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Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 00:51


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874591)
Nothing has changed for the moron xeptu. Probably gets government money in the bank every fortnight so doesn’t care.

You do know that WA stands for Western AUSTRALIA right? You want to go it alone, then you should lose all privileges and rights that come with being Australian. Because at the moment, you aren’t.

How about you pull your head in, stop your whining and fix the problem in your own state, That way the borders can be opened and you won't need to whine about the unaffected states counter measures to your problem.

dr dre 31st Aug 2020 00:53


Originally Posted by Square Bear (Post 10874543)
According to Federal Treasury data, five local governments — Exmouth, Shark Bay, Dundas, Augusta-Margaret River and Denmark — had 50 per cent or more businesses apply for the payment.

That was the highest number of all the States and Territories.

Closing the borders totally is a good idea,.....as long as you don’t live in those local Govt areas I suppose.

Do you have a link to that data? I suspect the 50% may have come from JK applications in April/May, when even intrastate travel was restricted prior to Easter. After those restrictions were lifted it seems intrastate tourism is booming and places like Exmouth and Broome are doing quite well.

It wouldn’t be much of a stretch to say WA would have the lowest Jobkeeper uptake rate now of any state, and Victoria the highest.


blubak 31st Aug 2020 01:27


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10874548)
Those businesses employ very few people, it's not a major drain. It's not like a manufacturing plant that employs hundreds.

As for our military, well special ops and half the navy is based here, :) just saying

Be interesting to actually hear what the owners of these businesses think about it not being a major drain & also the people who work in them.
Wont be a concern of course to a premier still sitting in his luxury residence,still raking in his normal salary & eligible for a life long taxpayer funded pension.
I doubt many small business owners are happy to be told theyre not important.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 01:32


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874603)
unaffected because you dont pull your weight.
Never have. My head is out because dumbasses like you are actively promoting and encouraging idiots like Palaszczuk and McGowan to continue with CCP like measures. You’ve basically given the finger to the rest of Australia.
unaffected...so you’d have no idea of the effect this is having on people. You just sit there sucking up taxpayer money.

dont even get me started about the sh$t you go an about on the QF thread. No knowledge, no idea, just an armchair expert with nothing better to do. Use your retirement to go and sail a boat or something. The aviation world doesn’t need your constant gloating and negativity.

4 cases in NSW today. All traced. What do you define as ‘under control’...zero transmission for 2 cycles? Not going to happen. Look at NZ, QLD, even your own WA. Tracing, targeted lockdowns/isolation and testing is the best way.

still a good chance Palmer will win...the high court considers the economic and social impacts, rather than just the health ones. Even the federal court deemed some states as ‘low risk’. There is no reason at all not to be open to those states.

Whatever! If it makes you feel better making it personal, you fill your boots. I really don't mind.

Buster Hyman 31st Aug 2020 01:33


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10874593)
How about you pull your head in, stop your whining and fix the problem in your own state, That way the borders can be opened and you won't need to whine about the unaffected states counter measures to your problem.

Perhaps Victoria could withhold it's GST collection to do that, especially if Chairman Dan's little CCP deal gets the chop. Be interesting if a Border closure also affected the flow of cash...

goodonyamate 31st Aug 2020 01:39


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10874612)
Whatever! If it makes you feel better making it personal, you fill your boots. I really don't mind.

no it doesn’t. Does it make you feel better getting on here and telling everyone we have no idea what’s coming and we’ll be lucky if we aren’t made redundant etc etc? You do t think that’s personal? So get off your high horse. You’ve been making it personal all along.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 01:42


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874616)
no it doesn’t. Does it make you feel better getting on here and telling everyone we have no idea what’s coming and we’ll be lucky if we aren’t made redundant etc etc? You do t think that’s personal? So get off your high horse. You’ve been making it personal all along.

Wrong Thread, different purpose and in any case what you read isn't necessarily what was meant.

BuzzBox 31st Aug 2020 01:45


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874603)
unaffected because you dont pull your weight.
Never have...You just sit there sucking up taxpayer money.

