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wheels_down 18th Dec 2020 11:28

NSW is about to be cut off from the rest of the world it seems. Well two Labor leaders to the north and south are expected to put the walls up.

Did not fill me with much confidence in that press conference today. Hard to judge who is making the calls and the arrogance is mind blowing.

They seem to be taking a different approach compared to fellow Liberal leader over in SA. What exactly are they waiting for? Mandatory masks on Public Transport should be a given.

blubak 18th Dec 2020 18:27


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10949375)
And, what's the population of Adelaide? 1.5 million? So around 1 case per 100,000 residents, give or take. Apply that rationale to Sydney and you'll need 70 cases to call it an equivalent outbreak. That being said, we might get there, and I say that as a NSW resident.

I bloody well will blame other states if they aren't willing to carry their fair share of the incoming passenger load. When was the last time Tasmania took a planeload of international arrivals. Every other state - and their citizens - has been more than happy to let NSW carry the can, in come cases, with 60+% of the incoming arrivals, yet with NSW only having around 30% of the Australian population! But they're also very quick & happy to decry "those filthy sickly NSWelshmen!" the instant something like this happens and shut the borders.

Yep, great times to be an Australian looking after your mates...:ugh:

I thoroughly get what u say about people in other states referring to NSW residents as being filthy etc.
We went through it here in Vic for many many weeks & even had people in regional areas doing it to melbourne residents.
I think now because of what we went through we support our border being closed but not for a get back at other states but just to make sure we dont get locked up again.
No govt is perfect however i think we must agree in reality they are all dealing with something never seen before.
We hated & still do having to wear masks but is it that much of a sacrifice if it helps stop the spread?
I dont care if the premier is lib or lab,lets all do something to keep australia virus free.

Ragnor 18th Dec 2020 19:11

The dissapointing thing out of this, Australia and WA will close to NSW today I believe, however not one of the other states and WA will offer to take any load of international arrivals. Gladys needs to stop these now and take some pressure off Sydney for a few months or only allow NSW residents to enter via Sydney international.

Time for NSW to get tough for once.

Bodie1 18th Dec 2020 19:27

I'd prefer that Gladys stays the course. When you start behaving like the QLD & WA arseclowns you're no better than them right? I've had to do quite a bit of interstate travel over the past 8 months and the voice of reason has always been NSW. Hopefully business rewards NSW being the most stable state. I don't think it's a coincidence that people from other countries are making their way to NSW for some respite.

blubak 18th Dec 2020 19:33


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10949902)
I'd prefer that Gladys stays the course. When you start behaving like the QLD & WA arseclowns you're no better than them right? I've had to do quite a bit of interstate travel over the past 8 months and the voice of reason has always been NSW. Hopefully business rewards NSW being the most stable state. I don't think it's a coincidence that people from other countries are making their way to NSW for some respite.

I have always thought she was very sensible in her response & definitely does not play politics unlike her northern female counterpart.
I do think she needs to make masks compulsory though particularly in all indoor public places,have a look at syd airport yesterday & considering xmas shopping going troppo this weekend,everybody needs to wear 1.

Bodie1 18th Dec 2020 19:39

Can't see any problems with a mask. Small price to pay.

Ragnor 18th Dec 2020 19:41

This outbreak is different to other we have had and were able to manage easily. Now its xmas ppl will not listen they will get in their cars and bolt, go to the beach because its 35+ everyone gets the picture. Our course needs altering weather en route international needs to stop for the minute to ease the pressure so resources can be diverted and used defending our own city. We have the best contact tracing in the world they even have limits and can only manage maximum 50 cases a day.

The real concern is not northern beaches that can be easily contained its the drummer that played in the northern beaches and everywhere in between.


blubak 18th Dec 2020 20:08


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10949908)
This outbreak is different to other we have had and were able to manage easily. Now its xmas ppl will not listen they will get in their cars and bolt, go to the beach because its 35+ everyone gets the picture. Our course needs altering weather en route international needs to stop for the minute to ease the pressure so resources can be diverted and used defending our own city. We have the best contact tracing in the world they even have limits and can only manage maximum 50 cases a day.

The real concern is not northern beaches that can be easily contained its the drummer that played in the northern beaches and everywhere in between.

