So Sydney is shut out from the rest of ‘Australia’ because of two self entitled boomers. Just another way that generation has f@&ked this country. Well done dickheads you should be in prison.

And once again Aviation cops the brunt. My employer will lose half its capacity across its network from this. Thousands back on stand down for who knows how long.

We then need to wait for weeks of zero transmission until the states open the doors again. It is now February.

We can only hope the outbreak has been contained to NSW otherwise we will be back to the skeleton schedules. It further erodes people confidence to book trips when these sudden outbreaks occur.

Joshy might want to get his revisit the maths from last week

Who are these two people? I understood the original source has not been found.

Don’t be to concerned yet of months of stand down etc. As the NSW premier said today 30 cases sounds bad but, it’s not all bad news all within Northern beaches 28 are linked to the RSL 2 under investigation. Hopefully tomorrow if there are still high numbers they’re all in the same LGA. One things I have seen is the compliance of ppl to stay home in the last 3 days which is encouraging. Just like the Parafield cluster this Northern beaches cluster will be short lived and just a bump in the road.

Gladys and Hazzard have said there will be outbreaks along the way so NSW has not let its guard down and was prepared. WA is not prepared and ran for the hills on the first sniff. The other states for the first time I agree closing to SY but I hope they don’t close for months if the numbers settle by end of the yr.

Nobody likes a boomer, but........it's more than likely an aviation industry worker that spread it.

And you're blaming the wrong boomers (or gen x'ers) for the shutdowns.

According to NSW CHO Dr Kerry Chant:
If they arrived 01 December they would (should) have been in hotel quarantine until December 15. So how did this particular strain get out & about on the Northern Beaches on December 10/11? And why mention about "checking their room after they left" if it was already in the community before they should have left quarantine?

To me, it's either someone who is allowed to quarantine at home as part of their normal duties, or some boomer who bought their way out of quarantine and in doing so, thought the rest of the rules didn't apply to them.

They showed why they're so shyte-scared of it though! They can't handle the testing rate required! Their test centers were turning people away at an overall testing-rate of only 2,000 per day "4x the normal rate" says Mark McGoose. Hell, if you can't handle 2,000 tests a day, and are only averaging 500/day normally it's no wonder you'll want to keep people out. I shudder to think what'd happen if it does get into the WA community! NSW runs around 10,000 tests/day in normal times. 20x the number of WA tests, but with only 3x the population. And McGoose want's to lecture Gladys on how things should be done? Pfft!

There were two people, a 60 year old and a 70 year old, who had symptoms, got tested, were ordered to quarantine and didn’t. Instead they went on a tour of the northern beaches including the Avalon rsl and bowlo. This has been well documented.

i accept that how they contracted it is still a mystery.

however, because of the selfishness and sense of entitlement of these two (yes they are boomers...gen x 1965...) the outbreak worsened when it shouldnt have, at least not to the current extent.

these two should be Locked up. I make no apologies for singling them out as boomers. As gen x myself, I’ve followed them my whole life, and seen the massive windfalls that have come their way, that no current generation will ever see. It’s like a drug for them. They always want more. And they want the following generations to pay for it. When this all kicked off in March, in my area, everyone was doing the right thing. Distancing, staying home etc...everyone except the boomers who were out mingling with their friends. Saw it first hand. No distancing. Nothing.
my parents are disgusted at their own generation. Because of these two. Thousands of xmas’s, including my own family’s, are ruined. Haven’t seen them since January. And now won’t.

Edit...small number of boomers giving the rest a bad name. :cool::p

I love optimism as much as the next guy, but every time a city/state/country believes things are getting under control...right on cue we get a flare up of differing severity. Question is, while maybe this one will be small and controlled there is no assurance the next one will be and I would wager there will be more to come.

All it takes is a severe super spreader event and a whole bunch more of us will likely not return to the skies anytime in the near future and for some maybe never as a bunch of QF and VA folk sadly have experienced. It'a a fragile little industry and until a vaccine is widely available and actually fully effective against the virus and mutation, any job security in the airlines are going to be minimal at best.

I wonder if it is possible to find out who the 60 and 70yo are and if it would be possible to take a civil case against them for loss of income, business etc?

Just thinking.

Quarantining infectious returned travellers in capital cities has to stop - now. It has been proven 3 times that the risks simply cannot be managed.

