Nor is he familiar with definitions of words.

For future reference, for everyone here and elsewhere, this is the dictionary definition of the word Socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

As no Australian State Government, including WA, wholly owns the means of production, distribution and exchange (the % of private sector employees is around 13%) then no Australian state, including WA, is even remotely socialist.

Boat Race now gone, Victoria will brief media in the morning. Looks like it’s over for the next few weeks.

Big blow to the QF group here who have considerable capacity at the moment. This is going to hurt.

Speaking of sport may well be all the Aust and India cricketers go straight to Melbourne and Melbourne could hold 2 test matches back to back.

Be careful what you wish for, boyo.

Am I the only one who thinks that all out for 36 has a fishy smell about it?

Am I right in thinking they don't know where the Northern Beaches outbreak originated? The media is usually very quick to blame people returning from overseas or cleaners working at quarantine hotels. The infected hotel shuttle driver doesn't seem to have any connection so where did it come from?

Or opt for:

C. Delaying takeoff until the hazard has passed. The corollary here is of course mandating a hard lock-down until either the threat has passed or is judged to be controlled with low risk. Dice-rolling is only entertaining as a spectator sport, not really when you have actual skin in the game and the rewards don’t outweigh the risks.


This event, while awkwardly timed, was almost always going to happen. A response any less than we had a few weeks ago would be both a slap in the face of the other states and a week-kneed, mamby-pamby undoing of the hard yards we have all slogged through until now. Cannot conjure any more cliches right now, but you get the gist...

Climb 150,
They don’t know but seeing as it’s a US strain you can bet it’s yet another Hotel Quarantine escape. While we import cases into substandard hotel quarantine systems this will repeat again and again. Unless there is a change of policy to get these people into remote quarantine centres 2021 will be a complete repeat of 2021, even with a vaccine in March. Without a doubt lockdowns will start and domestic flying will be back to skeleton within a month. Once the federal government realises they actually need to do something about the international arrivals quarantine system, maybe we will get somewhere, but regardless of your political tendencies, almost everyone would agree Scomo is basically out of his depth and completely incompetent. I’m starting to think this COVID will mirror the Spanish Flu and basically paralyse the world for a good 3-5 years. Perfect for China...🤭

There's only two things that smell like fish......

While they don’t know how the initial two contracted it, hasn’t it spread because of the two entitled boomers who didn’t isolate after their test? Rather they went on a tour of Sydney.

Yes they did. P!$$es me off that these ppl are getting off scott free all the time. These two are going to set us back months potentially

Isnt it different now though with people having it?
The premier has said it would be crazy not wearing 1 on public transport or indoor areas with others around.
U quote nsw as being the best in the world in handling this & i agree however with shopping centres etc jam packed with people,some of whom may have been to the nthn beaches area very recently,wouldnt it be erring on the side of caution to enforce masks as an extra layer of protection?
If this spreads,lots of people will be forced to do a lot more than wear a mask,no need to remind everyone of restrictions currently throughout europe & not very long ago,here in melbourne.
I wouldnt wish that on anyone,just my opinion,it may well be rubbish as u say.

I am not against it, after this Northern beaches outbreak I wish they would make them mandatory for the next few weeks to slow the spread. I also wish they would stop the international arrivals but neither will happen.

It’s stayed awfully quiet which makes me think there’s something to it.

Suspicion by some I know on the NB that it may have been a celebrity/a-lister/elite etc who got to skip regular HQ in favour of a private residence in Palm beach.. but I think that’s just guess work.

sorry but is this confirmed? Link?
ffs

If people want Australia to be a whole country again it’s time for the leader of the country of Australia to do something. The federal government can show initiative and institute remote quarantining, as every outbreak cluster has come from an inner city hotel (likely from this Sydney outbreak too). I warned this would repeat itself after the Adelaide outbreak, but no initiative seems to be taken.

Morrison is a useless leader, we saw this during the bushfires. Ignoring warning from fire chiefs, pissing off to Hawaii, insulting firefighters and claiming “I don’t hold a hose mate”. Well he may not hold a thermometer or hand out masks but if he announced a program of remote quarantine stations it’d be the most effective measure in controlling these outbreaks. Maybe buy one less of those obsolete submarines and start to defend against this actual clear and present danger to the nation.

Indeed. What was Scomo and the Government possibly thinking, not paying attention to your posts PPRuNe?

Ta

frustrating to say the least

No, get rid of the fruitcakes.

The idea of setting up remote quarantine facilities, whilst great in theory, I imagine would be impossible in practice. At the current cap (6000), they would need to accommodate 12 000 people (2 weeks) + maybe hundreds of staff. Even if you split this over many facilities, the logistics would be a nightmare. Many regional towns struggle to attract Doctors during normal times, the ability to find medical and other specialist staff to run these camps would be a challenge. Imagine the NIMBY brigade wherever it would be located. Foreign airlines are unlikely to be prepared to detour to places like ASP (cargo not going there).
The government could charter flights from the capitals to take the great unwashed to these regional places.. but then they would have to get them back again. The cost would be enormous. I think for now the focus should be on closing loopholes and throwing everything at the rapid emergency response. Immediate SMS to everyone in a region where an outbreak has occurred. Ringfencing of outbreak areas (like the northern beaches). No country has successfully 'eliminated' the virus, the vaccine is unlikely to be a smoking gun and we need to learn to adapt to this for at least the next 12 months.

