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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
(Post 11032024)
Originally Posted by morno
We administer drugs and vaccines all the time that have risks attached to them, much higher than these new vaccines. The contraceptive pill for example, a ****load higher risk of developing blood clots than the AZ vaccine.
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Under 50 can still get the AZ vaccine. Just have to sign a disclaimer. Get the jab open the world.
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Covid cases are surging in quarantine across the country, numbers are higher than ever before.....and also covid transmissions occurring in hotels.....
I personally think we need to pause Indian arrivals as NZ has done. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11032049)
Covid cases are surging in quarantine across the country, numbers are higher than ever before.....and also covid transmissions occurring in hotels.....
I personally think we need to pause Indian arrivals as NZ has done. |
There are 2 options; you get the vaccine, or you will get COVID without vaccine protection. Both have risk and that's up for you and hopefully your doctor to decide.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11032039)
Fortunately, my employer - a multi-billion $$, multi-national, has come out and told their staff they will not be forced to choose between a vaccine and a job. They have said it should be up to the individual to decide, so barring McGoose mandating it as a condition of entry to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Westralia I can continue to let others field-test the vaccines.
True that, but, by and large, with existing vaccines & drugs they are known risks, assessed and identified over many years, if not decades. The Covid vaccines, all of them, carry the threat of unknown risks and that is the problem. Blood clotting was not considered a risk of the vaccine until it was. There was no risk of giving the AZ vaccine to <50's, until there was! And now, even if I wanted to, I can't get the AZ vaccine as I'm under 50, so the risk of blood clots is presumably higher than the risk of contracting Covid & dying from it. Another words, ScoMo wanted to be seen to be doing the right thing because if even 1 person died, he’d cop an earful from all the misinformed and anti vaxxers saying they should have stopped it. Whereas (I don’t have the info nor could I be arsed looking), ordinarily on a day to day basis people are probably getting reactions to many other vaccines that we’ve used for years. Why do you think you have to sit around for 15 minutes after a vaccine and the nursing staff are trained in things like advanced life support etc.? It’s turning out to be the biggest unnecessary media driven misinformation vaccine rollout in history :rolleyes: Just get the f***ing jab so we can carry on with life |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11032039)
Fortunately, my employer - a multi-billion $$, multi-national, has come out and told their staff they will not be forced to choose between a vaccine and a job. They have said it should be up to the individual to decide, so barring McGoose mandating it as a condition of entry to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Westralia I can continue to let others field-test the vaccines.
True that, but, by and large, with existing vaccines & drugs they are known risks, assessed and identified over many years, if not decades. The Covid vaccines, all of them, carry the threat of unknown risks and that is the problem. Blood clotting was not considered a risk of the vaccine until it was. There was no risk of giving the AZ vaccine to <50's, until there was! And now, even if I wanted to, I can't get the AZ vaccine as I'm under 50, so the risk of blood clots is presumably higher than the risk of contracting Covid & dying from it. |
I think we need to pause ALL arrivals. Cases in HQ are rising and spread is happening If you can get to Australia by your own means, they have to let you in. Boat, private aircraft etc. |
If AZ was the only Vaccine available I highly doubt any Governments would be making a fuss over the extremely rare side effects... however, AZ has been highly politicised in EU AND there are (arguably better) alternatives so here we are. It's easy for a Politician to score brownie points with the masses when there's another Vaccine to fall back on.
