer Simpson Drool………” We banned BBQ’s some years ago due to the fire risk, but it may be worth a re-look.
HotC:
- Spitfire – the tips were put on when Disney offered us a deal we couldn’t refuse to fly in their Pearl Harbour film. I’ve left ‘em on, with opposition from all the pilot’s, as the aircraft looks better like that for the family audience – it’s more of a classic Spitfire. It was worth keeping it clipped when we were the only one, but as there are so many others on the circuit now, I felt we could leave the tips as is. However, we can remove them for a season or two if that’s what everyone wants – comments please.
- Commentary – see above, but please give me more info, and I’ll pass it on to the commentary team.
- Freeloaders – see above
- Extra – again, see above.
Well, that’s all for now folks. Again, many thanks for the comments, I’ll pass those on to the relevant areas that I’ve noted above, and get back to you with anything further. I hope the other replies have helped,
Airbedane
Here’s a few thoughts:
Beags:
- Thanks for the kind words, we’re getting there slowly.
- Mew Gull – I’d like it back too – maybe one day.
- Comet – we plan to fly it early in 200. We’ve decided to level the runway first, just in case, and work on that will start at the end of next season, 2004. To help the process, there’ll be no show next October and the September evening show will be a week early. The airfield will then close for the winter.
- Extra’s etc – I get the feeling that you don’t like ‘em…………I can sympathise, but families and kids do and the youngsters are where we need to target to secure the future.
MOTF:
- The aerial - it’s not a mobile phone device, but it will be removed soon.
- Food and Booze – I’ll pass that on
- Display content – I’ll pass that on, too, but bear in mind that we have to buy-in acts with a limited budget and the big jets produce a local area noise problem, RAF aircraft incur a large cost for support personnel. None of the above are insurmountable, but they all go in the equation.
- SVAS - there were other concessions for the SVAS this year, but you are quite right when you say it didn’t include the Falconry. I’ll pass the comment on, but remember that joining benefits the Collection and shouldn’t be done just for the concessions…..
- Loyalty Scheme – good idea, we’ll look into it.
Z526:
- Duxford – in the late 80’s Old Warden shows were held on the last Sunday of the month, so were Duxford’s. We moved to the first Sunday of the month in 1990, I think. So did Duxford.
- Extra – see above
- Commentator – always an emotional subject. Remember that the main job of the Commentator is to control the crowd in the even of need. The rest is a bonus. For every complaint about Jeremy, we’ve had ten of praise. We’ll certainly listen to comments on commentators, but we can’t please everyone.
- Aircraft – see above, comments and suggestions welcome
OzP:
- Duxford – see above
DB:
- Barnstorming – thanks, I’ll pass it on
- Harvard’s – good point, but Harvard’s are expensive as they fly slowly and take a long time to get to their destination.
- Other aircraft – I’ll pass that on
- Toilets – I agree, I’ll pass that on, too
- Mast – see above
- Panels point taken, but they’re airfield boundary markers and must stay if we wish to license the airfield
- Photog tower and top-side pass – If you move back off the crowd line, you’ll get a higher viewpoint, and you’ll see more of the top surface due to the increased range from the target.
- Speakers – again, here to stay, I’m afraid
T’graph:
- Booze – see above
- Crazy flying – Good idea, thanks, I’ll pass that on.
SSD:
- Accom – thanks for the answer DB
MOTF:
- Restaurant – I’ll pass that on.
DC:
- Saturday shows – is five not enough, six including the Proms?
- Visiting acts – see above
- Freeloaders – Hairyplane and the Collection are working on it, you may have noticed there were less this year – it’s becoming a major problem at all airshows. (How about a comment, Hairyplane, as I know you have strong feelings here?)
- Advertising – good point, and we’re working on it.
- PPRuNe rendez-vous – good idea, is anyone out there prepared to organise it? We can also put a call out on the PA if you wish.
DB:
- An American BBQ – “Big Homer Simpson Drool………” We banned BBQ’s some years ago due to the fire risk, but it may be worth a re-look.
HotC:
- Spitfire – the tips were put on when Disney offered us a deal we couldn’t refuse to fly in their Pearl Harbour film. I’ve left ‘em on, with opposition from all the pilot’s, as the aircraft looks better like that for the family audience – it’s more of a classic Spitfire. It was worth keeping it clipped when we were the only one, but as there are so many others on the circuit now, I felt we could leave the tips as is. However, we can remove them for a season or two if that’s what everyone wants – comments please.
- Commentary – see above, but please give me more info, and I’ll pass it on to the commentary team.
- Freeloaders – see above
- Extra – again, see above.