That statement is so typical of the ill-informed nonsense espoused by the 'wise men of the East'. Perhaps you could tell us which State contributes the most to Australia's export economy? I'll give you a little hint; it's not NSW or Victoria...

goodonyamate 31st Aug 2020 01:56


Originally Posted by BuzzBox (Post 10874620)
That statement is so typical of the ill-informed nonsense espoused by the 'wise men of the East'. Perhaps you could tell us which State contributes the most to Australia's export economy? I'll give you a little hint; it's not NSW or Victoria...

my comment was in relation to the repatriation of Australians. Should have specified.

KRviator 31st Aug 2020 02:01


Originally Posted by BuzzBox (Post 10874620)
That statement is so typical of the ill-informed nonsense espoused by the 'wise men of the East'. Perhaps you could tell us which State contributes the most to Australia's export economy? I'll give you a little hint; it's not NSW or Victoria...

And there it is. Australia's export economy. Not Western Australia's economy. Australia's economy. All fine and good to be part of the Federation when they want it to be, but the instant something doesn't go their way, "Phuck you Jack, I'm alright!"

goodonyamate 31st Aug 2020 02:04


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10874622)
And there it is. Australia's export economy. Not Western Australia's economy. Australia's economy. All fine and good to be part of the Federation when they want it to be, but the instant something doesn't go their way, "Phuck you Jack, I'm alright!"


Spot on. AUSTRALIA.

there is no reason WA, SA, TAS, NT can’t have full and free movement. Too soon to call on NSW and QLD. Vic...obvious.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 02:05


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874621)
my comment was in relation to the repatriation of Australians. Should have specified.

Nope, after careful review of your previous few posts, it pretty much looks directed at me personally.

dr dre 31st Aug 2020 02:14


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10874603)
unaffected because you dont pull your weight.
Never have. My head is out because dumbasses like you are actively promoting and encouraging idiots like Palaszczuk and McGowan to continue with CCP like measures. You’ve basically given the finger to the rest of Australia.

All the way through these borders restrictions of the last few months I’ve noticed how all those who oppose the restrictions limit their anger to the premiers of WA and Qld, but ignore the premiers of SA and Tasmania who have instituted similar or even tougher restrictions (Tasmania closed completely until December 1).

Makes me think a lot of the anger is based on political ideology.

Ragnor 31st Aug 2020 02:28

We will find out October 31st what the residents of the sunshine state really think! Anastasia Cairns stunt this morning of 11 million for projects, just might not be enough when it was reported that QLD tourism industry slated to loose 2.2B by end of the year.

goodonyamate 31st Aug 2020 02:30


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10874628)
All the way through these borders restrictions of the last few months I’ve noticed how all those who oppose the restrictions limit their anger to the premiers of WA and Qld, but ignore the premiers of SA and Tasmania who have instituted similar or even tougher restrictions (Tasmania closed completely until December 1).

Makes me think a lot of the anger is based on political ideology.

they are equally as guilty. However, They have not put an endless timeline on their closures. McGowan has, and Palaszczuk also has. Statements like ‘in line with medical advice’ are meaningless, as the medical advice differs between federal and state level.

I still maintain it’s too early to call on QLD, NSW and VIC. The rest of the states and territories should be open to each other. Locking out people from other states with zero or very few cases is nothing more than political.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 02:32


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10874630)
We will find out October 31st what the residents of the sunshine state really think! Anastasia Cairns stunt this morning of 11 million for projects, just might not be enough when it was reported that QLD tourism industry slated to loose 2.2B by end of the year.

just curious, do you think the opposition should it win government, open the borders, is this an opposition election platform.

Bend alot 31st Aug 2020 02:33


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10874628)
All the way through these borders restrictions of the last few months I’ve noticed how all those who oppose the restrictions limit their anger to the premiers of WA and Qld, but ignore the premiers of SA and Tasmania who have instituted similar or even tougher restrictions (Tasmania closed completely until December 1).

Makes me think a lot of the anger is based on political ideology.

