Talk about trying “Australianise” the mask rules!!!

Just wear it through the terminal and before the flight deck door is shut. Then take it off!! FFS does this really require multiple posts and hand wringing to figure out?

Otherwise wear one walking around in public areas.

Not that hard really.....

I don't believe that the Qld Govt is dictating what happens in the airspace above Qld but what is required in an aircraft flying over Qld.
Al this bovine excreta about jurisdictions is just cr@p.

To hear the stupid questions on local radio this morning about wearing a mask in a gym.
Makes one wonder is there any common sense left or grey matter between the ears.

(Fx2)S just wear the bl00dy thing.

Aren't they the same thing? And can they? Is an aircraft in flight subject to the laws of whatever landmass happens to be under it at the time?

I seem to remember that Alberta used to mandate prohibition of alcohol consumption for flights passing over the province.

It seems like there are people out there who have nothing better to do than call radio stations with stupid questions.
Like you say,is it really that hard to work out what is required!

Speaking of radio stations and airspace, heard a story last night that a Queensland lady needed to get to Perth because her mum was on her death bed.
She boarded the BNE-PER flight and half way through it WA closed the border. After landing in Perth the passengers were kept in a room
for processing either return flights to BNE or quarantine for 14 days. She never got to the hospital, if she did she would of seen her mums last 6 hours of life.
How distressing. However, McGowan would just shrug his shoulders and say tough luck.

The problem was that the health directive regarding gyms said one thing and the Health Minister said the complete opposite in her press conference……what a surprise.:rolleyes:

MM has no remorse he will most likely not even hear of this lady’s storey. The scary thing here is he has brain washed WA ppl to think the east coast is so highly infectious that no contact could possibly be made. Sure lock out BN greater LGA, SY greater LGA what ever makes him feel good but what sense does it make to lock out ppl from Northern QLD and NSW residents outside SY etc.

Mark McGowan:"NSW should look at the other states and territories and follow the majority consensus towards elimination!"

Also Mark McGowan: "It's too dangerous to open our borders to all of NSW, Qld or Victoria - I don't give two hoots that the NT, Qld, SA or Tasmania or the ACT have only declared Greater Sydney a hotspot!"

On a serious note though, I do wonder what his stance is going to be when a vaccine is deployed. Will he allow unrestricted entry to those who show proof of vaccination, or will he continue to peddle the line "Just because you've had a needle doesn't mean you can come in!"

If China stopped the ore that leaves WA with nothing really and the way it’s going with China it could very well happen. McGoose will have to change his strategy to align with the other states and territories.

Well there’s plenty of persons overseas now who have had a Covid vaccine who will still have to quarantine for 14 days, maybe even for the rest of the year. So they aren’t being allowed unrestricted entry.

As far as vaccines go it is more about reaching a critical mass of immunisation before allow relaxing of restrictions, one person could still cause an outbreak in a mostly unvaccinated population, albeit it they will be less contagious if they are infected.

Once again, current data suggests having the vaccine will not stop you acquiring and transmitting the virus. You still get it and can infect others, but your body fights it extra effectively and you don't get (as) sick (and possibly reduce the viral loads to prevent super spreader individuals). Hence, even those vaccinated early on (like presumably international flight crew) will still have to quarantine until such time that enough of the population has been vaccinated so as to not overload the hospital system.

current data suggests neither.
they simply don’t have the data. Yet. Every statement to the contrary is simply a theory.
and it probably won’t be binary (either prevent infections or not) it may be somewhere in the middle.

Since the hospital system is actually being underutilised without a vaccine why is this even a remote concern? It would appear that 99% of people in Australia who get the Chinese Strain of Covid 19 seem to be fine and don't end up in hospital. My local hospital has actually been cutting down on casual staff hours due to a lack of things to do and that's with no vaccine.

That’s because entry from pandemic hotspots is restricted. We’re keeping large scale virus out of a population that isn’t immunised. If we didn’t the virus spreads to the point of health care system collapse ala Northern Hemisphere currently.

The whole point of the vaccination program is to allow this pandemic emergency to be brought under control so our health care system can cope with normal travel and human interaction. Then we can start to remove travel restrictions.

The vaccine is the only thing that’s going to allow unrestricted travel with no widespread health crisis. I cannot understand why anybody who works in our industry would dismiss or be opposed to this vaccine.

Australia's numbers...

