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SHVC 19th Aug 2021 00:36

Borders will not be opening anytime soon, Victoria 59% increase today and appears to be trending upwards. NSW finds itself in almost the same position as Victoria this time last yr, except Victoria numbers started to drop, NSW is yet to peak epidemiologist said this morning NSW will peak by 30% each incubation period. Going off that restrictions are not expected to ease until January 2022 and travel domestically March 2022. Last Airline standing will be????

Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 00:54


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11097601)
Borders will not be opening anytime soon, Victoria 59% increase today and appears to be trending upwards. NSW finds itself in almost the same position as Victoria this time last yr, except Victoria numbers started to drop, NSW is yet to peak epidemiologist said this morning NSW will peak by 30% each incubation period. Going off that restrictions are not expected to ease until January 2022 and travel domestically March 2022. Last Airline standing will be????

If they brought down these ridiculous numbers of 70/80% down to 60/70% then all airlines would be fully ramped up, right on the Christmas period and they can book with confidence this time.

layman 19th Aug 2021 00:55

Vaccination rates to reach 95%???
 
Just looking at reported vaccination rates, more than 95% in the 70+ age group in the ACT have received at least one dose (83+% Australia wide).

95% of ACT 70+ year olds should be double-dosed by mid-November.

Ever the optimist, why can’t all age groups reach a 95% vaccination rate?

Supply & the ability to deliver being the main limitations ... assuming we can get past ‘vaccine hesitancy’

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 01:04

Much easier to prove, to persuade a person in the age range that gets hit by 20-50% mortality rates that vaccinating is in their interest. As you can see reading back the main issue is the younger folk believing it's like the flu, until they get it and then somehow changing their tune, add to that some well placed conspiracies and bad media.

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 01:05


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11097604)
Just looking at reported vaccination rates, more than 95% in the 70+ age group in the ACT have received at least one dose (83+% Australia wide).

95% of ACT 70+ year olds should be double-dosed by mid-November.

Ever the optimist, why can’t all age groups reach a 95% vaccination rate?

Supply & the ability to deliver being the main limitations ... assuming we can get past ‘vaccine hesitancy’

a large cohort who do not want to get vaccinated are females of childbearing age. And more generally the young who the virus doesn’t effect as much as the elderly. While the overall US % was nearing 70% fully vaccinated, the younger age group was only 44%. And remember their experience has been a hell of a lot worse than ours in terms of deaths per million. So as our actions are heavily shaped by our own lived experience, it may be even more difficult to get our younger age groups up to the required 70% , 80%+

minigundiplomat 19th Aug 2021 01:26


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097551)
and done a wonderful smear job on AstraZeneca purely for political purposes. She and her health nutter knew full well the weakness of the federal libs especially Morrison was the lack of Pfizer. But there was plenty of AstraZeneca. So we get the chook making up bullshit stories so she can get Pfizer and the quack doing a hatchet job on AstraZeneca not once but twice. Keeping Queensland safe. I think not.

anyone who thinks the lockdowns are about anything but the politics needs to buy some magic beans next time they’re at the market. Listen to Chairman Dan, McGoose and Queen P at their pressers, and listen to how many times they reference NSW - over and over again. They see the lack of Pfizer and situation in NSW as political capital and hammer it every day. That’s why you’re locked dow or locked up.

Ladloy 19th Aug 2021 01:33


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11097613)
anyone who thinks the lockdowns are about anything but the politics needs to buy some magic beans next time they’re at the market. Listen to Chairman Dan, McGoose and Queen P at their pressers, and listen to how many times they reference NSW - over and over again. They see the lack of Pfizer and situation in NSW as political capital and hammer it every day. That’s why you’re locked dow or locked up.

Maybe if Gladys didn't play politics to begin with we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we've spread delta across to NZ. It's easy to reference NSW when they have single-handedly ****** two nations.

galdian 19th Aug 2021 01:33

So accept the virus has a greater impact on different age groups and target appropriately.

70+...95% 60-70...80% 40-60...66% below 40...50%....................or similar.