QLD, SA and NT have pretty similar restrictions.

Tasmania are continuing "travel restrictions" until Dec 1.

Non-Tasmanian residents, who are not classified as Essential Travellers, are required to quarantine in government-designated accommodation.

https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/trave...ng-to-tasmania

I think this is a summary of travel in Australia. But my be errors pretty hard to work out* If you live in WA you can travel without quarantine/isolation to every state and territory except Tasmania that requires quarantine on entry . But not return to WA.


* If you live in SA you can travel without quarantine/isolation to NT, QLD.

Quarantine/isolation on return from Victoria, NSW and ACT.

Quarantine on entry into Tasmania.


* If you live in NT travel without quarantine/isolation to SA, QLD, NSW (except greater Sydney) and ACT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania and on return from Greater Sydney and Victoria.


* If you live in QLD travel without quarantine/isolation to SA and NT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania and on return from NSW, ACT and Victoria.


* If you live in NSW travel without quarantine/isolation to ACT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania, SA and QLD and on return from , ACT and Victoria.

LapSap 31st Aug 2020 03:11


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10874524)
Well actually no we won't. The economy in our state is pretty much back to normal. Our covid wards are empty and our reserve staff waiting to be called are still waiting, hopefully we won't need to call upon them. The only ones on jobkeeper are about half the state based airline staff and a significant number of the tourism industry. Otherwise you would'nt know there's a crisis going on. It's really important to us to keep covid out here, we can't depend upon any other state for our essential services, nor can we access them. We are pretty much self contained. We produce everything we need locally To allow covid in would collapse our health system and most likely our essential services as well. we really don't want to end up like Victoria and possibly NSW as well.
The only thing we can't do is travel outside of our state, unless you want to mandatory quarantine at your own expense when you return. We can wait. It's not a big ask. when the quick test arrives we will review our position.

As long as you realize it cuts both ways... Its not just up to you.
Don't be surprised when YOU are ready to travel, that the option may not be open to you.
I'll vote for that.

Stickshift3000 31st Aug 2020 03:17


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10874636)
QLD, SA and NT have pretty similar restrictions.

Tasmania are continuing "travel restrictions" until Dec 1.

Non-Tasmanian residents, who are not classified as Essential Travellers, are required to quarantine in government-designated accommodation.

https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/trave...ng-to-tasmania

I think this is a summary of travel in Australia. But my be errors pretty hard to work out* If you live in WA you can travel without quarantine/isolation to every state and territory except Tasmania that requires quarantine on entry . But not return to WA.


* If you live in SA you can travel without quarantine/isolation to NT, QLD.

Quarantine/isolation on return from Victoria, NSW and ACT.

Quarantine on entry into Tasmania.


* If you live in NT travel without quarantine/isolation to SA, QLD, NSW (except greater Sydney) and ACT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania and on return from Greater Sydney and Victoria.


* If you live in QLD travel without quarantine/isolation to SA and NT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania and on return from NSW, ACT and Victoria.


* If you live in NSW travel without quarantine/isolation to ACT.

Quarantine on arrival to Tasmania, SA and QLD and on return from , ACT and Victoria.

We'll take anyone down here in Vic - no conditions attached! :E

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 03:27


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10874647)
As long as you realize it cuts both ways... Its not just up to you.
Don't be surprised when YOU are ready to travel, that the option may not be open to you.
I'll vote for that.

I personally won't be travelling interstate for any reason before the borders are open, I understand and accept that. If I "MUST" travel interstate then I agree to accept those conditions and requirements expected of me and anyone else, both arriving in another state and upon my return. Is that what you meant.

LapSap 31st Aug 2020 04:01


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10874651)
I personally won't be travelling interstate for any reason before the borders are open, I understand and accept that. If I "MUST" travel interstate then I agree to accept those conditions and requirements expected of me and anyone else, both arriving in another state and upon my return. Is that what you meant.

No, no, no.
You are much too presumptuous.
I mean regardless you “MUST” travel interstate, you won’t mind the rest of us saying, “sorry pal, you’re not going anywhere for the foreseeable- or indeed unforeseeable future.”?