Total cases: 28,634

Total deaths: 909 (3.1%) Some very sick people included in these statistics.

Current active cases: 311 (estimated)

Total hospitalised: 45

Later this year lets look at the suicide statistics for 2020 in Australia.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...d-case-numbers

Though the effects of the Pandemic are far from over and will be felt for years to come, this study found no effects on suicide rates for the first 7mths of the pandemic in QLD.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...435-1/fulltext

3318 Suicides in 2019
1195 Fatalities in Car Crashes in 2019 yet we all kept driving!!
We also had the Worst Influenza season ever in 2019 with 310 000 people presenting at Hospital with influenza and 910 related deaths.

You need to wait a few years for that to play out. I would bet it will increase if there is a post pandemic economic crunch associated with lack of access to relatives. However if the economy can survive and the States start acting in the national interest it may not be to bad.

Some of you don't seem to understand logistics and especially supply chains, let alone complex systems.

Covid 19 is not directly lethal, we hope, to the majority of humans. It is indirectly lethal to everyone because it has the capacity to destroy the healthcare system.

You don't seem to understand what the poor doctors and nurses are going through overseas where their systems are under major stress. We need to protect our healthcare system and its workers.

P.S. Anyone want to coomplain how "harsh" "Unfair' "illogical" etc the covid response is now that they founds that cluster in Brisbane? This is a dynamic system.

I thought these guys were the so called "Hero's" in our society of hypochondriacs, if you were to believe the press sensationalism.

[QUOTE=Sunfish;10966804]Some of you don't seem to understand logistics and especially supply chains, let alone complex systems.
Covid 19 is not directly lethal, we hope, to the majority of humans. It is indirectly lethal to everyone because it has the capacity to destroy the healthcare system.



Just to throw some numbers with your statement Sunfish worldwide their have been 93,000,000 cases, 66,000,000 recoveries, 2,000,000 deaths.
Looking at those figures it's not lethal, it's not a death sentence, however it's lethal if you have heart disease, diabetes 2, cancer, COPD, emphysema. Why? Your immune system is
exhausted and depleted to defend a covid strain. A covid strain loves any of these conditions it's free to duplicate and multiply. Also don't forget if you have these
conditions you still have a 98% chance of recovery. State/federal governments will scare the crap out of you that it's a death sentence. Remember the Dan show he
really liked to emphasis the death ages and that's it.

The healthier you are the less chance of flooding the health system.
I really think the WHO, CDC come clean and give us more information about this virus.
We only know so much, though I reckon their is more info out their they can educate us on.

Yes. Definitely worth follow up.
I guess that you're tipping an increase and you may be correct.
But the AIHW warns about interpreting trends in suicide rates in Australia because of the very low overall rate and the impact that small yearly variation can have on the rate.

What I am interested in is why, in the USA, without discernible COVID controls, the suicide rate (with firearms) has remained stable for several years through to and including 2020 but the homicide rate has increased dramatically - something like a 20 - 25% increase in just one year.

turnleft, where are your statistics for hospitalisation, ICU occupancy and deaths and illness among health care workers?

You obviously don't understand the problem.

We can survive COVID but we can't survive all having COVID at the same time.

Worst case scenario USA, --------- against Australia
Population 330,000,000 -----------------25,000,000

Total cases 23,400,000 ------------------ 28,647
Deaths 389,900 -------------------------------- 909
Total recoveries 13,800,000 ------------- 25,860
Active cases with covid 9,200,000 ------- 1,878
IN ICU 29,222 ------------------------------------ 1
Deaths per 1,000,000 = 1173 ----------------- 35

Haven't got health care workers though you reckon they would be healthy in the first place if their dealing with sick people
as their profession. As you can see the Aus numbers are influenced with harsh lockdowns, curfews, international air restrictions.
The USA hardly did any of that plus their diet is crap they all live on top of each other hence the large numbers.
I understand the problem, people should not be scared of the virus you should be scared of your own immune system.

Planet earth is located at the right temperature from the sun to sustain life. Provided is O2 and H2O and they alone
will produce fungi, moulds, viruses, germs. The bloke upstairs then decided to invent humans, and he provided them
with a immune system to fight them off. I believe that's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
Guess what, it will continue for the next 10,000 and 10,000 after that. What are we scared of?

Does the average age of death ‘with COVID’, still exceed the average life expectancy in the western world?

I know this was definitely the case earlier in the pandemic, and I’d expect it was still the case as treatment strategies improve.