If the aviation industry had failed to learn from its mistakes in a similar manner there would be smoking holes off the end of every runway daily.

TGA needs to expedite vaccine approval. If efficacious vaccines have been approved by reputable overseas regulators, it shouldn't take until January for approval and March for first doses to be administered.

This is getting harder to take every time it happens. Personally, this one has knocked me around worse than the last couple. There was such optimism a few days ago and we have managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, for the same reason. Again.

If they get it under control in quick time, then yes it will be a bump in the road for most of society.

But it’s no bump in the road for domestic aviation. Unless your definition of a bump is the bucket kicked down the road 2 months minimum.

And unlike Adelaide, Sydney/Melbourne are crucial to stand up a large majority of the aviation network across the country.

This bloke is a complete ****wit. Clueless.

As a Sydney based Pilot, I’m waiting the stand down! It is a bump in the road as long as the rest of the country is open the effects on other bases will be there but not total stand downs. If I get a 2 month stand down well that’s how it is but the business is earning money and we will all have something to go back to.

Anyone else who is in Sydney with the scaremongering others had spread that domestic will be dead for a long time, zoom will be the new way etc welll there has been plenty of travelers and a tonne of business people.

Operations from all airlines now starting to cancel flights into SYD.

Silver lining? More work to be done by Australian based crew/airlines?.

West Aussies will be enjoying the lead up to Christmas in near total freedom, certain residents of Sydney won’t. You think the average West Aussie would rather Gladys in charge?

You know there’s an entire community of people outside of aviation who get to vote right?

No remote quarantine is not too difficult, the Federal Gov needs to get off their bums and organise something, forget the quotas, you bring in as many as safely possible. Can’t get workers? Pay them 150k salary, you will get workers. Pay for domestic flights around the country once the arrivals are out of quarantine. You bet it’s expensive but this stop start crap will dwarf the costs of a proper remote quarantine system. Vaccine ain’t gonna bring relief anytime soon, at best the end of 21, do we want another year of Stop Starting of the economy? I’ve been advocating remote quarantine since May last year, I think after every bloody state goes through the same mistakes eventually it might come next year. Unless Scomo actually uses initiative and does something for once.

There is practically no social distancing going on during Christmas shopping and poor application of the three. If it gets into WA, they're cactus.

That's awesome for you. What comes across quite often from West Australians is the smug 'we're in near total freedom.' Well you've got that because you've got an insular clown who is lucky enough to have remote borders and a state that virtually no Australian wants to be in apart from West Australians. Your state has always had a massive chip on its shoulder and you now see payback. What Mc****wit does, anybody could do. What Gladys, Hazzard & Chant does is try and manage the virus holistically, it's obvious they are trying to manage the virus, the economy and people's mental health.

I'm in NSW at the moment, I've been caught up in lockdowns but am fortunate enough to have escaped most of it, I wouldn't be anywhere else, I'm lucky, I'm with family. I'd take Gladys in charge any day than a smug ****wit who's lucky enough to have the natural resources to keep a state afloat. Face it, you've got nothing else, a backwater really. If you left the federation no one would care.

I didn’t expect anything less. I think January is cactus for NSW based crew. Even for McIdiot over in the West and Dictator Dan who had a smug smirk on his face whilst very proudly locking Sydney out will feel the effects. QLD TAS and SA well those poor ppl will be ruined. Like it or not or want to accept it Sydney/NSW really prop up the tourism/travel industry. I’ve seen it first hand in the last two months.

Gladys and the NSW CMO were a bit mousy about who was and wasn't exempt from quarantine requirements. There might be some fuel here.

Department Of Foreign Affairs staff not required to quarantine on arrival.

The amount of aircraft based in Melbourne and Brisbane that cycle in/out of a Sydney is quite significant. Sydney gone and up to half the work for some carriers from Sydney and Melbourne bases also.

Victoria out of action was not as severe, lost a limb. We have lost the guts essentially here.

Why have people got a problem with government officials, military being exempt from the hotel quarantine FFS.

I thought Gladys' 'Gold standard' contact tracing would save the day?

