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Turnleft080 18th Jul 2020 08:00

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/04/t...al-distancing/

Oh wait their's more.

In today's HeraldSun 18/07/20 page 32 paragraph 5 half way down. Quote "While Australia has drawn widespread praise globally for its initial reaction,
broad lockdowns are not the best way to fight renewed outbreaks, according to experts from Europe, Britain, the US, and the WHO." end quote.

I take it no one at the HearldSun proof read the article or advised any government minister for publishing the article. Surely they have egg on there face now.
Sutton and Andrews are treating us no different to lab rats. We are an experiment.
Remember his language about 2 weeks ago, "if you walk outside your front door you will kill people or yourself. This is a very deadly decease.
What you should of said Dan is ' if you walk outside your front door you have a 99.7% chance of not dying and a 0.3% chance of dying.
In the wash up they will be found out.



Turnleft080 18th Jul 2020 08:30

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/

If you scroll down you will come up to the following.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

So I look at people with face masks on and I see people that have been brain washed by governments.
They have no effect. Thank you cdc.

Buster Hyman 18th Jul 2020 08:33

How on Earth will they be able to make exorbitant profits out of masks if you keep posting things like that TL80? :=

Turnleft080 18th Jul 2020 08:52


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 10840300)
How on Earth will they be able to make exorbitant profits out of masks if you keep posting things like that TL80? :=

They can go back to what they were originally manufacturing, curtains and underwear.

morno 18th Jul 2020 10:47


Originally Posted by stickshaken (Post 10840063)
I see yet another flurry of international arrivals into Sydney airport this morning. Most from China, China Eastern - Air China - China Southern to name a few.
Are we missing something here ?

No. Theyíre mostly freight with possibly a few pax who go into mandatory quarantine. Donít bother with conspiracy theories

currawong 18th Jul 2020 11:36

This would seem to be topical.

Warning: science


Stickshift3000 18th Jul 2020 12:47


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840275)
In today's HeraldSun 18/07/20 page 32 paragraph 5 half way down. Quote "While Australia has drawn widespread praise globally for its initial reaction, broad lockdowns are not the best way to fight renewed outbreaks, according to experts from Europe, Britain, the US, and the WHO”.

Yeah because things have worked out so well in Europe, Britain & the US...

Bend alot 18th Jul 2020 12:47

Good to see NSW and Victorians take things seriously .

Grow up!

Australopithecus 18th Jul 2020 22:12


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10840437)
This would seem to be topical.

Warning: science

https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc

Thanks for posting that. I have now become a superspreader of that video.

Turnleft080 18th Jul 2020 23:28


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10840809)
Thanks for posting that. I have now become a superspreader of that video.

Yep, seems to be working 1 in 10 wearing them this morning when I went shopping and a few with their noses exposed.



Bodie1 18th Jul 2020 23:45

He had me right up to the point he said 'We're all in this together.'

Stop the video at 7:18 and you won't hear the nauseating, vomit inducing drivel, but still get a very good message.

HabuHunter 19th Jul 2020 00:11

Thanks for posting the vid on mask wearing Currawong. But it does not tell the whole story.

The video shows excellent footage of how masks stifle the airflow. There is no debate as to whether a mask slows down and blocks the airflow of the breath...of course it does.
However there is more to consider than just airflow.

The strict scientific studies on the effectiveness of masks show conflicting results except for masks worn in professional medical settings. In other words, we just donít know if widespread mask wearing by the general population will makes things better .....or worse.

A big problem is that masks should only be touched twice, once when putting on and once when taking off. Most people constantly touch their masks, and then touch other things, potentially spreading the virus even more than if they hadnít worn the mask.

The video below shows two Professors talking about masks and the need for evidence based decision making. They donít advocate mask wearing based on the available scientific studies.



Chronic Snoozer 19th Jul 2020 01:13


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840298)
So I look at people with face masks on and I see people that have been brain washed by governments.

I donít. I see people with a willingness to understand the situation, a preparedness to act in the best interests of themselves, their loved ones and others, and a level of trust that the health experts advising the governments are best placed to provide guidance on best practice.

COVID 19 deaths thus far approx. 600K in 7 months or so. Arguably thatís about 2800-3000 deaths per day, 2-3 times a higher rate than influenza, for which there is a vaccine AND which is not a coronavirus, and that is in spite of the application varying degrees of lockdown, social distancing and increased emphasis on hygiene.

Australopithecus 19th Jul 2020 01:13


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840846)
Yep, seems to be working 1 in 10 wearing them this morning when I went shopping and a few with their noses exposed.

And you were of course one of them, right?

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 01:17

As of Wed it is now compulsory. Dan has now full operational control of your life.
Hope you can breath people. Like a tax it won't come off.

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 01:20


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10840893)
And you were of course one of them, right?

99.7%.