Care to elaborate on what you would classify as “MUST”?

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 04:11


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10874658)
No, no, no.
You are much too presumptuous.
I mean regardless you “MUST” travel interstate, you won’t mind the rest of us saying, “sorry pal, you’re not going anywhere for the foreseeable- or indeed unforeseeable future.”?

I'm sorry, if you want a meaningful response you'll have to be clearer on what you mean by this statement.

Xeptu 31st Aug 2020 04:25


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10874658)
Care to elaborate on what you would classify as “MUST”?

Whilst a State of Emergency exists, I would define "MUST" as to render assistance to another State or Party in need of assistance.

Square Bear 31st Aug 2020 08:07

Dr De, as requested....

admittedly an ABC report, most others are behind a paywall, and I wasn’t going to Treasury to find the direct reference for you. ABC NEWS REPORT

Seems to me that some states (NSW about the only exception) are using the pandemic to either hide inefficiencies or promote agendas,

...take QLD, the Premier in her daily live news report says that the State has one Covid case today...and the press and citizen are hyperventilating, up iin arms..but no-one questions the fact that the State debt is close to a 100 Billion dollars in debt...DEFLECTION...QLD has destroyed its financial, but nothing to see here.

The WA Premier sticks to his guns about closing the borders to keep the disease out, but not that long ago he was spruiking that Interstate FIFO could bring their families over, settle in WA and financial assistance would be given.

Purpose to convince those from the Eastern States that even though you will live a zillion miles from your family and friends, WA is a great place to live. AGENDA....WA does not have to rely on FIFO.

And using a giant State Origin mentality to peruse those aims.

SAD really.

KRviator 31st Aug 2020 08:41


Originally Posted by Square Bear (Post 10874785)
The WA Premier sticks to his guns about closing the borders to keep the disease out, but not that long ago he was spruiking that Interstate FIFO could bring their families over, settle in WA and financial assistance would be given. Purpose to convince those from the Eastern States that even though you will live a zillion miles from your family and friends, WA is a great place to live. AGENDA....WA does not have to rely on FIFO..

We briefly considered that "offer" - my employer did up a whole pack with draft figures etc - and we both wholeheartedly rejected it outright. We would be, literally, several tens of thousands of dollars worse off if we were to relocate to WA, and that is with the relocation assistance on offer. And that's not counting the hundreds of thousands of QF FF points we'd lose over years to come as well from not going back east. Oh, there's also the annoying little problem of being the other side of the country from everyone we know and care about. Having to find new paediatricians and other specialists but according to McGowan "Come to WA, here's $20K!". :yuk:

What that idiot doesn't realise about interstate FIFO is this: If enough WA residents did the bloody work, the big miners wouldn't NEED interstate FIFO! The simple fact is, they can't or won't do it, particularly in more highly specialised roles, which is why not only the big players, but even contractors will offer FIFO roles with fully-paid-for flights back to Sydney, Brisbane, etc. Kind of makes me wonder if that was the reason they excluded both FIFO Specialists and non-specialists from the Closing the Border direction amendment that was signed back in July...:mad:

Ragnor 31st Aug 2020 09:34

There should be uproar across the NT about this. Borders closed means borders are closed.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/12608080

C441 31st Aug 2020 09:46

Here in Queensland I’m waiting for Annastacia to close the border between the suburbs south and west of Brisbane and those to the north and east using the same rationale that has been used to close the NSW/Qld border. Premier, if you let any of those contagious Covid clowns over to this side of the river we won’t vote for you! :rolleyes:

Turnleft080 31st Aug 2020 10:03


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 10874925)
Here in Queensland I’m waiting for Annastacia to close the border between the suburbs south and west of Brisbane and those to the north and east using the same rationale that has been used to close the NSW/Qld border. Premier, if you let any of those contagious Covid clowns over to this side of the river we won’t vote for you! :rolleyes:

Struth, I thought Marg Thatcher was bad.