I have seen AFP, NSW state police, army reservists assisting quarantine passengers onto buses with no mask or gloves. And we think the virus is coming from quarantine hotels....or flight crew.....really? There are so many ways this virus can get out.

30 new cases today.

Partial city lockdown, cases still going up- many similarities with the Melbourne outbreak.

I seriously hope it doesn’t continue to mirror it for the whole country’s sake.

Not even close to ML, of those 30 28 are already linked and contained two under investigation. Victoria didn’t have a clue form day dot what or where was occurring.

Shutting down just the Northern Beaches was a joke.

What is that a max of around 40km - any cluster needs an immediate decent shut down 200km radius for 3 or 4 days. We know one of the new cluster got to the Gold Coast and back.

So, if they arrived in-country on December 01, how is it they were not in the 2 weeks mandatory detention given it was detected on what, December 11? Yet another case of money talk$ and bull$hit walk$? "We'll quarantine at our multi-million dollar property at Palm Beach...We promise! :hmm:"

You lot surprise me, outraged that wealthy have a different set of rules. c'mon, get a grip. Outraged a boomer didn't isolate while waiting for a test result, outrage, outrage, outrage. You live in a western democracy with freedom of movement, usually, now you're expecting people to 'do the right thing.' Short of declaring marshal law nothing will change and this **** will go on for years. Your outrage is worthless.

Victoria closing to Sydney and central coast pax from tonight.

Same as SA. Open close open close the standard has been set. Appears no one is prepared to live with it. This is how life will be for the next few yrs get used to it.

Bodie: How about a mandatory year in the slammer for a first offence. Think that might provide some attitude adjustment?

How is a public health order can be breached and no penalty! What’s the point as these two elderly demonstrated.

And get used to being stood up, stood down, stood up, stood down. I feel a great deal of empathy for anybody employed in the airline, hospitality industries etc. Thank christ 'We're all in this together'

Good Idea Sunny, but some guy with a wig will fall for the bleeding heart story that the (insert bull**** sob story here) and wholly suspend the sentence and not record a conviction.

And what chance of getting it through parliament when Minister breaches earlier quarantine and the Premier continued business as usual while waiting for test results.

At no stage do I advocate or brush off the breaching of isolation orders, I've done two of them myself. I merely point out that human behaviour, especially in our type of democracy will always favour self interest. Always. And sometimes that self interest is necessary for survival, like putting food on the table or paying the rent.

Your friend Daniel Andrews has set the precedent when it comes to not charging people for intentional breaches, something about wanting them to be honest about contact they've had with others.

7.30 understands the 13 airline crew fined landed in Sydney on a flight repatriating Australians from South America on Saturday, December 5.

A source told 7.30 that a group of airline staff were caught out and about at a variety of different venues in Mascot when they should have been self-isolating in their hotel rooms.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ation/12997524

Totally understand this point however, if there was a serious & definitive consequence for the breach then perhaps the breach wouldn't happen at all.

Maybe the Govt. can say they won't fine people, but they'll make all the necessary information available to anyone who wants to start a civil action for damages. I can think of a Truck Driver & the cafe's in Regional Victoria he affected. The Cafe's could do with some financial compensation.

A good example of why pilots aren't public health experts and public health experts shouldn't fly planes.

You have a society with no known recent community transmission. You have a choice.

1. Let anybody and everybody freely get tested if asymptomatic or for the most minor nasal tickle or hay fever or other symptoms and allow them to continue on with their lives uninterrupted until their results come back. This way you have a greater chance of picking up something that is unknown circulating, OR
2. Enforce / mandate people to self isolate after every test. The natural consequence of this is that fewer people will submit themselves to testing as it will come at a financial cost (missed work shifts) or inconvenience for up to 36 hours. This allows the virus gets deeper into the community before it is eventually detected.

Which way do you go?

[Note truck drivers intentionally breaking their directions not to enter public places is a different story].

Sorry Compressor Stall, that is a false dichotomy. The first scenario is only true if there is no vector into the community, which isn’t true given the token restrictions on crews and, apparently, wealthy luminaries. The cost to the country far far outweighs the needs of individuals, and there should be proportional (draconian) penalties for non-compliance.

It is absolutely ludicrous to think that you can control human behaviours in a western democracy. Especially when certain groups are disadvantaged more than others. A financial services worker, working from home with no loss of income over the last year as opposed to a casualised security worker relying on every single shift for survival. Then you have the social justice warriors harrassing anyone they feel has ruined their christmas because they were 'reckless' enough to unknowingly catch a virus from another.

Pathetic political responses. Any inbreed can close state borders when a few people catch a virus. These state leaders are lauded by their citizens for 'keeping us safe.' I would have thought that if citizens are given the right tools that they could 'keep themselves safe' but apparently personal responsibility doesn't exist as a concept anymore.

You can apologise all you like but even if there are vectors into the community every couple of months it is a given that people who will suffer financial hardship or inconvenience during the wait for a test result will not as willingly subject themselves to a test. We all know how this virus can present anywhere on the spectrum from nothing to hacking coughs and worse. Those who are asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic are the most dangerous and should have no disincentive to test.