You have a better chance of getting run over than getting covid.

morno 19th Jul 2020 01:23

Geez youíre a fu**wit. Believe in chemtrails too?

Stay away from my family so they donít catch Covid

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 01:29


Originally Posted by morno (Post 10840901)
Geez youíre a fu**wit. Believe in chemtrails too?

Stay away from my family so they donít catch Covid

No problem. Will do. Stay away from bowl cancer as well 120 died this week.

rattman 19th Jul 2020 01:31


Originally Posted by morno (Post 10840901)
Geez youíre a fu**wit. Believe in chemtrails too?

Stay away from my family so they donít catch Covid


To keep up with the chem trail quota now that planes are grounded they have impregnated masks with the chemtrail chemicals. Dictator dan is working for the illuminati

JustinHeywood 19th Jul 2020 01:47


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840903)
.... Stay away from bowl cancer as well 120 died this week.


Yikes! I'll stay away from bowls of all descriptions from now on - and I'll definitely be following your advice for all things medical / epidemiological.

currawong 19th Jul 2020 02:02

"Despite being close to China, Taiwan has stopped the COVID-19 with general screening strategy and encouraging people in Taiwan to wear a mask"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7270822/

I would hasten to add that disregarding information coming from China and the WHO in the early stages seems to have played a role in their success...

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 02:52


Since this is a youtube day
We gonna mask you all the way
Do you think Dan is making a lie
Of course not we want you to mentally die.

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 04:07


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10837782)
Turnleft080...

Also...your assertion that a gas permeable mask somehow reduces your O2 intake is as astonishing as it is wrong.

https://www.technocracy.news/blayloc...o-the-healthy/

Australopithecus: Again, we need all the O2 we can get. Why block it. It's your life support.

dr dre 19th Jul 2020 04:37


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840920)
Since this is a youtube day
We gonna mask you all the way
Do you think Dan is making a lie
Of course not we want you to mentally die.

Countries in east Asia where mask wearing is prominent and cases per 1 million people:
Vietnam 4
Taiwan 19
Thailand 46
China 58
Japan 191
Hong Kong 237
South Korea 268
Malaysia 271

Now some selected non East Asian countries:
Germany 2417
Italy 4039
UK 4331
Russia 5245
Israel 5367
Sweden 7650
USA 11577
Chile 17195

So whatever East Asian countries are doing its undeniable theyíre doing better than comparable first world Western countries. And part of this must be related to greater acceptance of mask wearing, which was prominent culturally in Asia even before this pandemic.

Asian collectivist mindset and greater emphasis on social wellbeing rather than western culture of individual rights and resistance to authority may be the explanation.

So whilst some here may say mask wearing is the sign of a dictator enforcing brutal authority on the populace, those of more Asian mindset will probably say itís the sign of effective government leadership and a society all willing to chip in for the greater good.



Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 04:56

So whilst some here may say mask wearing is the sign of a dictator enforcing brutal authority on the populace, those of more Asian mindset will probably say it’s the sign of effective government leadership and a society all willing to chip in for the greater good.[/QUOTE]

During BLM they wanted to change the name of the state of Victoria.
People's Not so Democratic Socialist Republic of Danastan.

Right I want you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and you please come over here.
That will be a $200 fine for being maskless. You do not have the right for appeal. It must be paid in 48 hours.
Do I make myself clear.



currawong 19th Jul 2020 05:46

If it means the airline pilots can get their jobs back, I'll do it.


HabuHunter 19th Jul 2020 06:18


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10840947)
Countries in east Asia where mask wearing is prominent and cases per 1 million people:
Vietnam 4
Taiwan 19
Thailand 46
China 58
Japan 191
Hong Kong 237
South Korea 268
Malaysia 271

Now some selected non East Asian countries:
Germany 2417
Italy 4039
UK 4331
Russia 5245
Israel 5367
Sweden 7650
USA 11577
Chile 17195

So whatever East Asian countries are doing its undeniable theyíre doing better than comparable first world Western countries. And part of this must be related to greater acceptance of mask wearing, which was prominent.

Dr Dre, you canít use those statistics to say the reason must be related to mask wearing. It may or it may not be the case.
Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of reasons that might explain why Asia is fairing better. First off, itís known that sunlight affects the lifespan of the virus, most of Asia is in the tropics, maybe thatís why? Or the fact that most of the Asian countries have a much younger population than the western countries. The point is, we donít really know why Asia in general is fairing pretty well. Itís probably a combination of things which together have helped out, and may or may not include masks.





Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 06:39


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10840966)
If it means the airline pilots can get their jobs back, I'll do it.

Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record.

thisishardtochoose 19th Jul 2020 06:41


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840952)
So whilst some here may say mask wearing is the sign of a dictator enforcing brutal authority on the populace, those of more Asian mindset will probably say itís the sign of effective government leadership and a society all willing to chip in for the greater good.

