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Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 00:09


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11060194)
Haha, me too.

Makes me laugh that I innocently posted a reference to a segment on a news program (although I use that term lightly with Sky) by a demographic expert and every pretend expert on this forum has unleashed their mob-wisdom to discredit it without even realising what the point the guy was making was.

YES, people cross from one place to another in Sydney, but the ENTIRE BLOODY POPULATION doesn't do it on a daily basis. When you have a clump of suburbs in Melbourne that have an outbreak, there is no bridge or harbour or natural barrier, every suburb almost without exception borders (often on the other side of the street) with the next suburb. Given that not all 100% of people in Sydney drive to every other suburb separated from their region by a river or bridge every single day, it's OBVIOUS that sunken rivers and other barriers provide 'some' separation that does not exist in most other states, especially Victoria.

Precisely because of the bridge that you refer to this guy's position does have some merit, whether all the self-appointed geniuses on here agree with it or not. There is a physical/topographical difference between Sydney and Melbourne.


oh dear..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...burn-west.html




PoppaJo 30th Jun 2021 00:50

Goodbye Adelaide according to reports.

Jetstar are oversold Melbourne to Cairns at the moment and Melbourne-Tasmania is full across all carriers. Not many other places you can go!

Potsie Weber 30th Jun 2021 00:57

In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390

brokenagain 30th Jun 2021 01:07

The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.

Chronic Snoozer 30th Jun 2021 01:07


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11070694)
In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390

In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of its health officers. This is just a p1ssing match between health experts that have a difference of opinion and different tolerances to risk.

Chronic Snoozer 30th Jun 2021 01:10


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 11070697)
The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.

The leadership is being led by epidemiologists. Apparently. They are now swimming in the same pool of information we are and are struggling to find the bottom.

SOPS 30th Jun 2021 01:15

Seems like SA is about to lock down.

SHVC 30th Jun 2021 01:47

Palachook still trying to run ppls lives, her and CMO won’t allow under 40s get AZ meanwhile NSW is allowing anyone and everyone to get AZ.

I want to leave live in a country that’s living.

transition_alt 30th Jun 2021 01:53

And now Alice Springs is going into a 72 hour lockdown from 1pm.

What the h*ll is wrong with this country!?

DanV2 30th Jun 2021 01:57

South Australia also reported to be facing imminent lockdown. Mining/Delta cluster has reportedly reached Adelaide.

That's over half the country if SA joins most other states in lockdown.

DanV2 30th Jun 2021 02:21

Marshall just said SA won't be going into lockdown.. for now. 5 new community cases, all linked to the Mining/Delta cluster.

KRviator 30th Jun 2021 03:21

'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says

Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
No, I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca.

Originally Posted by Reporter
Why?

Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.

I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die. We've had very few deaths due to COVID-19 in Australia in people under the age of 50, and wouldn't it be terrible that our first 18-year-old in Queensland to who dies related to this pandemic died because of the vaccine?



If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

ruprecht 30th Jun 2021 03:36


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11070723)
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

Yep… it’s always easier to make decisions when they don’t directly affect you financially.

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 05:10

Marvellous. Nurse tested positive has worked at RNS and another hospital for 5 days. Wards locked down…

other hospital is Fairfield.

morno 30th Jun 2021 05:15


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070669)
no it doesn’t translate at all. The drivers licence scenario is not at all comparable to a pandemic with a highly contagious deadly virus.

God almighty. I sure hope you aren’t a pilot with people’s lives under your responsibility.

Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot :rolleyes:

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 05:23


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11070759)
Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot :rolleyes:

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?

I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .

I think I have stated many many times that it cannot be done. It is up to you to provide the means of implementing and more importantly police the measures that YOU want to put in place.

as for being an expert. Well I have had that line before. About that charlatan, sorry demographer. You may want to refer to my post just above regarding that. The one with the link to the news article…

as for your role as a pilot. You have proven a complete lack of rationality, critical thinking and common sense.

I would think they are necessary requirements for most jobs that have people’s lives in their hands.

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 05:47


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11070723)
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this.

And to think that same grossly irresponsible chief health officer has just been made governor of qld. Jobs for the girls. She appears completely politically compromised.

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….

Cafe City 30th Jun 2021 07:35


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070773)
you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this…….

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….

Maybe she could start by cutting her own return from the Olympics….

ScepticalOptomist 30th Jun 2021 08:45


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 11070672)
Since you are across all the data, what are the vaccination rates in these "First world countries " of which you speak?

Roughly 53-65% with USA and Germany at the low end and Canada , Israel, and UK at the high end.

These countries are reporting cases with greater than 90% less death rates - all reporting the Delta variant as being the most common, compared with the death rates from the earlier strains, especially when compared with the first wave.

The data is available, you just have to look at it and WANT to understand what it says.

You won’t find a nice packaged article on the usual media sites unless it’s fear based click fodder for the lazy and stupid.

Keg 30th Jun 2021 12:39

The data out of the UK is very clear. Delta not as deadly in all cases. Vaccines highly effective at both decreasing transmission and lowering symptoms of those who still contract it. Death rate of vaccinated people with Delta is virtually zero. In the UK, for the last month, every week has seen more deaths from the flu and pneumonia than Covid.

I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.


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