Another concern should be crowded public places,just saw some pics of sydney fish markets yesterday,not only lots of buyers with no masks but the traders werent wearing any.
If this outbreak isnt taken seriously the risk(like u point out) could be widespread yet it still looks like lots of people just dont get it.

Check_Thrust 18th Dec 2020 20:23


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10949375)
I bloody well will blame other states if they aren't willing to carry their fair share of the incoming passenger load. When was the last time Tasmania took a planeload of international arrivals.

6th of December to answer your question, with another one scheduled for the 8th of January.

Also the Tasmanian government is supplementing hotel workers wages so to avoid the situation of quarantine hotel staff working multiple jobs thus hopefully reducing the possibility of virus spread if a worker becomes infected, how many other governments are doing this?

I'll admit that the frequency of flights is obviously not high but keep in mind that Hobart "International" Airport doesn't have actually have immigration facilities etc and the state has a population of 550,000 (a bit over 10% of Sydney).

I do understand your frustration of other states not sharing the load but don't go thinking that ALL states and their constituents don't care.

Green.Dot 18th Dec 2020 20:47

Iím baffled and frustrated that masks havenít been mandated- at least in the short term.

The take up of masks would be high by the public in my opinion.

But when itís optional all the fence sitters will think that the situation ďcanít be too badĒ, and carry on in their normal non-socially distanced ways.

I fear Gladys has missed a golden opportunity here. Could hurt her and the state badly, COVID doesnít give you a second chance if you get it wrong.

blubak 18th Dec 2020 20:53


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10949944)
Iím baffled that masks havenít been mandated- at least in the short term.

The take up of masks would be high by the public in my opinion.

But when itís optional all the fence sitters will think that the situation ďcanít be too badĒ, and carry on in their normal non-socially distanced ways.

I fear Gladys has missed a golden opportunity here. Could hurt her and the state badly.

Absolutely,of course we dont like them but for f sake if u are in a public place with lots of others around just put 1 on & protect yourself.
Its not the time now to be selfish.

dr dre 18th Dec 2020 21:15

Western society is too lax and focused on individual rights ďItís my RIGHT to not wear a maskĒ. Asian society is focused on collective rights, protection of society is more important, donít wear a mask and youíll be punished. Thatís why Asian nations have had such a low death rate compared to Western countries IMO.

Unless masks are made mandatory and punishments handed out for non compliance not enough people in this country will wear them. Same goes for large and non essential gatherings. Time for some decisive leadership.

WingNut60 18th Dec 2020 21:35


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10949516)
Why do you say that? If you look at the number of returned travellers each state accepts per population it’s actually WA that accepts the most returnees at 1 traveller for every 2630 people, NSW next with 1 for every 2730 people, SA close behind at 1 per 3000. Qld and Victoria lag behind at 1 per 5200 and 6000.
Check the numbers yourselves here

But those who use that argument are not at all interested to to know that WA is doing their part. It doesn't fit the narrative.

What intrigues me, is where all of these returnees are coming from.
Government sources have been touting the backlog of 35000 people waiting to return for weeks (months) now.
Surely 5000 / week has reduced that backlog to near zero by now.


Ragnor 18th Dec 2020 21:43

Allegedly 5000 or less registered in UK to return and over 15000 in India.

WingNut60 18th Dec 2020 22:01

I can find a first reference to "the 35000 Australians" dating back to early in September.
And the most recent, still touting 35000, dated 10 December.

I do understand that there would be a steady trickle (stream?) of new registrations but I'd have thought that it might have reduced a significantly by now.

Does anyone know the number of actual returnees as compared to the either the federal or state imposed caps.
And yes, there are both.

Ragnor 18th Dec 2020 22:10

What is the unpalatable numbers for Vic, QLD and other states to close off to NSW today? 5, 10,20 announced

wheels_down 18th Dec 2020 23:20


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10949976)
What is the unpalatable numbers for Vic, QLD and other states to close off to NSW today? 5, 10,20 announced

Now that the elections have passed its hard to judge.

The comment around similar numbers forecasted for the current 24hrs might spook them, as well as the threat of metro restrictions to be announced tomorrow.

47 flights a day down to Melbourne, hard to sort of keep this going with still much unknown around seeding.

Ragnor 18th Dec 2020 23:36

After the recent announcement hopefully there are no knee jerk reactions. Appears to be contained in northern beaches which they have just went to a hard lockdown from 5pm today.

