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Kraviator - from one of the planners, not me; "We know we are going to have occasional outbreaks because perfect HQ is not statistically possible. We then have to rely on the contact tracing system to protect us."
Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice. |
Hotel Quarantine WA
Members of the public are also welcome to book rooms at the Pan Pacific Perth, another quarantine hotel. In a statement, a WA Health spokesperson confirmed two Perth quarantine hotels were open to the public, saying both had to "meet strict requirements" and ensure that "the hotel is clearly divided into two very separate areas". WA Premier Mark McGowan said the use of quarantine hotels by members of the public had been "queried at length" with medical advisors, and the advice was that "it is not a risk". More than 2 million people endured a snap five-day lockdown in Perth and surrounding areas last week. The shutdown was sparked by a single case of coronavirus contracted by a young security guard working at the Four Points by Sheraton hotel. A review into the breach is ongoing and WA Health Minister Roger Cook has now made it mandatory for all workers in high-risk areas of hotel security to wear masks and eye protection. |
Perth Hyatt! How do divide this into 2 very separate areas?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2adf70285.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10986640)
Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice.
Their political masters will have told the experts that’s not happening, make do with what you’ve got and provide ‘advice’ on the basis that hotel quarantine is the only option. That’s their ‘medical advice’. I suspect some politicians are regretting that decision, except the Feds who’ve managed to duck their constitutional responsibility with flair and aplomb. The Holiday Inn/ Travelodge was a dive when it opened in the 70’s. It would be well past its use by date now and I can’t imagine the A/C would be up to scratch to prevent aerosol transmission either - as recent events would indicate all too well. |
Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
(Post 10986646)
Perth Hyatt! How do divide this into 2 very separate areas?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2adf70285.jpeg |
Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice. |
Originally Posted by McLimit
(Post 10986695)
They are accepting medical advice that suits their political agenda. Anybody who trusts a politician in this environment is fool.
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Remote quarantine, "controversial" a year ago...
"concerned about poor hygiene standards" "too scared to touch their beds" "worse than a prison" https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...sland/11927300 |
HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10986617)
Morno
Yes, I know very little about aviation having only worked for one airline and one defence/aerospace company apart from I.T, Government and the commercialization industry including sitting on the Board of a medical start up. I received a private briefing from two key Covid investigators from the Peter Doherty Institute in March last year, the contents of which I shared on Pprune at the time which proved substantially correct. The response I received then from one or two of your colleagues was exactly the same as yours. If you continue to reject advice out of hand, no matter, or rather because of, the source, then you and your industry deserve your fate. I still get tidbits, but I rarely share them. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10986766)
HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10986766)
HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
It’s the hotel system that needs changing. |
And once you've infected a healthy person during their stay in your quarantine hotel, do you then charge them for the following 3 weeks in quarantine / hospital?
Seems like an open door for a damages suit. |
The government is charging a hotel quarantine fee to arriving passengers. As you say, the door is open for damages, wide enough to drive a bus full of lawyers through.
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 10986648)
I’d bet London to a brick that the medical advice would have been remote quarantine.
Their political masters will have told the experts that’s not happening, make do with what you’ve got and provide ‘advice’ on the basis that hotel quarantine is the only option. That’s their ‘medical advice’. I suspect some politicians are regretting that decision, except the Feds who’ve managed to duck their constitutional responsibility with flair and aplomb. The Holiday Inn/ Travelodge was a dive when it opened in the 70’s. It would be well past its use by date now and I can’t imagine the A/C would be up to scratch to prevent aerosol transmission either - as recent events would indicate all too well. I heard an interview from an expert from ANU yesterday. He said remote quarantine was NOT feasible. |
I heard an interview from an expert from ANU yesterday. He said remote quarantine was NOT feasible. |
Take some time to read the breathtaking arrogance from someone who had over 800 people die from decisions he was responsible for
