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43Inches 10th Sep 2021 12:21


Got my coercion letter from the corrupt Govt yesterday begging me to take the poison up the ass, I feel wanted-)
The fear continues for so many, amongst these pages, love it! -)
I would be scared as well if someone told me it went in there!

I just got it in the shoulder....

JustinHeywood 10th Sep 2021 20:13


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 11109239)
Got my coercion letter from the corrupt Govt yesterday begging me to take the poison up the ass, I feel wanted-)
The fear continues for so many, amongst these pages, love it! -)

Living in fear? Come on.

So many brave ĎFreedom Fightersí scared of a jab in the arm.

Itís only a little prick. Iím pretty sure youíve seen one of those.

SHVC 10th Sep 2021 21:23

NSW 80% double dose has already been pushed back 4 weeks (early December) because of the hesitancy of the 16-39 yr olds. I can see NSW and the country struggling to get to this arbitrary 80% that no where else in the world is mandating. F$&k living in indefinite lockdowns because of this every age group is eligible for a vaccine now, set a date, stick to it anyone else or state that wants to stay away let them.

Scooter Rassmussin 10th Sep 2021 21:30

Itís not all vaccine hesitancy, young people trying to book vaccine are already into late November just for their first jab , and it should be their choice to have Pfizer if they want it .

SHVC 10th Sep 2021 21:36


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11109461)
Itís not all vaccine hesitancy, young people trying to book vaccine are already into late November just for their first jab , and it should be their choice to have Pfizer if they want it .

It surprises me that they think Pfizer is better, I guess reading Facebook on the can whilst dropping a deuce is the best way to inform one self. When they go to a doctor for a tetnus shot does anyone choose which 1 of about 6 different brands they could have?!

DirectAnywhere 10th Sep 2021 21:52


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11109461)
Itís not all vaccine hesitancy, young people trying to book vaccine are already into late November just for their first jab , and it should be their choice to have Pfizer if they want it .

Had to see my GP yesterday about something unrelated to COVID, but we were discussing the vaccine rollout. His surgery is administering Pfizer and he believes that within the next couple of weeks he will have more supply than he can use, to the point of needing to advertise to avoid wastage as they donít have ultra cold storage. He says his next problem will be simply finding enough arms to put the stuff in to. His is a largish local practice, maybe 10 GPs.

Notably, I canít even make a booking via the state health website yet for the under-16, the over-16 is booked for November but my GP now says he should be able to get them both in before the end of September based on anticipated supply. Remember also that a lot of people in SYD and MEL have now taken AZ, rather than Pfizer, to get whatever was available earlier. So, in short, things may be about ramp up rapidly in relation to MRNA vaccine supplies (Moderna coming online too) if my GP is correct. I hope so. If youíre a ďyoung peopleĒ itís worth starting to check with your GP.

rmcdonal 11th Sep 2021 02:39


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11109463)
It surprises me that they think Pfizer is better, I guess reading Facebook on the can whilst dropping a deuce is the best way to inform one self. When they go to a doctor for a tetnus shot does anyone choose which 1 of about 6 different brands they could have?!

The difference is the type of vaccine, not the brand. The tetanus shots are all the same thing, but AZ and Pfizer are two different types of vaccine.
It's not hard to find information about either of them, or to speak to a doctor and get the same info, you can do both while on the toilet. Probably the biggest issue with the vaccines right now is that the protection doesn't kick in till about 2 weeks after the second shot, so being able to get both shots done within a month (Pfizer) brings the time frame for protection down significantly when compared to AZ which is months longer.

DirectAnywhere 11th Sep 2021 03:22


Originally Posted by rmcdonal (Post 11109532)
so being able to get both shots done within a month (Pfizer) brings the time frame for protection down significantly when compared to AZ which is months longer.

This is no longer the case as per updated advice from ATAGI.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiative...vid-19-vaccine


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turbantime 11th Sep 2021 06:18


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11109459)
NSW 80% double dose has already been pushed back 4 weeks (early December) because of the hesitancy of the 16-39 yr olds. I can see NSW and the country struggling to get to this arbitrary 80% that no where else in the world is mandating. F$&k living in indefinite lockdowns because of this every age group is eligible for a vaccine now, set a date, stick to it anyone else or state that wants to stay away let them.

