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777Nine 18th Jan 2021 05:02


Originally Posted by Vag277 (Post 10969980)
The arrogance and ignorance of some is sad. GST breakdown state by state 2018-19 State GST share per dollar of Total GST distribution $m VIC 98c $16,830M WA 47c $3,255M NSW 85c $18,030M SA $1.47 $6,751 M
and here for how much WA supports the rest of the country: https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/defaul...ry-2018-19.pdf for balance of payments data.

WA earns 36% of Australian export income but only spends 11% of the import expenditure. About half the exports go to China.. WA would potentially be better off alone. In 1933 the population voted overwhelmingly to secede. With respect to names, only WA and SA are named as part of Australia. The other mainland states seem to cling to the motherland!

I hope that happens and then they can shut their borders off for good. Oh and they can take Clive Palmer as well :)

neville_nobody 18th Jan 2021 05:25


WA would potentially be better off alone. In 1933 the population voted overwhelmingly to secede. With respect to names, only WA and SA are named as part of Australia. The other mainland states seem to cling to the motherland!
So how do feel about conscription for all WA children?

Seceding would be the biggest own goal in the history of the world.

currawong 18th Jan 2021 05:34


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10970129)
That was actually made so about 20 years BEFORE the 1918 flu:

51. Legislative powers of the Parliament

The (Federal) Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:

(ix) quarantine;

Yes and no.:)

"Under section 51(ix) of the Constitution, the Commonwealth has power over the states regarding quarantine. Where state and Commonwealth laws are inconsistent, the Commonwealth law prevails.(10) However, this principle proved less clear-cut than its drafters probably intended"

"Before an amendment to the Act in 1912 the Commonwealth did not have the power to act in response to a number of diseases, such as a measles epidemic aboard a ship. The states had the power, but no resources, to take quarantine measures"

"In 1920 the Act was amended to address these constitutional and administrative problems. Section 2A(3) was inserted to give the Commonwealth power to override state legislation by proclamation in an emergency."

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam.../rp0405/05rp03




Ragnor 18th Jan 2021 06:26

Iím not a lawyer, does that mean the commonwealth can override the states, but choose not to?

Lookleft 18th Jan 2021 06:54

Have a look at the link Ragnor. It does not override the States ability to close its borders and apply restriction in response to a public health threat. It does explain why the States have no authority over which vaccines are selected and how it is distributed as an example.

Transition Layer 18th Jan 2021 07:00


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10970187)
It does explain why the States have no authority over which vaccines are selected and how it is distributed as an example.

Someone better tell McClown and his offsider Cook. He thinks he can call the shots on that too. Maybe he should pay for it then!

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....13-p56tsv.html

dr dre 18th Jan 2021 07:24


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 10970189)
Someone better tell McClown and his offsider Cook. He thinks he can call the shots on that too. Maybe he should pay for it then!

Actually no, the federal government selected and bought the vaccine supply and distributed to the states proportioned by population who are responsible for health.

So according to all applicable legislation, division of powers and the National Covid Vaccine Policy once the WA government get the vaccine they are the ones calling the shots in regards to locations, staff, etc.

And having at look at their plans itís no different from any other state in terms of priority.

I realise you donít like the WA Governmentís border approach but you donít have to blow a gasket every time theyíre mentioned in the press, otherwise youíre going to have an unhappy life.

Bodie1 18th Jan 2021 08:00

dr dre, are you in hotel isolation? Have you been there for 10 months?

Transition Layer 18th Jan 2021 08:00


I realise you donít like the WA Governmentís border approach but you donít have to blow a gasket every time theyíre mentioned in the press, otherwise youíre going to have an unhappy life.
Youíre dead right. McGowan will probably ride this popularity ground swell forever and Iím going to have to live with his smug face on TV for the rest of my unhappy life!

Please make it stop! :hmm:

WingNut60 18th Jan 2021 08:30


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10970221)
You muppet, you do realise there's another way or two to Europe? I bet you drive a HSV ute right?

Not if you aspire to non-stop, there isn't.

And I bet you drive a Hyundai Ioniq, right?
Or perhaps, don't have a licence yet?

Bodie1 18th Jan 2021 08:52


Not if you aspire to non-stop, there isn't.
I'd make 5 stops to bypass your bogan mecca.

Nissan Navarra, although, the k's I'm doing at the moment an i30 would do me nicely, made from steel mined from your cesspit.

currawong 18th Jan 2021 09:49

Mystery to me why people that harbour such a dislike for any particular locality are so concerned when they cannot go there....

:rolleyes:

WingNut60 18th Jan 2021 14:52


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10970288)
mystery to me why people that harbour such a dislike for any particular locality are so concerned when they cannot go there....

:rolleyes:

👍👍👍 .

WingNut60 18th Jan 2021 14:55


Treasurer Josh Frydenberg rules out making changes to unwind GST deal with WA


Looks like Beryl lost another round

Fonz121 18th Jan 2021 19:56

With the treasurer saying jobkeeper won’t be extended, what assistance can those of us who are employed but not getting a wage expect to receive?