During BLM they wanted to change the name of the state of Victoria.
People's Not so Democratic Socialist Republic of Danastan.

Right I want you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and you please come over here.
That will be a $200 fine for being maskless. You do not have the right for appeal. It must be paid in 48 hours.
Do I make myself clear.[/QUOTE]

I certainly hope no one has to ever deal with you inside a cockpit ever again. Grow the f up.

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 19th Jul 2020 06:46


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10840986)
Come Thursday I think it means I'm going to have a criminal record.

I think youíll find that after Thursday when you go to the supermarket and 80-90% of people are wearing masks, itíll be an odd feeling not to be wearing one.

Pretty strong WHO data that wearing masks cuts transmission of the virus dramatically.

1.5% transmission rate between 2 people if theyíre both wearing a mask is the stat I heard on the radio.

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 06:58

I certainly hope no one has to ever deal with you inside a cockpit ever again. Grow the f up.[/QUOTE]

People that swear and abuse in a flight deck, line up the last piece of swiss cheese.

Rashid Bacon 19th Jul 2020 06:58

Wuhan Dan, two standards Dan, Dan Danastan - whatever you call him, he has completely missed the boat. Telling everyone to accept responsibility while not publicly taking it himself. His stuff ups have effectively closed down a large part of this country rather than opening it up.:mad:

Ragnor 19th Jul 2020 07:27

Real questions here are, does Victoria have millions of mask on hand for people to purchase and the shops that sold a mask yesterday for $2 will that mask still be $2 tomorrow! Demand will strip out supply here

thisishardtochoose 19th Jul 2020 07:41


Originally Posted by Rashid Bacon (Post 10841000)
Wuhan Dan, two standards Dan, Dan Danastan - whatever you call him, he has completely missed the boat. Telling everyone to accept responsibility while not publicly taking it himself. His stuff ups have effectively closed down a large part of this country rather than opening it up.:mad:

What would you like dan to do? There's no playbook for dealing with Pandemics, I sincerely hope we never have to go through one of these ever again but cut the man some slack. Not one other person would want to be in his position right now.

SOPS 19th Jul 2020 07:42


Originally Posted by Rashid Bacon (Post 10841000)
Wuhan Dan, two standards Dan, Dan Danastan - whatever you call him, he has completely missed the boat. Telling everyone to accept responsibility while not publicly taking it himself. His stuff ups have effectively closed down a large part of this country rather than opening it up.:mad:

And he told everyone to stay at home. Now he is forcing people out to queue up to by masks. He has lost control of this, big time!!!

thisishardtochoose 19th Jul 2020 07:43


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10841012)
Real questions here are, does Victoria have millions of mask on hand for people to purchase and the shops that sold a mask yesterday for $2 will that mask still be $2 tomorrow! Demand will strip out supply here

From what Dan said in the press conference, state has ordered 2 million masks, with the first shipment to arrive this week. These will be handed out to workplaces with urgent need as they arrive (please someone with more information correct me if I am wrong)

Ragnor 19th Jul 2020 07:57

I didnít listen to the conference. 2 million! Hopefully he has another 2 million on order for end of the week, they donít seem very durable. This should of happened a week ago, I feel NSW should also follow suit now hit it hard from the start not allowing numbers to increase to a level where VIC is now.

Australopithecus 19th Jul 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose (Post 10841019)
What would you like dan to do? There's no playbook for dealing with Pandemics, I sincerely hope we never have to go through one of these ever again but cut the man some slack. Not one other person would want to be in his position right now.

why sure there is. Attached is the playbook commissioned by the Obama administration which shouldn’t be too hard to adopt to local needs. Of course the idiot Trump ignored all of it because: Obama

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...c-Playbook.pdf

normanton 19th Jul 2020 08:41


Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose (Post 10841019)
What would you like dan to do? There's no playbook for dealing with Pandemics, I sincerely hope we never have to go through one of these ever again but cut the man some slack. Not one other person would want to be in his position right now.

You mean the same guy who stood in front of the media and said "why would you want to go to SA"?

The same guy who told everyone not to go to Anzac day, but then allowed thousands to protest for the black lives matter movement? Not only allowed it, but directly said no one will be fined.

The same guy who allowed private security guards to monitor hotel quarantine guests?

The list goes on! He should have been sacked months ago.

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2020 08:47


Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose (Post 10841019)
What would you like dan to do? There's no playbook for dealing with Pandemics, I sincerely hope we never have to go through one of these ever again but cut the man some slack. Not one other person would want to be in his position right now.

What can Dan do. Lockdown the sick, and get the healthy back to work. I have been saying that since March.
With this new mask policy, all borders, all states, should open up on Thursday. If they don't what are we waiting for?
Four more weeks of this, people are starting to bleed from the inside. I'm starting to crack myself. Sorry if I upset you though I'm over this.



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