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has insisted his state won’t take as many returned travellers as NSW because his quarantine system has “higher standards”. “This is not about boasting, it’s just a fact,” Premier Andrews told a press conference on Monday. Victoria is due to increase its arrival limit from 1,120 to 1,310 next week in response to Prime Minister Scott Morrison ending a temporary reduction of numbers nationwide. However, these figures are substantially lower than NSW, which will return its cap to 3,010. “We will have less capacity because we have a different model and I lead higher standards,” said Premier Andrews. “I can say it because it’s true. And whether that’s convenient for people or not, is not really my concern. There’s not 3,500 private security working in our system. Do I need to go any further than that? “If I was to align many of the criticisms that have been levied, over a long period of time, with what we do now, I’m very confident that we have a system that is worthy of being copied by others, and it is. “If it was anything other than one of the best systems – the AMA over in WA were calling it the gold standard – they’re not terms I use, but that’s what they said, if it was anything other than a good system, then I doubt very much that the first ministers across the country would have agreed to copy it. “It’s not a point of criticism of anyone else. They can speak to their systems. I’m simply making the point that we will not be getting to 3,000, because I don’t believe that 3,000 would be safe. That’s my judgment, and I’ll be accountable for that.” Premier Andrews also listed the improvements made to the system following last year’s second wave of COVID cases that killed 801 people and is thought to have originated from the hotel quarantine system. “We’ve ripped out the air conditioning in a number of these places and put new systems in, we’ve changed the way air flows, we rip up the carpet in all the common areas … so hallways for instance, and lino is put down so we can clean shared spaces where there could be a transmission to industrial standards,” he said. “No one else does this. There’s 50 other points where we do things differently, sometimes significantly differently, sometimes it’s a smaller thing, but when you add all that together, it’s a very risk averse model. “It needs to be, and I can’t rule out further changes.” Nationwide, from 15 February, the new limits will be:
Arrival caps were introduced in July and sat at 4,000, before increasing to 6,500 at the end of 2020 and then decreasing to just over 4,000 in January 2021. Critics have argued limits have stopped Australians abroad being able to return home by reducing availability and increasing prices. Also, you lot from other States wonder why NSW shakes their heads at you lot. |
Sticking healthy people in hotels with closed windows for 14 days and making them breathe recycled air with an airborne pathogen lurking is a recipe for disaster.
This is not going to end anytime soon. |
Originally Posted by McLimit
(Post 10987303)
Take some time to read the breathtaking arrogance from someone who had over 800 people die from decisions he was responsible for
"I'm not having a go but......." What a load of horse****. Megalomainiac, narcissist, sociopath. You lot from other States wonder why NSW shakes their heads at you lot. |
I know mate, but finally that ****wit is putting on paper how much of an a-hole he is. Meanwhile, the 'I stand with Dan' lemmings will ensure he remains in power for some time to come.
Bro, almost anyone in the industry thinks he is a f#}kwit. Our thoughts won’t stop him getting re-elected though. |
So let's look at those new numbers, then consider them as a function of the Australian population.
Interestingly, though completely unsurprisingly, NSW is again carrying the lions share of the incoming passenger load, vastly over and above their fair share. And as has been proven many times over, from all states, this bug can get out of HQ. This bug will get out of HQ again. But the likes of QLD and WA in particular, see absolutely no issue with closing their borders to NSW as a result of that leakage, even though they are happy to let NSW process the overwhelming majority of returning travellers - and in the case of WA, demanding "28 days pestilence free" before they'll even think about reopening their borders. The WA hard border to NSW went up 05 April 2020, reopened 08 December, was reintroduced December 17 and remains current. That's a total of 303 days (over 80% of the last year) of NSWelshmen being unable to travel to WA, either at all, or without quarantining. Perhaps Gladys needs to call their bluff.... "Alright you lot, you want to lock out NSW citizens over 1 case when we're doing the heavy lifting, fine! I'm closing our HQ system for returning passengers. You want them home? You deal with it. We've done our bit for the cause, and I'm not going to have my constituents punished through border closures, lost holidays, cancelled weddings and missed funerals because you're a bunch of selfish, paranoid & un-Australian asreholes!" https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0b291fc807.jpg |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 10987277)
I heard an interview from an expert from ANU yesterday. He said remote quarantine was NOT feasible.
Not feasible from what perspective? If he/she meant “hard work” or it might upset somebody rather than feasible, then tough sh1t. Get on with it. |
Quite incredible that Andrews is boasting after nearly 1000 deaths
Does anyone believe the "aerosol transmission" being promoted by Andrews Govt right now to explain latest infections of HQ in Melbourne ? When will Qld & Tasmania close their borders to Victoria again ? (can't figure out why Qld would still be open to Vict , when they closed to parts of WA , but I am dumb so maybe someone could explain this to me) Update Midday: Now two staff from Airport Travelodge infected , building evacuated more infections expected. Talking about a nebuliser or something , looking like a breakdown in basic protocol or lack of commonsense. Also a staff infection at City Hyatt So is Melb facing an illusive , highly complex mode of transmission that is so much more difficult than anywhere else ? or is it just a breakdown of basic sh*t same as July 2020 ? |
About time a few premiers were summoned to a meeting in Canberra about the functioning of the Commonwealth. The fact there are a few out there who think they are a independent country in itself is a concern. The hypocrisy of it is that they still want federal grants and welfare paid for them and for the people from other states to defend them when a Chinese Armada turns up at their doorstep yet they won't enable the constitution to function as it is written.