I assume we won’t be eligible for Jobseeker due to the fact that we apparently have jobs. Is there anything at all we’ll be able to access (genuine question)?

Its pretty poor form from the LNP. If you haven’t already, may I suggest a quick email to your local federal member.



galdian 18th Jan 2021 22:27


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10970288)
Mystery to me why people that harbour such a dislike for any particular locality are so concerned when they cannot go there....

:rolleyes:

It's not that, I'm trying to look at how individual leaders have done things rather than political labelling, as the whole CV19 is a moving target personally I think some have handled it better than others.

NSW and Vic having screwed up at the start have both been forced to develop reasonable contract tracing to deal with inevitable outbreaks when people start moving around.

McGowan has preached eradication, if they have instituted contract tracing it's unclear to what extent and it's never been tested in anger, ongoing response is to hide under the bedcovers and operate as a hostage state.

I can see how I'd be looking to come into the state election campaign as opposition - "if you never want to see your east coast grandkiddies ever again that's your choice vote McGowan, if you think that's not really the way to live life better think of the other bloke".
Nuanced of course and local issues to ask about the future/past failures raised ie standard political stuff but do NOT not allow the messiahic "I saved you you must vote for me" crap that Queen P was allowed to run with unhindered by a piss weak clueless opposition in QLD.

dr dre 18th Jan 2021 23:05


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 10970755)
I can see how I'd be looking to come into the state election campaign as opposition - "if you never want to see your east coast grandkiddies ever again that's your choice vote McGowan, if you think that's not really the way to live life better think of the other bloke"

Actually the ďother blokeĒ (opposition leader Zak Kirkup) is in agreement now with McGowan on border closures. He ďfully supported and endorsedĒ the decision to apply a hard border to Qld.

Itís a moot point, heís unlikely to retain his seat anyway at the election (holds it on a 0.7% margin) and the Libs are going to be wiped out in March.

Maggie Island 18th Jan 2021 23:14

Emperor McGowan
 
McGowan holds the highest approval rating of any modern politician in Australia, the March election is effectively a formality. If I were the WA Libs Iíd be more concerned about the following election.

If I were McGowan Iíd be spending more time talking to federal Libs to try to wheel and deal some programs that would benefit both parties.

Kickstarter 19th Jan 2021 00:35

heard a rumour that China is quietly offering very cheap loans in the Pacific. As many billions as these island nations want (that they'll never ever be able to repay).

We better all start learning mandarin.

rattman 19th Jan 2021 03:49


Originally Posted by Kickstarter (Post 10970835)
heard a rumour that China is quietly offering very cheap loans in the Pacific. As many billions as these island nations want (that they'll never ever be able to repay).

They have been doing world wide for years. Mainly concentrating in africa but have been doing it in the pacific as well. Just not to same scale of africa

getaway 19th Jan 2021 03:51


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 10970892)
They have been doing world wide for years. Mainly concentrating in africa but have been doing it in the pacific as well. Just not to same scale of africa

wait for it. If Pacific Island nations don't get tourists soon, China will be in like flynn.

Paragraph377 19th Jan 2021 04:00


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 10970658)
With the treasurer saying jobkeeper wonít be extended, what assistance can those of us who are employed but not getting a wage expect to receive?

I assume we wonít be eligible for Jobseeker due to the fact that we apparently have jobs. Is there anything at all weíll be able to access (genuine question)?

Its pretty poor form from the LNP. If you havenít already, may I suggest a quick email to your local federal member.

Deputy PM Michael McCormack reckons there are heaps of fruit picking jobs up for grabs. You can even earn $3,000 per week, make lots of friends, enjoy an adventure. Wow, that is an amazing opportunity. I wonder if the Ministers family and friends have embarked on this lucrative opportunity?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....85134def1ae737

I guess it is just fortunate that no crisis that we face ever disadvantages our Politicians. They still collect a ludicrous salary, they have their Superannuation PROTECTED under legislation, they donít lose their businesses and they donít have to pay for their own utilities, offices, vehicle etc. Complete scum.


getaway 19th Jan 2021 04:14

start learning the words to this song for your future "masters"

Monty Python - I Like Chinese


601 19th Jan 2021 08:18


the March election is effectively a formality.
How may time have we heard that before!!

Ragnor 19th Jan 2021 09:31

WA is a lost cause McClown will do McClown things write off seeing loved ones etc for at least another two months.

Queen P has been very quiet on this front whatís her next move keep it shut or open up before end of the month maybe 1st Feb?

JQ are standing crews down in ML and SY base for Feb SY has lost 70% of flying. Maybe Miss Jayne is going to strike on AJ and take her frequent flyers back.

Turnleft080 20th Jan 2021 01:10

Fantastic game of cricket at the Gabba, oh Mr Mclown so sorry you missed out on your test match due to your East German philosophy.

dr dre 20th Jan 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10971653)
Fantastic game of cricket at the Gabba, oh Mr Mclown so sorry you missed out on your test match due to your East German philosophy.

Only 5,000 people attended the Gabba for the final day, 12% of capacity, you really think theyíd be disappointed on not hosting an event that would barely be bringing in any revenue? I think the real money in sports is made in TV rights, you could host the Test match in Birdsville, as long as enough watched the broadcast itíd be profitable.