Purely from a numbers perspective, you're more likely to suffer career ending complications from the Virus than you are from the Vaccine. People love to quote the survival rate of COVID, but always conveniently leave out the numbers of people suffering long term complications which would prevent them from holding a Class 1 Medical. Ironically, (or not) one of those long term effects from COVID is Blood clots. Someone (possibly in another thread) mentioned they've lost their medical due to Vaccine complications... which if true, is a ****ty thing to have happen to an individual. (Also, if true, I expect IFALPA and other Industry bodies will be issuing a warning shortly) But the exact same scenario could of played out if that person caught COVID and developed lung damage from it, or became a suffer of "Long COVID" which appears to similar to Chronic fatigue syndrome. Finally: True that, but, by and large, with existing vaccines & drugs they are known risks, assessed and identified over many years, if not decades. The Covid vaccines, all of them, carry the threat of unknown risks and that is the problem. Blood clotting was not considered a risk of the vaccine until it was. There was no risk of giving the AZ vaccine to <50's, until there was! And now, even if I wanted to, I can't get the AZ vaccine as I'm under 50, so the risk of blood clots is presumably higher than the risk of contracting Covid & dying from it. This is, and always has been, the reality of medical testing. The extremely rare side effects don't become apparent until mass adoption because you simply cannot get a large enough sample size from clinical trials. This might give cause for some to be hesitant, as an old friend of mine used to say (Retired Surgeon) "You never want to be to the first or the last to prescribe a certain drug", but the reality is, we don't know what we don't know. So yes, in effect, we're all guinea pigs (those who have been Vaccinated) but for a Drug that's successfully passed Phase 3 trials, you're more likely yo get hit by a bus stumbling back to your layover hotel at 2am than you are dying from the Vaccine. You're also far more likely to experience life long complications (or death) from the Virus than you are for the Vaccine. Small comfort to those negatively impacted by the Vaccine I know... but there was never going to be a version of any Vaccine (or Medication) that didn't cause some form of side effects in someone when you're distributing it world wide. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11032064)
I think we need to pause ALL arrivals. Cases in HQ are rising and spread is happening. If we are not careful borders will be shutting again.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300284846/australian-man-from-victoria-catches-covid19-in-perth-quarantine-hotel
A Victorian man contracted Covid-19 in a Perth quarantine hotel before travelling to Melbourne this week. The man arrived in Melbourne on April 21 and was advised immediately upon his arrival that he was deemed a close contact of a positive case because the virus was transmitting on the man’s hotel floor. As a result, he travelled directly home and has been isolating ever since, Victoria’s Health Minister Martin Foley said. The man received his positive test result on Friday morning in Victoria. |
From the ABC News site: All passengers on Qantas flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.
Just goes to show how changeable this whole thing can be in a very short time. Things could well get a lot worse but let's hope not!!! |
Originally Posted by RodH
(Post 11032592)
From the ABC News site: All passengers on Qantas flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.
Just goes to show how changeable this whole thing can be in a very short time. Things could well get a lot worse but let's hope not!!! Lets now see the media who have no hesitation in sticking it into the victorian govt whenever they have an opportunity do exactly the same to Mcgowan & friends. The hotel that this happened in(mercure) was recently identified as possibly the worst hotel in the quarantine system & should not be used. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11032604)
Yes,lets hope not.
Lets now see the media who have no hesitation in sticking it into the victorian govt whenever they have an opportunity do exactly the same to Mcgowan & friends. The hotel that this happened in(mercure) was recently identified as possibly the worst hotel in the quarantine system & should not be used. It again comes back to the wider issue of HQ, with leaks in both NSW and WA over the last week.....but lets just keep patching up the holes instead of coming up with a better solution |
And everyone knows what the best solution is, but they just keep kicking the can down the road.
Dedicated quarantine facilities should have been constructed 1 year ago by the Feds, Hotels are totally inadequate for quarantining people with a highly transmissible via aerosol virus. This is going to blow up in our face if we aren’t careful.......9 identified in HQ in Adelaide yesterday, 13 in Darwin today (with dozens of close contacts on same flight) The cost of building dedicated facilities in most states last year will dwarf 2 years of lockdowns... |
Indeed, how long would it take to build a Howard Springs type facility with individual cabins with their own AC units located on the outskirts of our major cities. 6 weeks?
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Standby at 1.30 WST for press conference from Mark McGowan. Rumours here of lock down and border closure.
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Stop ALL flights from India NOW.
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11032630)
Stop ALL flights from India NOW.