Hopefully the targets would be well exceeded, the minority who choose not to/desire not to be vaccinated should be of no concern.

ruprecht 19th Aug 2021 01:58


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11097614)
Maybe if Gladys didn't play politics to begin with we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we've spread delta across to NZ. It's easy to reference NSW when they have single-handedly ****** two nations.

NZ cases are an issue for NZ quarantine, unless NSW is launching infected bodies over by catapult.

Agent_86 19th Aug 2021 02:02

681 in SYD today...

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 02:07


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11097620)
681 in SYD today...

Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

PoppaJo 19th Aug 2021 02:14


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097621)
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

The writing has been on the wall for a good month now.

KRviator 19th Aug 2021 02:16


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097621)
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

You lot voted for him. Overwhelmingly. You reap what you sow...

Scooter Rassmussin 19th Aug 2021 02:21

you have more hope getting to WA via India, they refuse to book locals into Hotel Quarantine even at your own expense .

Chris2303 19th Aug 2021 02:34


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11097620)
681 in SYD today...

21 in AKL as at 1300NZST

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 02:36


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11097630)
21 in AKL as at 1300NZST


that escalated quickly.

Chris2303 19th Aug 2021 02:38


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097631)
that escalated quickly.

And likely to be more during the day

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 02:43


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11097630)
21 in AKL as at 1300NZST

Originating from Sydney. Onya Gladys …. Gold Standard… we do it differently in NSW.

KRviator 19th Aug 2021 02:54

Can't blame Gladys for that one...They haven't had travel from Sydney since 22 June, IIRC.

You're better off asking how it got out out of quarantine. Or else, you should really lay the blame at the feet of the guilty party - those bloody Indians who came up with the Delta variant.

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 03:01


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11097637)
Can't blame Gladys for that one...They haven't had travel from Sydney since 22 June, IIRC.

You're better off asking how it got out out of quarantine. Or else, you should really lay the blame at the feet of the guilty party - those bloody Indians who came up with the Delta variant.

ok… but it’s from Sydney


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...modelling-says

minigundiplomat 19th Aug 2021 03:09


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11097614)
Maybe if Gladys didn't play politics to begin with we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we've spread delta across to NZ. It's easy to reference NSW when they have single-handedly ****** two nations.

​​​​​​https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...5d24bfa57fa17c

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0210609-p57zae

Short memories. We’ve had plenty of Victorians fleeing Chairman Dan’s gold standard, spreading COVID as they go. Up here in Cairns, we can tell when Victorian’s are 3 days into lockdown by the sudden influx of Victoria - The Lockdown State plates as victorians flee.

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 03:16

Why try and ignore facts and change history.

One Victorian spread it to one NSW at the start. Victoria then beat it, NSW played politics, played with fire and the fire got loose. No one else is playing politics with this, the comments coming from other leaders is frustration that NSW screwed the pooch and now it's rife everywhere. Since then large numbers of people that have visited NSW or from there have traveled interstate with it and spread it in numbers that grow rapidly, including NZ.

This outbreak is squarely on the NSW gov and Gladys and her team, remember that at the polling booth.

It is possible to beat it when numbers are low, Melbourne proved that. Wait too long while numbers simmer, well then it's chasing your tail like Sydney is doing right now.

Had NSW done what everyone else had done instead of trying to prove some misguided contact tracing worked and just locked down hard we could be having this conversation in a pub anywhere in Australia.

Ladloy 19th Aug 2021 03:19


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11097643)
​​​​​​https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...5d24bfa57fa17c

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0210609-p57zae

Short memories. We’ve had plenty of Victorians fleeing Chairman Dan’s gold standard, spreading COVID as they go. Up here in Cairns, we can tell when Victorian’s are 3 days into lockdown by the sudden influx of Victoria - The Lockdown State plates as victorians flee.

And that's a reasonable excuse to be mad. It doesn't detract from the NSW government's mishandling.