Well, that’s all for now folks. Again, many thanks for the comments, I’ll pass those on to the relevant areas that I’ve noted above, and get back to you with anything further. I hope the other replies have helped,
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Thanks for the reply. I quick couple of comments
Aerial - Wonderful thanks.
Display Content - I fully understand, thats why I didnt ask for the whole of TFC to drop in Variety is nice but the based arcraft alone make the journey worthwhile.
SVAS - I agree that you shouldnt join for the concessions, however if the concessions mean the difference between dad and the whole family joining then that has to be a good thing.
Thanks for taking the time to ask
Thanks for the reply. I quick couple of comments
Aerial - Wonderful thanks.
Display Content - I fully understand, thats why I didnt ask for the whole of TFC to drop in
Variety is nice but the based arcraft alone make the journey worthwhile.SVAS - I agree that you shouldnt join for the concessions, however if the concessions mean the difference between dad and the whole family joining then that has to be a good thing.
Thanks for taking the time to ask
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Repaint the Gladiator back in RAF markings!!!!!
Its already the basic colour!! (Though thought it was luvverly in camo!)
I'd like to see the Spit with clipped wings again - I am a true believer in Shuttleworth's 100% accuracy in its restorations,and after all, it is a VC!
Theres little to improve in the setting of the place and I don't think an elevated position would improve photography - its unique in having displays tailored to bank past the crowd -superb!
( Be nice to ask thse BBMF to perform a gentle bank around the bend - nothing too strenuous!) Any tower would then restrict other peoples view behind it.
Denny and the like as well as fast jets are all part of aviations rich taperstry which is surely what Shuttleworth's all about - the preservation and celebration of aviation in all its aspects! I recall that a Harrier always looks good here operating off the grass - nice 'n close!
How about some foreign historics ?? The flamant looked great a few years ago and why oh why did the Fury have to go back to Belgium??When I saw that in the hangar the other year I thought YES!!- A Cygnet,Hind,Fury, Hurricane, Hunter and Harrier "Camm" flypast could be arranged
well, at least with the Hind!
The French B17,Noratlas,Noralpha, Paris, a Swiss Hunter or 2, Belgian Viima, Dutch Beaver, Swedish Tunnan & Saab B17, German Bf108/9, Casa 352 etc I know cost is an issue but for variety, cant be beaten.
Talking of variety how about a change in the visitors? i.e. The Avenger & Scout were both at the last 2 shows- nice as they are it does influence visits by people who have "seen it all before", especially if there is a distance to travel.
Otherwise keep up the great work - pleased to hear about the Comet, but still smarting a little over the LVG having to go!!
Its already the basic colour!! (Though thought it was luvverly in camo!)
I'd like to see the Spit with clipped wings again - I am a true believer in Shuttleworth's 100% accuracy in its restorations,and after all, it is a VC!
Theres little to improve in the setting of the place and I don't think an elevated position would improve photography - its unique in having displays tailored to bank past the crowd -superb!
( Be nice to ask thse BBMF to perform a gentle bank around the bend - nothing too strenuous!) Any tower would then restrict other peoples view behind it.
Denny and the like as well as fast jets are all part of aviations rich taperstry which is surely what Shuttleworth's all about - the preservation and celebration of aviation in all its aspects! I recall that a Harrier always looks good here operating off the grass - nice 'n close!
How about some foreign historics ?? The flamant looked great a few years ago and why oh why did the Fury have to go back to Belgium??When I saw that in the hangar the other year I thought YES!!- A Cygnet,Hind,Fury, Hurricane, Hunter and Harrier "Camm" flypast could be arranged
well, at least with the Hind!
The French B17,Noratlas,Noralpha, Paris, a Swiss Hunter or 2, Belgian Viima, Dutch Beaver, Swedish Tunnan & Saab B17, German Bf108/9, Casa 352 etc I know cost is an issue but for variety, cant be beaten.
Talking of variety how about a change in the visitors? i.e. The Avenger & Scout were both at the last 2 shows- nice as they are it does influence visits by people who have "seen it all before", especially if there is a distance to travel.
Otherwise keep up the great work - pleased to hear about the Comet, but still smarting a little over the LVG having to go!!
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Please don't have Barnstorming and crazy flying at Old Warden.
Its only my personel opinion but to me that's not what Old Warden is about.
Old Warden is a special venue where historic aircraft are displayed beautifully and I think it would start to lose its unique atmosphere if these type of acts were brought in.
I would much rather see something like the Hind fly twice than see barnstorming or crazy flying.
Its only my personel opinion but to me that's not what Old Warden is about.