Foxxster 20th Jan 2021 03:59


Originally Posted by Kickstarter (Post 10970835)
heard a rumour that China is quietly offering very cheap loans in the Pacific. As many billions as these island nations want (that they'll never ever be able to repay).

We better all start learning mandarin.

As others have said, this is old news. Look up China Vanuatu or China Fiji and perhaps more worryingly China PNG. Last month, Papua New Guinea signed a memorandum of understanding to build a $200 million "comprehensive multi-functional fishery industrial park" on Daru Island. Google Daru. There isn't much there, including fish.

As Jeff Wall, a long time adviser to the PNG Government, wrote in the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's publication The Strategist this week, "the town of Daru is the closest PNG community to Australia. Even though it is around 200 kilometres from the Australian mainland, it is very close to the islands of the Torres Strait that are within our northern border."

so, in reality, they will build a massive wharf complex, big enough to take very large warships.. and perhaps a few fishing boats which will hover around sensitive Australian military facilities and have lots of strange aerials on them. They may even build an airport, you know to fly those non existent fish out back to China .

Foxxster 20th Jan 2021 05:15

I made a comment before about what would happen when the virus mutates to a variant that renders the current vaccines useless or close to it.

if anyone thinks this will all end in 6 or 9 months when a significant portion of the world population is vaccinated...well..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

dr dre 20th Jan 2021 05:53


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 10971713)
I made a comment before about what would happen when the virus mutates to a variant that renders the current vaccines useless or close to it.

if anyone thinks this will all end in 6 or 9 months when a significant portion of the world population is vaccinated...well..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

Stop reading too much Daily Mail or youíll fearmonger yourself into a frenzy.

COVID mutates slower than the flu.
COVID strains are more genetically similar than the various flu strains are.
Mutations donít necessarily render current vaccines useless.
Getting immunised against basic SARS-COV-2 will provide a level of protection against all strains, some more so than others.

Vaccines can be targeted to new strains of the virus. Every year scientists use forecasted predictions to choose which 4 influenza strains should be included in that yearís flu shot.

When you get your yearly flu shot in autumn does it bother you that scientists are already trying to work and predict what strains should be in the vaccine for the following season? Because thatís essentially what the article you posted is talking about if you strip away the usual Daily Mail tabloid hyperbole.

Fact check: COVID-19 and influenza vaccines too different to be directly compared

Ragnor 20th Jan 2021 06:38

Seeing domestic borders will remain closed to each other in various ways slowly killing off domestic flying. How will QF handle what seems an indefinite grounding of its international pilots and aircraft? JQ has a different EBA QF have a RIN which would most certainly send the group broke if done.

wheels_down 20th Jan 2021 06:48

I think the shift will now start to move toward the ongoing financial viability of the QF group to continue operations. A injection from somewhere will be needed before the year is out, and sadly much debt will be carried beyond this. Much more than originally planned.

You can see why Virgin is keeping its operation bare bones and holding off signing new contracts with vendors at the moment.

I donít think laying off more workers is yet the answer. They will need the revenue and scale when this thing drops off to repay all this debt. They need the employees. Shrinking the operation isnít the answer.

Iíd be more concerned around 787 Long Haul Low Cost vanishing compared to anything else.

Ragnor 20th Jan 2021 06:53

I'm not concerned about the LCC 787 going. That was always going to happen regardless of Covid-19.

jrfsp 20th Jan 2021 07:07

I think the A321s would have replaced that 787s probably anyway....by the looks of it the A321 XLR should just about have the range for all of Asia, if from OOL or CNS which tends to happen with north Asian routes now anyway. I cant see HNL coming back.


wheels_down 20th Jan 2021 07:13

I guess itís a more an issue with, they own these 788s and they canít sell them for what they want. Was window before all this started to offload 3.

Norwegian has blown that plan by flooding the market with them.

However they might need them now to borrow against them.

jrfsp 20th Jan 2021 07:20

Well indeed, i dont think the 787-8s would have great re sale value either, only option would be to transfer to QF to replace 330s on lease, but even that wouldn't be a cheap option, and on short - medium routes the A330s are actually able to hold their own fuel wise and would probably have less capacity than the 332s

thisishardtochoose 20th Jan 2021 09:23


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10971653)
Fantastic game of cricket at the Gabba, oh Mr Mclown so sorry you missed out on your test match due to your East German philosophy.

If thats why you think the test match didn't happen in Perth then I have a bridge to sell you, btw absolute gem of a game though

Sunfish 20th Jan 2021 11:21

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i...azilian-amazon

Its killing younger people. Still want to open the borders dickheads?

SOPS 20th Jan 2021 11:47


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10971923)
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i...azilian-amazon

Its killing younger people. Still want to open the borders dickheads?

It only kills us boomers. The young ones are all ok to go.. open the borders and let it rip. That is the case is it not, Sunny??

ScepticalOptomist 20th Jan 2021 12:46


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10971923)
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i...azilian-amazon

Its killing younger people. Still want to open the borders dickheads?

We sure do.


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