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10987336)
About time a few premiers were summoned to a meeting in Canberra about the functioning of the Commonwealth. The fact there are a few out there who think they are a independent country in itself is a concern. The hypocrisy of it is that they still want federal grants and welfare paid for them and for the people from other states to defend them when a Chinese Armada turns up at their doorstep yet they won't enable the constitution to function as it is written.
We may wish it, but we know better than to expect it. And I can't help but see the irony in your expecting that an Asian invasion would target WA to the exclusion of the "eastern states". |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10987336)
About time a few premiers were summoned to a meeting in Canberra about the functioning of the Commonwealth. The fact there are a few out there who think they are a independent country in itself is a concern. The hypocrisy of it is that they still want federal grants and welfare paid for them and for the people from other states to defend them when a Chinese Armada turns up at their doorstep yet they won't enable the constitution to function as it is written.
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It looks like Melbourne has community transmission again. Another lock down coming??
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Originally Posted by LapSap
(Post 10987319)
An expert in what? Medicine? Transport logistics? Security? Air conditioning?
Not feasible from what perspective? If he/she meant “hard work” or it might upset somebody rather than feasible, then tough sh1t. Get on with it. Professor Peter Collingnon. https://medicalschool.anu.edu.au/peo...r-collignon-am he is a professor at the ANU, infectious disease expert. Goes for about 10 minutes. He goes through a number of things very well. And I think much better qualified than anyone posting here. https://www.2gb.com/podcast/drive-wi...ow-february-8/ |
We may wish it, but we know better than to expect it. |
So DA has reversed the decision to increase overseas intake numbers due to the “load” on the system.
I heard the tail end of the federal briefing last week and could have sworn I heard the CMO state that l, at that moment, there were a total of 9 Covid patients hospitalised in the whole of Australia and zero in ICU. (1 as of a day or so ago I understand ). Is this the “load” he is talking about? |
So apparently now this new strain is a hyper-infectious mutant strain.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...02f60e20444095 |
All very high powered Dan & the gang talking about hyper infective mutant strains & thermo nuclear vortex effect spread through nebulisers
Does anyone believe this s**t ? |
Originally Posted by McLimit
(Post 10987365)
We put well deserved **** on you, but really? You think that?
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Well AMA Victoria seems to...id imagine they are fairly qualified to comment.....All comes back to hotels not being suitable for quarantine purposes…how many times do we need to be told.
Taken from ABC:"The AMA's Julian Rait said risks posed by new highly infectuous strains highlighted the need for better air flow at these sites. "The use of these nebulisers then this emphasizes there's need for greater scrutiny of the ventilation in hotel quarantine and we also need to look at it much more carefully because we know of the variants arising from the UK and South Africa and so," he said. On Twitter, he said that many city hotels were "woefully inadequate" for quarantine purposes. "The AMA would like to see the original ventilation audit to demonstrate that the Holiday Inn was safe to use in the first place," Professor Rait tweeted. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 10987379)
Well AMA Victoria seems to...id imagine they are fairly qualified to comment.....All comes back to hotels not being suitable for quarantine purposes…how many times do we need to be told.
Taken from ABC:"The AMA's Julian Rait said risks posed by new highly infectuous strains highlighted the need for better air flow at these sites. "The use of these nebulisers then this emphasizes there's need for greater scrutiny of the ventilation in hotel quarantine and we also need to look at it much more carefully because we know of the variants arising from the UK and South Africa and so," he said. On Twitter, he said that many city hotels were "woefully inadequate" for quarantine purposes. "The AMA would like to see the original ventilation audit to demonstrate that the Holiday Inn was safe to use in the first place," Professor Rait tweeted. if anyone thinks that a remote site managed ,using that word extremely loosely, by these fools would be any better than their keystone cops hotel quarantine then you need medical help yourselves. Of the psychiatric variety. |
All is well Premier Andrews had assured us that our HQ is superior to that of NSW - "that is just a fact" & he also told us we teach the other states about
all this stuff in his late night conference after 1st infection (1 week ago) He has also assured us that guests will be asked not to use nebulisers & requested us not to blame or become angry with the man who did as that would just be mean The other states just don't understand they are backwards we are the superior "education state" All fixed now |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 10987378)
121 years of narking, patronising disparagement and we're supposed to feel warm and fuzzy about the eastern states? Really?
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
(Post 10987398)
To be fair, Queensland and Tasmania have always copped plenty of narking, patronising disparagement as well. So would SA, except that nobody cares enough about it to be bothered.
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SA now looking to close to greater MEL, i reckon TAS, NT, ACT maybe QLD will follow
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SA & NT were closed at least a few days ago
We got the best hotel quarantine in the world We got the best hotel quarantine in the world We got the best hotel quarantine in the whole wide world And we can all thank Uncle Dan.......... |
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