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McGowans going to be walking a economic tight-rope if he wants to keep going down the lock-down route
AFR 23/4 shortage of truck and train drivers is playing havoc with wheat exports out of Western Australia as the nation’s farmers look to regain lost ground in key markets. CBH, consistently Australia’s biggest grain exporter from four ports on the WA coast, has fallen well behind on its shipping schedule – to the growing frustration of overseas customers. The supply chain disruption comes with Australian wheat in demand in south-east Asia and other markets where Russian farmers had seized market share. Russia opened the door for Australia by putting an export tax on its wheat at the start of the year in a bid to rein in domestic inflation. CBH chief operations manager Ben Macnamara said the co-operative, controlled by 3700 WA farmers, had been hit by a shortage of truck drivers and train drivers were also in short supply. Diversified mining services company Mineral Resources cited truck driver shortages in WA last week after missing guidance on iron ore exports. Rio Tinto and gold miner Northern Star have also put the spotlight on labour and skill shortages in WA in handing down quarterly results in the past few days. CBH targets a four-day turnaround for vessels calling into its ports but that has blown out to more than 10 days, although the delays vary across its vast grain storage and handling network. ‘‘The trucking issue has been exacerbated by not being able to get access to trucks from the east coast, which we have probably been assisted by over the last few years,’’ Mr Macnamara said. ‘‘The big crop over there means there is a lot of demand for truck drivers on the east coast as well. Obviously the COVID restrictions have stopped people coming into the state.’’ Premier Mark McGowan has shut down WA borders and imposed mandatory 14-day quarantine conditions for interstate visitors in response to any level of community spread in the rest of Australia. Mr Macnamara said WA’s trucking capacity had been sucked into the buoyant resources sector. As well as demand from the resources giants, two small iron ore producers have started trucking ore into Geraldton, the northern most port used by CBH, for export. CBH only resumed exports from Geraldton on Tuesday after a seven-day shutdown caused by Cyclone Seroja that added to its shipment backlog. The co-operative carts a lot of grain to ports via rail but is also facing a shortage of train drivers, on top of the scarcity in truckers. CBH’s rail operations were hit by bushfires in February, followed by floods and then a Pacific National freight train derailment on the line leading into its main port of Kwinana. The delays getting grain from farms and upcountry storage sites to port have had a cumulative effect at a time when CBH ports are booked solid by customers. GrainCorp’s seven east coast port terminals are also near fully booked until the end of September on the back of a bumper harvest and strong overseas demand, but its haulage task hasn’t been as challenging as in the west. The driver shortage is not just limited to the country’s west, said Roger Fletcher, who operates one of WA’s biggest abattoirs and also runs a diversified meat processing, wool, cotton and grain businesses from headquarters at Dubbo in NSW. ‘‘We are short of truck drivers. I have got three trucks down at my grain terminals and I can’t get drivers,’’ he said. |
3 day lockdown starting midnight.
it makes no sense. “Health Advise” says you can’t go to the footy tomorrow but you CAN go to the basketball tonight. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11032662)
3 day lockdown starting midnight.
Also considering the number of returned travellers testing positive recently,why arent they put in quarantine & tested before being allowed to travel here. Scomo is so p... weak. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11032662)
3 day lockdown starting midnight.
it makes no sense. “Health Advise” says you can’t go to the footy tomorrow but you CAN go to the basketball tonight. nothing that idiot does makes sense. But the sheeple will keep on lovin him. Idiots. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11032621)
Indeed, how long would it take to build a Howard Springs type facility with individual cabins with their own AC units located on the outskirts of our major cities. 6 weeks?
Though that’s not accounting for Australian exceptionalism and government inefficiencies... Overall cost to do one of Howard springs size probably less to the economy than a single 3 day lockdown for a capital city. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11032666)
He needs to explain why this hotel is being used & also how this guy got covid,hes been very quick in the past to tell us all how good he is so why stop now.
Also considering the number of returned travellers testing positive recently,why arent they put in quarantine & tested before being allowed to travel here. Scomo is so p... weak. Piss weak leadership Why did the feds not take control of hotel quarantine from the start? Scomo may as well have been in Hawaii for the last 12 months. |
According to the Government Health Web site.. all people travelling to Australia MUST show proof of a negative test at check in. Seems something is going very wrong or there a lot of fake test results about!!
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11032714)
According to the Government Health Web site.. all people travelling to Australia MUST show proof of a negative test at check in. Seems something is going very wrong or there a lot of fake test results about!!
Hundreds with fake COVID certificates trying to enter UK every week |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11032621)
Indeed, how long would it take to build a Howard Springs type facility with individual cabins with their own AC units located on the outskirts of our major cities. 6 weeks?