MickG0105 19th Aug 2021 03:33


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097640)

As it says in the article you have provided a link to;


The [New Zealand] government closed the trans-Tasman bubble on 25 July after the outbreak in New South Wales. Anyone returning from New South Wales was required to go to into quarantine. Travellers from Victoria were required to self-isolate for three days and produce two negative tests. But New Zealanders returning from other parts of Australia were given a week-long grace period to return without having to isolate. Those travellers were required to have a pre-departure test before arrival but the emergence of the virus has raised questions over whether that line of defence was breached.

Ardern said there was 100% compliance with the rules made on the closure of the bubble, but despite this health officials would be producing a list of all arrivals from Australia into New Zealand during that period and contacting them again.
​​​So, quarantine-free travel to New Zealand ceased three weeks ago; Adern maintains that there has been 100 percent compliance with pre-departure testing, quarantine and self-isolation measures since then; and yet they are have an outbreak. It is very likely that one of two things has happened; either the measures that the New Zealand government put in place were not entirely effective or there hasn't been 100 percent compliance. Either/or or both, they are factors entirely within the remit of the New Zealand government.

Gnadenburg 19th Aug 2021 03:40


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11097644)
remember that at the polling booth.

Just what Australia needs. Another partisan political influencer!



Paragraph377 19th Aug 2021 03:56

Operation ‘zero’ cases
 
https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/pub0008/

Perhaps some of these ‘mystery’ infections have come via the post with your Mail, EBay purchases, Amazon deliveries, Uber eats and flower deliveries? Have our fearless politicians and their CMO’s explored this possibility? Time to shut down everything and go into underground bunkers (only if you have a vaccine passport) and pop back up in 3 years time. Like a post-nuclear winter.

Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 04:44


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11097630)
21 in AKL as at 1300NZST

Those bloody Bondi surfers from 7 weeks ago that couldn't hold on, did their business in the pond and it just happens to turn up in the Auckland harbour. Welcome to the party pals.

Torukmacto 19th Aug 2021 04:50

250,000 infections would get us out of this quicker . Fear would have lines at vaccination centres , federal government would flood country with vaccines and we would forget this whack a mole attitude .

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 04:51


Just what Australia needs. Another partisan political influencer!
I couldn't give a damn Gnads, not my state, however I don't want to hear anyone complaining in her next term when she stuffs it again and you had the chance to remove her. That's where the public have their chance to say if these policies were right or wrong. If you don't understand it's your vote that determines policy in these times, then you are lost.

Why do you think McGowan keeps slamming borders shut to WA. Because he won an election in a complete wipeout of the opposition during covid. That result gave him the mandate to keep doing it as needed and more, whether that was the intention of the voters or not, that's what they endorsed.

Chronic Snoozer 19th Aug 2021 05:25


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097621)
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

And a big vote of confidence in WA's hotel quarantine. It works fine when the majority of people aren't infected....McGowan is rightfully sh1t scared about the parlous state of affairs in the state's health system.

ruprecht 19th Aug 2021 05:32

Despite al the rhetoric, quite a few people in WA have relatives in “The East”, not to mention all the British expats who live there.

Sooner or later, WA is going to have to open up.

blubak 19th Aug 2021 06:04


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11097600)
Melbourne figures out. 57 cases, 44 in iso, leaving 13 in the community which is the danger figure. Funny how Vic gov like to leak this stuff around 0830am, and NSW go all out bang at 1100am. Days of our lives stuff.

54 out of the 57 are linked & from looking at the past few days they are often able to link the mystery cases pretty quickly.
Many of the cases announced today are a result of 13 day tests which have still come up positive so a further 14 day quarantine for those individuals.
Andrews said although they would much rather see low numbers this is not a day to panic over the numbers as it was somewhat expected.
Last year was a disaster down here but to give them some credit it looks like it is under control & not exploding all through the state or even the suburbs.

Lead Balloon 19th Aug 2021 06:22

A rough graph of the current options and projections:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d4a68bc9c.png

lc_461 19th Aug 2021 06:29


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11097607)
Much easier to prove, to persuade a person in the age range that gets hit by 20-50% mortality rates that vaccinating is in their interest. As you can see reading back the main issue is the younger folk believing it's like the flu, until they get it and then somehow changing their tune, add to that some well placed conspiracies and bad media.