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I'm in NSW at the moment, I've been caught up in lockdowns but am fortunate enough to have escaped most of it, I wouldn't be anywhere else, I'm lucky, I'm with family. I'd take Gladys in charge any day than a smug ****wit who's lucky enough to have the natural resources to keep a state afloat. Face it, you've got nothing else, a backwater really. If you left the federation no one would care.[QUOTE=Bodie1;10950813

Ahhh yes that backwater with the natural resources.....which requires a huge aviation sector, with hundreds of pilots of who have managed to keep their jobs / hours thanks to Covid being kept out of the state. We might not be flying around in flash new A380s etc, but flying the clapped out F100s, Dash 8s, 146s gives many junior pilots that first leg up in the commercial sector and has been the only bright spot during this whole Covid business.

Its been three days mate. If this was Victoria it would be 300 already we have all seen it before. Contact tracing has at least identified all origins except 3. Patient zero which they suspect has left the country and the two today which are not a concern as they are in the LGA of the original cluster.

Sydney being out of action will have a big effect on airline/tourism but not the same as pre October as at least Vic SA TAS NT QLD can travel. But they will all notice NSW/SY not traveling.

it may still. However the borders, now they’re shut aren’t opening for a few weeks minimum. Damage done. Unfortunate timing.

When the heat is off and he can point the blame at someone else, he’s almost giddy with glee! There’ll be a puff piece in the papers about how he’d never let his mother go to Sydney or some other PR garbage...the cult of Dan is alive and well in Victoria province.

Even though I’ve probably done it myself.....

..... maybe time for us all to cool off a bit. The conversation is getting a bit heated and it’s becoming a case of state v state, left v right, Lib v lab, no one would miss you if you left etc. It’s been bad enough this year without anonymous people in the industry we’re meant to have a lifelong passion for yelling at each other for no real benefit.

Let’s just be thankful at Christmas we don’t have a country with an out of control pandemic raging and people dying en masse.

Enough of the interstate animosity already. Its juvenile.

Standard practice to throw up a cordon around affected areas. Its called containment.

Or would you prefer all areas affected?

Chances are, every state will have its turn at an outbreak.

If it can be limited to one state at a time, the nation as a whole can continue to function and provide support for the affected state.

Already see a difference between Dan and Gladys.

Dan is Labor = hard lockdown = sever the economy.
Gladys is Liberal = minimal lockdown = keep the economy flowing.

Interesting contrast. Time will tell what's the best option.

Alternately, Hard Border = NO lockdown = economy unaffected

Except we all know its not that simple in any of the examples given.

If you don’t want to be in WA.. don’t come here. Why all the anger?

If you don’t want to be in WA.. don’t come here. Why all the anger?

unaffected for some particularly if selling rocks to.
china. Resource companies run WA.

As the night goes on .. it looks like not only WA is closing the border to NSW.

it still will. It’s only 4 days since the cluster became evident. There were 30 new cases yesterday, 28 which were immediately linked to the cluster and 2 more that weren’t far away from.

For perspective in Vics 2nd wave Dan started locking down suburbs when the daily new cases hit 75 and more than half of those had no known link, the response here by Gladys has been much quicker.

The short memories I’ve seen by some victorians have been incredible. Especially considering NSW took ALL their HQ arrivals so that they could sort out their backyard and gave every opportunity for them to get on top of.. it wasn’t until new cases were in the hundreds that the border was shut last time.

2 days of low double figures and you’ve got Dan joining the rest of the border idiots. Way to help your mates..

Nobody in their right mind wants any borders closed,its time people saw the real reason for their closure instead of going some ridiculous revenge theory.
Nobody can deny how well NSW has managed this virus & even now despite not making masks mandatory they are doing everything to get it under control as quickly as possible.
Instead of accusing Andrews of being happy about closing the border & smirking as he announced it why not consider the massive risk involved if he doesnt.
The flow of people heading south would be out of control & if just a couple of them were infected it could well be the start of another disaster here in vic.
The anger of NSW people should be directed at the 2 boomers who thought the law didnt apply to them,they need to be singled out & made pay in the highest way possible.
Lots of people in vic dont like Andrews as im sure lots in nsw dont like Gladys but we have to accept their decisions & here in vic we have paid dearly for 1 really bad decision he made but right now i think the vast majority support his decision to close the border & in reality the option of doing nothing could spell disaster.
Lets hope the numbers over the next few days let us all enjoy xmas in the best way.

I couldn't agree more, these two need to have the full extent of the law thrown at them. I still don't understand the point of public health orders if there is no retribution for breaking them. They are meaningless really.