I canít seem to find any information suggesting the timeframe has been pushed back?

ScepticalOptomist 13th Sep 2021 10:19


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11109555)
I canít seem to find any information suggesting the timeframe has been pushed back?

Will hit the mark sooner I thought?

Angle of Attack 13th Sep 2021 11:14

Yes ATAGI has recommended AZ to 4 weeks in certain states but it results in a less effective vaccine. But if your facing imminent exposure to COVID that is the best advice. It’s still in the high 80% for serious disease compared to mid 90% for the full 12 week gap, but it’s pretty much insignificant for healthy people.

Derfred 13th Sep 2021 11:55

ATAGIís job is to recommend whatís best for the nation. Not for you as an individual.

To find out whatís best for you, as an individual, talk to your GP.

They might not give you a black and white answer, but they might be able to direct you to dataÖ proper data, not the shit you are reading on facebook or pprune or your preferred blogger.

Then you can decide.

rattman 13th Sep 2021 22:00


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11110511)
Yes ATAGI has recommended AZ to 4 weeks in certain states but it results in a less effective vaccine. But if your facing imminent exposure to COVID that is the best advice. It’s still in the high 80% for serious disease compared to mid 90% for the full 12 week gap, but it’s pretty much insignificant for healthy people.

Yes the advice changes on zones / areas example the official advice is

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) recommends the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer is preferred in adults aged under 60 years.

it then says later

Noting the current constrained supply of the Pfizer vaccine, ATAGI also recommends adults under the age of 60 who do not have immediate access to the Pfizer vaccine should consider the benefits and risks of earlier protection through the AstraZeneca vaccine.

This recommendation is in the context of an outbreak increasing the risk of people contracting COVID-19 – and hence the increased benefit vaccination provides.

But more the specific original question, atagi recommend a earlier but less effective protection if you are in an area suffering an outbreak currently

Given the heightened risk of people becoming infected, ATAGI’s advice in responding to such an outbreak of the COVID-19 delta strain is that anyone who has received a AstraZeneca vaccine more than 4 weeks ago should contact their vaccine provider to arrange their second dose as soon as possible.

Foxxster 15th Sep 2021 01:44

I am sure you have all already seen this but it is the first time I have.. shows just how low the traffic volumes are at Sydney airport. Scroll down for the graphs.

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/YSSY


White Knight 17th Sep 2021 17:40

I think these screenshots are quite telling too... In conjunction with Foxxter's post above.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8a243fd3ed.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8ac556e9f6.jpg

lc_461 17th Sep 2021 23:42

Is it to early to start feeling a bit of optimism?
NSW, VIC, SA I think trialing home quarantine for some domestic travelers. SA/TAS both quietly announced they will open their borders around 80%ish without sensationalism.
Slightly calmer rhetoric from QLD CHO now that her favourite vaccine is available to all..
ACT and NSW approaching/have hit 80% first dose with still many young people booked for a first dose..
ScoMo appearing to support more international travel by November..

I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel for our industry for the first time in months.

SHVC 18th Sep 2021 07:34

NSW has no choice but to open up mid November when 80% is reached. You can book flights to FiJi early December I think. I can almost guarantee you will be able to travel to London, LA and Fiji before you can visit rattle and rum in cairns and that other place WA I think it’s called.

layman 18th Sep 2021 08:30

Probably very much an outlier, but a 69 year old gentleman was released from Westmead hospital earlier this month, 399 days after being admitted with Covid

Are there still any doubters about being vaccinated / encouraging 'everyone' to become vaccinated?

Angle of Attack 18th Sep 2021 08:42

Hi layman,
yes it’s an outlier case but it’s generally true that COVID patients hang around in hospital beds and in particularly ICU way longer than anyone else,
this is the main problem the long term stays Covid patients need compared to almost anything else.

Turnleft080 18th Sep 2021 11:37

As of today 5km has extended to 10, 2 hours of exercise 4, skate board parks open, a few more at the picnic park if vaccinated, and the AMA are screaming this is going to overload the hospital system. Lets see how they react to Dan's press conference tomorrow when he brings out the Melways.


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