To ramp up and build more? Demountable style, not long. There are hundreds ready to go and be wired, plumbed, etc. The issue is the staff to run the centers, medical, blah blah blah. Avalalon - Ok Mr Fox build it and they will come (and gov $). Wellcamp - Ok Mr Wagner build it and they will come (and gov $). Hang on the above makes wayyyyyyyy to much sense! Oh and it doesn’t help the hotels... then again nor does lockdowns, or hang on do the gov pay upfront? |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11032714)
According to the Government Health Web site.. all people travelling to Australia MUST show proof of a negative test at check in. Seems something is going very wrong or there a lot of fake test results about!!
All this government does is talk talk talk,they are morons if they cant see whats happening each & every day & putting us all at risk with their incompetence. |
There is no issue to staff quarantine centres, pay a good rate and they will come. Anyway all the quarantine centres Australia had until the 1970’s were all on the outskirts of major cities not in the middle of nowhere. There needed to be a way to get patients to hospitals quickly if their conditions deteriorated. This is actually getting beyond a joke, the federal health gurus still refuse to admit that this is an aerosol borne transmittable virus, that’s just laughable, the events of the last week just prove this incompetence. Combined with a cluster of a vaccine rollout this could very badly blow up in our face and put us back to 1 year ago,, but worse!
I don’t believe in banning people from India but let’s mitigate it, high risk returnees should NEVER be allowed to quarantine in a flawed hotel quarantine system, they should go to Howard Springs or other Cabin style quarantine if it ever gets built. Im just frustrated that we keep making the same mistakes again and again when there were experts advising Hotel Quarantine is a SHORT term solution in April last year.....:ugh: |
NZ has just closed to WA
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No 'wuckin furries' Mr Sops, # 4467,
'Tis only the 'shockers' (8 on de ladder) v the roos, wooden spooners so far....Don't fret. 'TIs ONLY a Game.... And YEP...I told the kidlets NOT to throw away those masks... Chheeerrrsss... |
Really? Some don’t understand you can test negative before you get on the plane and then subsequently develop Covid. There are a lot of unknowns in this but that ain’t one of them.
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The thread's going down party lines again! :rolleyes:
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So a city of two million people is “locked down” because one person tested positive for a virus with a 98% survival rate?
When will this madness end? Why are we accepting this? When did flatten the curve became complete elimination? |
Sri Mr Buster....Troo....
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11032803)
So a city of two million people is “locked down” because one person tested positive for a virus with a 98% survival rate?
When will this madness end? Why are we accepting this? When did flatten the curve became complete elimination? Remind me to stop travelling to these idiotic dictator-controlled states (WA, VIC, QLD). Getting sick of being caught up in stupid lockdowns. Can we just let Gladys (and any other adults if there are any) run the show? |
Got to love McClown. I wonder if the ppl there are tired of bis antics also.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11033060)
Got to love McClown. I wonder if the ppl there are tired of bis antics also.
Why don’t the Wagner’s and a couple of other deep pocketed citizens get together and build a quarantine facility anyway. You know for the good of the country. Packer should pitch in. He needs some good publicity. Gerry Harvey could donate what he received from jobkeeper. Twiggy? The leadership vacuum is no longer a joke so get on with it. I’ll pitch in with some free labour. FFS would someone make decision. |
Every time that there is a release from a quarantine hotel, it seems that there are big gaps in the explanations given.
When specifics are omitted you can't hep but wonder whether it isn't deliberate obfuscation. For instance, this person entered Australia from Shanghai and after release from quarantine visited the UWA campus on several occasions before departing for Melbourne. No other details were given which lead to a rumour circulating around that he was neither an Australian citizen nor resident. The question of whether that is true or not could have been countered by simply including in the press releases that he was a "returning Australian resident", but it wasn't. Why not? Similarly, it has been announced that of the other 24 people on the same floor as the infected person, five have already left the country. What the heck is that about? People are now flying into Australia to spend a little relaxation time in quarantine and then flying out again? C'mon people, we don't want or need to start a racial backlash, but a few more details might make the explanation a lot easier to swallow. Or not. |
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