Iron Bar 19th Dec 2020 01:55

What a joke, hardly a lock down.

ďThe reasons permitted for leaving home are work, for compassionate grounds, for exercise and for shoppingĒ

ABC news


Very vague, whoís enforcing it? The template for this stuff should have been written months ago. How about some proper restrictions and mandatory mask wearing? Politically difficult and unpopular.

Premier thanks the Aust Hotelí Assoc for voluntarily closing pubs in the Northern beaches, piss off, whoís in charge? Give them a bloody direction.

The whole country is very lucky we are a big sparsely populated island and have a hot summer instead of freezing Northern hemisphere winter.

Very few effective leaders and too many incompetent public servants, still.

Potsie Weber 19th Dec 2020 02:40


Originally Posted by Iron Bar (Post 10950031)
What a joke, hardly a lock down.

“The reasons permitted for leaving home are work, for compassionate grounds, for exercise and for shopping”

ABC news


Very vague, who’s enforcing it? The template for this stuff should have been written months ago. How about some proper restrictions and mandatory mask wearing? Politically difficult and unpopular.

Premier thanks the Aust Hotel’ Assoc for voluntarily closing pubs in the Northern beaches, piss off, who’s in charge? Give them a bloody direction.

The whole country is very lucky we are a big sparsely populated island and have a hot summer instead of freezing Northern hemisphere winter.

Very few effective leaders and too many incompetent public servants, still.


And essential work exempt from lock down. So all those cabin crew from the northern beaches are expected to continue working, flying all around the country.

dr dre 19th Dec 2020 02:44


Originally Posted by Iron Bar (Post 10950031)

ďThe reasons permitted for leaving home are work, for compassionate grounds, for exercise and for shoppingĒ

ABC news


Very vague, whoís enforcing it?

The shopping is only for grocery and essential item shopping. I guess that precludes Christmas gifts. The lockdown is until Christmas Eve, so expect a mad rush and packed shopping centres on the 24th. Sounds like a breeding ground for spread if the virus is not contained.

rattman 19th Dec 2020 02:53


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10949976)
What is the unpalatable numbers for Vic, QLD and other states to close off to NSW today? 5, 10,20 announced

Probably not numbers but a combination growth and coverage/location

currawong 19th Dec 2020 04:50

The basic principle of "quarantine" has been long understood.

Should not be a problem to grasp the concept.

The approach to the WA border, like it or not, is in the national interest.

Elsewhere, iron ore and gold production has been cut off at the knees, due to workforce disruption.

"The suggestion that commodity exports will again exceed $250 billion in the year ahead highlights the economic opportunity presented by the absence of the coronavirus in Western Australia, which is responsible for the vast majority of Australia's gold and iron ore production."

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/b...0200925-p55z9v

Evidence would suggest Australia has handled this rather well, on both infection and economic fronts.

That we should be called upon again to do what actually works, should not come as any surprise.



601 19th Dec 2020 05:01


Time for some decisive leadership.
You can pile on as much leadership in the form of directions until the cows come home
The directions are not going to stop this. It is only each and everyone of us making a conscious decision to do what is asked that will stop the spread.

But as we can see, it only takes one person to not comply and it is all over.


How about the Australian government step up and take care of Australia by doing what their supposed to in regards to international borders, immigration and quarantine and mandate remote quarantining. Direct international arrivals to land at places like Alice Springs or military bases and put them into federally funded facilities. Stop palming it off to states stop using the cheapest option of inner city hotels and step up and lead, because it’s obvious all states will continue this cycle of shut down and open up every few weeks/months until the vaccine uptake is widespread. If Australia is to be one country again it’s time for the Australian government to lead.
Better check up on who is in charge inside each state borders. Clue, it is not ScoMo

Green.Dot 19th Dec 2020 05:26

Just read COVID traces detected in sewage samples on Gold Coast, Townsville and Cairns.

DirectAnywhere 19th Dec 2020 05:28

Yup. It's looking messy.

Bodie1 19th Dec 2020 05:29


But as we can see, it only takes one person to not comply and it is all over.
All over? God spare me. I'm not a rona virus denier or a conspiracy theorist but spare us the dramatics. It's a major health issue and needs to be dealt with as such but for chrissakes do we need the drama, disaster and doomsday crap?