Sorry, do we have an attitude that those above average life expectancy aren’t worth saving?

Even if you don’t care about those above average life expectancy look at the pandemic’s toll on some who are below average life expectancy:

Average age of Covid ICU patient in UK: 60

25% of Covid dead in US below 65, another 25% between 65-74

3000 US Healthcare worker Covid deaths, majority under 60

20% of US under 35’s admitted to hospital needed intensive care, 20% reported long term complications

Over 75% of German patients with average age of 49 reported cardiac issues post Covid

As expected more hyperbole, sample size 100

Small sample but a random selection, still indicates high degree of post Covid complications for a group of people average age well under 65 in a first world country.

Hardly hyperbole. For a profession where good cardiac health is essential to be fit to fly I wouldn’t want to be taking too many chances.

Mate you wrote a new headline for your linked article to try and make it sound more dire. More like 78 individuals, even the writer says all it proves is that further investigation is warranted.

Exact text from the study:

So over 75% of the patients in that study (unselected Btw, that’s the key) with a mean age of 49 had cardiac issues.

I agree further investigations need to be done, but you can hardly dismiss any risk of cardiac issues in the non elderly after Covid infection after reading that study.

Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.

He may have had great success with the voters but watching him talk recently he is nothing but a power hungry psychopath. Must have been picked on during his Navy career I reckon.

Wait until COVID gets out in WA- he will make Dan look like a Saint.

That's one way to improve the compliance rate.

Never said that. I just posed the question. It’s called average life expectancy for a reason. We can’t live forever.

Aren't airports a federal jurisdiction?

It’s pretty easy to not cop that massive fine. Just wear a mask in airports and on aircraft. As airline staff we’re mandated to wear one anyway as part of our employment. If we refused to we’d cop a bigger fine than $50k, it’s called being sacked.

I’d say fines towards the extreme end would be for those who are being disruptive, like refusing to wear one after being directed to by police.

Eliminate it from community spread until the population is properly immunised.

In other news it’s good to see some progress is being made on the hotel quarantine front, with measures that epidemiologists have been wanting for months now are being considered, although it would’ve been better had the federal government taken the responsibility for quarantine as constitutionally mandated to them in the first place.

If these ideas are implemented across the nation then basically there’ll be very little risk of a major city hotel outbreak so life can return to best as normal until the population is immunised to herd immunity. Probably better for the quarantiners too as they can have some fresh air instead of being cooped up in sealed hotel room:

The Queensland Government will consider using mining camps to quarantine international travellers as the state grapples with a cluster of the highly-contagious UK strain of coronavirus.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she would raise the matter with the Federal Government when national cabinet meets next Friday.

"We are going to look at all options and one of those options is to look at some of the mining camps that we have in Queensland," she said.

"Now, for a start, some of these mining camps are four-star.”

"My understanding is most of them, the ones we're looking at, have balconies so there's a lot of fresh air for guests and also, too, there's the capacity for all of the staff and the cleaners and everyone to also be based on those sites as well.

"I think this is a rational option and if we are dealing with a strain which is up to 70 per cent more infectious, I think we need to be really serious about it."

Queensland considers mining camps for quarantining travellers - ABC News

I believe that the penalty mentioned arises from this : The last significant penalty imposed under the WA state regs was a young man who was fined following numerous, flagrant breaches of his self-quarantine directions and subsequently pleaded guilty to 5 counts of Fail to Comply with an Emergency Management Act Direction
He was fined a total of $13,000. (Very lenient in my opinion).

A WA Police spokesperson said that “Breaching directions made under the Emergency Management Act may result in on-the-spot fines of $1,000 for individuals, or where a matter is deemed serious and dealt with under formal criminal charges penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for 12 months may be imposed by the courts.”

In other words, the state law and penalties have not changed. The only change is the adoption of the requirement to wear the mask at all times in airports which is a federal directive arising from a National Cabinet decision.
It applies to NSW as well, though the penalty may vary from state to state.

As far as I can tell, in NSW the penalties which would apply would be for breaches of the Public Health Act 2010.
In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.
The NSW Police may also issue on-the-spot fines of $1000 for an offence.
In the case of any corporation, the maximum penalty is $55,000 and a further $27,500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.

Funny though that the papers aren't also saying "Beryl will fine you $11,000 AND stick you in gaol for six months if you don't wear a mask at the airport".

That's not what he said or intimated.