Old Warden is a special venue where historic aircraft are displayed beautifully and I think it would start to lose its unique atmosphere if these type of acts were brought in.
I would much rather see something like the Hind fly twice than see barnstorming or crazy flying.
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As DB said, not a lot broke, really
Catering - could be better (but I usually bring a picnic)
Visiting acts - more variety would be nice, as I go to several shows in a year. Harvard, Yak-11 (mmmmm, nice), Jenny (would LOVE to see that at OW), An-2, Jungmeister, Rapide, Dragonfly, Dragon, 3 Maggies together. Some types in the spirit of OW, which probably wouldn't cost the earth. 'Heavy Metal' warbirds, like we used to see a lot more of 5-10years ago, very nice, but 1) expensive and 2) we can go to Duxford for those.
Spitfire wingtips - I can see the attraction of keeping them on to provide the classic eliptical shape for the casual punter, so no strong feelings on that one.
More advertising - agree strongly (but not too much - don't want OW losing its unique casual atmosphere due to overcrowding!)
Harriers - always used to have them once or twice a year, don't seem to nowadays. Always good for bringing in the visiting familes.
Nice to see some variety in the based aircraft, such as the Po-2 - when is it planned to fly in the UK?
Good news about the mast (yuk) and the Comet (mmmmm)
Shame about the LVG going - just as a matter of interest, what was the reason for Sunday's cancellation? It seemed to be on fine fettle when ground-run before the display.
Keep up the good work!
As DB said, not a lot broke, really
Catering - could be better (but I usually bring a picnic)
Visiting acts - more variety would be nice, as I go to several shows in a year. Harvard, Yak-11 (mmmmm, nice), Jenny (would LOVE to see that at OW), An-2, Jungmeister, Rapide, Dragonfly, Dragon, 3 Maggies together. Some types in the spirit of OW, which probably wouldn't cost the earth. 'Heavy Metal' warbirds, like we used to see a lot more of 5-10years ago, very nice, but 1) expensive and 2) we can go to Duxford for those.
Spitfire wingtips - I can see the attraction of keeping them on to provide the classic eliptical shape for the casual punter, so no strong feelings on that one.
More advertising - agree strongly (but not too much - don't want OW losing its unique casual atmosphere due to overcrowding!)
Harriers - always used to have them once or twice a year, don't seem to nowadays. Always good for bringing in the visiting familes.
Nice to see some variety in the based aircraft, such as the Po-2 - when is it planned to fly in the UK?
Good news about the mast (yuk) and the Comet (mmmmm)
Shame about the LVG going - just as a matter of interest, what was the reason for Sunday's cancellation? It seemed to be on fine fettle when ground-run before the display.
Keep up the good work!
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Airbedane.
With the loss of the LVG to Hendon has the collection any plans to purchase a WW1 German aircraft. I know the collection would ideally like an original airframe, although availiability and price would be a major problem.
Alternatively would it be possible to have someone like AJD or even the Memorial flight @ Le Bourget in France build a replica around an original engine. I know it all comes down to money, but without the LVG the WW1 scenarios are going to see rather one sided.
I know the replica issue is always an emotional subject, but you do already have the Boxkite and Avro Triplane.
It was a great shame that the Mew and Active left Old Warden, was the price just too high or were they outside the collection's purchasing criteria.
The Lysander was an excellent purchase, a great performer that fits in perfectly with the Hurri-Spit-Glad. I'm not so sure about the plan to collect RAF trainers though. Still too many in private hands.
Has the collection considered Dick Meltons Walrus project that is up for sale.
One last point, would it be possible to have a section in each display programme showing an individual photo of all the pilots, all too often the commentator forgets to mention pilot. They cant all be shy!
With the loss of the LVG to Hendon has the collection any plans to purchase a WW1 German aircraft. I know the collection would ideally like an original airframe, although availiability and price would be a major problem.
Alternatively would it be possible to have someone like AJD or even the Memorial flight @ Le Bourget in France build a replica around an original engine. I know it all comes down to money, but without the LVG the WW1 scenarios are going to see rather one sided.
I know the replica issue is always an emotional subject, but you do already have the Boxkite and Avro Triplane.
It was a great shame that the Mew and Active left Old Warden, was the price just too high or were they outside the collection's purchasing criteria.
The Lysander was an excellent purchase, a great performer that fits in perfectly with the Hurri-Spit-Glad. I'm not so sure about the plan to collect RAF trainers though. Still too many in private hands.
Has the collection considered Dick Meltons Walrus project that is up for sale.
One last point, would it be possible to have a section in each display programme showing an individual photo of all the pilots, all too often the commentator forgets to mention pilot. They cant all be shy!