Better check up on who is in charge inside each state borders. Clue, it is not ScoMo
Scomo has made it quite clear that he doesn't make the border decisions and has no say.

wheels_down 19th Dec 2020 06:10

Nine reporting Vic government meetings underway this evening with a plan to include Metro Sydney in that hotspot zone. Details tomorrow morning.

Tasmania has now pulled the plug. 14 Day Q.

dr dre 19th Dec 2020 06:13


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10950078)
Nine reporting Vic government meetings underway this evening with a plan to include Metro Sydney in that hotspot zone. Details tomorrow morning.

Itís likely the virus was transmitted outside the Northern beaches, we already know that positive cases travelled as far as Cronulla and Penrith. Iím pretty surprised mandatory masks at least arenít being implemented for the city.

wheels_down 19th Dec 2020 06:16


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10950082)
Itís likely the virus was transmitted outside the Northern beaches, we already know that positive cases travelled as far as Cronulla and Penrith. Iím pretty surprised mandatory masks at least arenít being implemented for the city.

As an absolute bare minimum, trains, planes and buses, and airports! If they are serious add Supermakets and Malls.

Perhaps the airlines should take some initiative and put in mandatory masks or no boarding. They already have free masks for each passenger anyway. Few airlines in the USA have done this

PoppaJo 19th Dec 2020 06:37

Vic health officials seem a little edgy this evening it appears.

Australopithecus 19th Dec 2020 06:49

Border Pass required for Queensland from 0100 20/12. I imagine that the trigger for a hard border again is not too far away, Christmas notwithstanding. Still ten weeks out from a vaccine? I am the pessimistís pessimist, able to see only the dark cloud surrounding every silver lining. Guess what I see now.

ruprecht 19th Dec 2020 07:28


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10950092)
Guess what I see now.

Dead people...?

Ragnor 19th Dec 2020 07:43

Everyone needs to calm down stop the doomsday rubbish. NSW are the best in the world at handling this and yes it’s a big bump on the road but it will be controlled. Ppl have been saying here that Gladys needs to make mask mandatory and yet there has not been a break out from not making them mandatory.

Xeptu 19th Dec 2020 07:55

Save Ferris

wheels_down 19th Dec 2020 08:03

Mark McGowan overreaction panic conference coming up in about 10 minutes. 🔒

thorn bird 19th Dec 2020 08:22

Isn't it time to tell McGowan to piss off and form his own Country, provided of course they take the word Australia out of their name, because Australian they aint.

McGowanstan has a nice ring to it, or perhaps the Southern Socialist republic of McGowanstan.

All I heard out of his mouth was [email protected]#$K the rest of you, We alright Jack the rest of you can F#[email protected] off. Lets see how well he does without the rest of us propping him up.

Green.Dot 19th Dec 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10950117)
Ppl have been saying here that Gladys needs to make mask mandatory and yet there has not been a break out from not making them mandatory.

I have full faith in NSW doing a good job- we are on the same page here.

Regarding mandating mask use, Iíve only got quals as a pilot so this is the best risk analogy Iíve got:

If you have windshear on the ATIS for takeoff do you?

A: Use normal takeoff figures because it doesnít look too bad outside (people who wonít wear a mask because they donít like the feel of them).

Or

B: Use full thrust with windshear figures and give yourself the best chance possible (Mandate mask use until they are certain itís under control, knowing more people will wear them if they have to).







SRFred 19th Dec 2020 08:31

Since it appears there are quite a few people from the affected LGA in Skidnee that are now in Queensland and also CV traces have been found in the sewerage right up to Cairns it would be amazing if it wasn't already in Victoria but then reduced testing numbers might not show the true situation.

jrfsp 19th Dec 2020 08:34


Originally Posted by thorn bird (Post 10950130)
Isn't it time to tell McGowan to piss off and form his own Country, provided of course they take the word Australia out of their name, because Australian they aint.

McGowanstan has a nice ring to it, or perhaps the Southern Socialist republic of McGowanstan.

All I heard out of his mouth was [email protected]#$K the rest of you, We alright Jack the rest of you can F#[email protected] off. Lets see how well he does without the rest of us propping him up.

Doesnt sound like you're familiar with the economics of this country......


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