Bend alot 31st Aug 2020 11:27


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10874906)
There should be uproar across the NT about this. Borders closed means borders are closed.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/12608080

NT border is not closed!

Scomo has closed international borders - NT is happy for visitors/workers from low COVID areas, as are some other states.

The link seems the Vanuatu government does not want it's citizens to leave its country mostly.

Bend alot 31st Aug 2020 11:29


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 10874925)
Here in Queensland I’m waiting for Annastacia to close the border between the suburbs south and west of Brisbane and those to the north and east using the same rationale that has been used to close the NSW/Qld border. Premier, if you let any of those contagious Covid clowns over to this side of the river we won’t vote for you! :rolleyes:

Containment lines is not a bad idea - best sort the LINES before it is required - so they are known.

currawong 31st Aug 2020 11:48


Originally Posted by Square Bear (Post 10874785)
Dr De, as requested....

admittedly an ABC report, most others are behind a paywall, and I wasn’t going to Treasury to find the direct reference for you. ABC NEW REPORT

Seems to me that some states (NSW about the only exception) are using the pandemic to either hide inefficiencies or promote agendas,

...take QLD, the Premier in her daily live news report says that the State has one Covid case today...and the press and citizen are hyperventilating, up iin arms..but no-one questions the fact that the State debt is close to a 100 Billion dollars in debt...DEFLECTION...QLD has destroyed its financial, but nothing to see here.

The WA Premier sticks to his guns about closing the borders to keep the disease out, but not that long ago he was spruiking that Interstate FIFO could bring their families over, settle in WA and financial assistance would be given.

Purpose to convince those from the Eastern States that even though you will live a zillion miles from your family and friends, WA is a great place to live. AGENDA....WA does not have to rely on FIFO.

And using a giant State Origin mentality to peruse those aims.

SAD really.

Might want to fix that link up....

baylover 31st Aug 2020 12:56

Relax, we are Australians, we will recover.

White Knight 31st Aug 2020 20:03


Originally Posted by TurnLeft080
Struth, I thought Marg Thatcher was bad.

She was never bad matey. But she was hard as nails and did what needed doing - with the unions, Scargill, the Argies in '82, helping to end the Cold War (it was the Soviets who christened her the Iron Lady after all) with Reagan and Gorbachov just for starters! Best PM we've ever had in the UK...


Ragnor 31st Aug 2020 21:10


Originally Posted by baylover (Post 10875105)
Relax, we are Australians, we will recover.


There is absolutely no doubt we will recover, I fear that the damage we are doing to our nation and its citizens are far worse than the virus itself.. That's my issue with the border closures they're not required and have certainly divided our nation. I thought we were Australian guess we are not.

blubak 31st Aug 2020 22:57


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10874630)
We will find out October 31st what the residents of the sunshine state really think! Anastasia Cairns stunt this morning of 11 million for projects, just might not be enough when it was reported that QLD tourism industry slated to loose 2.2B by end of the year.

Thats all she can afford,hope all the tourism operators vote for her.

601 31st Aug 2020 23:23


fruit pickers from Vanuatu to travel to the Northern Territory
Are these pickers coming into Oz so that the our unemployed do not miss out on their mango smoothie while eating their smashed avocado in the big smoke?

Ragnor 31st Aug 2020 23:42

International borders are closed which me and no pickers even if Vanuatu allow them to. We can’t have our smashed mango and eat it also.

zanthrus 1st Sep 2020 02:24

I am just ignoring the whole lot and travelling as required for work anywhere they send me.

Green.Dot 1st Sep 2020 08:19

I wonder if any Victorian based airlines/aviation businesses might jump in on this class action?

DA and his incompetent Govt has cost many many jobs and loss of earnings for businesses both in Vic and elsewhere.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/vi...233952091.html

Stickshift3000 1st Sep 2020 08:25

Why stop at state border closures? I imagine there are some power-hungry municipal councils that might wish to close their border... :E

Ridiculous isn’t it? Well, the state closures are no different, just a bigger geographic scale.


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