If you again reference the ACT - the day they opened registrations for 30-39 years olds something like 10K registered in 24 hours. I think overwhelmingly young people are ready and wanting to be vaccinated. They are after all the ones bearing the economic brunt, having to manage home schooling and worried about their parents and children getting unwell at both ends of the age spectrum. Also, they are the ones "superspreading" via workplaces. Until now, unless they meet the criteria, they haven't been eligible for vaccination. Thousands in NSW/ACT/VIC have got AZ in the last few weeks because they are sick of waiting.
Anecdotally, the largest group needing to sway is 50-70 year olds unwilling to get AZ, "waiting for Pfizer". Everyone can make their own choice re vaccination - but I really hope they don't get priority over young people who haven't had the 'choice'.

Xeptu 19th Aug 2021 07:36


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11097671)
Sooner or later, WA is going to have to open up.

Probably later, much later, very much later :)

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 07:42


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11097664)
I couldn't give a damn Gnads, not my state, however I don't want to hear anyone complaining in her next term when she stuffs it again and you had the chance to remove her. That's where the public have their chance to say if these policies were right or wrong. If you don't understand it's your vote that determines policy in these times, then you are lost.

Why do you think McGowan keeps slamming borders shut to WA. Because he won an election in a complete wipeout of the opposition during covid. That result gave him the mandate to keep doing it as needed and more, whether that was the intention of the voters or not, that's what they endorsed.

And listening to talk back today, it seems most ( not all ) people are 100 percent behind Mark.

goodonyamate 19th Aug 2021 09:54


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097714)
And listening to talk back today, it seems most ( not all ) people are 100 percent behind Mark.


only old retired blokes with no life who don’t fly anymore yet still frequent aviation sites listen to WA talkback. Either way, I wouldn’t call a talkback audience a good sample.

he’s done a great job. Last month, ambulance ramp hours blew through 5000 in a month. That’s 5000 hours of an ambulance sitting outside an ED with a patient inside, unable to get treatment, and with the ambulance unable to be redeployed elsewhere. It’s no wonder he’s so shit scared of COVID.

he’s done nothing. He’s a pathetic man who jumps onto the latest public opinion issue and follows the masses.

so while you smugly sit in WA now jumping on here every day to share the latest tidbit of minor information and take joy in the decline or end of many pilots careers, remember that not too far into the future, when WA residents see the rest of Australia getting on with life while you’re stuck in the one place (may not bother you personally but it will annoy many expats and others), we’ll be sitting here flipping the bird at you lot saying ‘couldn’t give a toss’

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 10:30


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11097781)
only old retired blokes with no life who don’t fly anymore yet still frequent aviation sites listen to WA talkback. Either way, I wouldn’t call a talkback audience a good sample.

he’s done a great job. Last month, ambulance ramp hours blew through 5000 in a month. That’s 5000 hours of an ambulance sitting outside an ED with a patient inside, unable to get treatment, and with the ambulance unable to be redeployed elsewhere. It’s no wonder he’s so shit scared of COVID.

he’s done nothing. He’s a pathetic man who jumps onto the latest public opinion issue and follows the masses.

so while you smugly sit in WA now jumping on here every day to share the latest tidbit of minor information and take joy in the decline or end of many pilots careers, remember that not too far into the future, when WA residents see the rest of Australia getting on with life while you’re stuck in the one place (may not bother you personally but it will annoy many expats and others), we’ll be sitting here flipping the bird at you lot saying ‘couldn’t give a toss’

I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyone’s job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.

goodonyamate 19th Aug 2021 10:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097811)
I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyone’s job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.

i genuinely hope that’s the case. We get it. Can’t deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He won’t spend a cent of all WA’s apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, he’s finished.

Chronic Snoozer 19th Aug 2021 13:48


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11097823)
i genuinely hope that’s the case. We get it. Can’t deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He won’t spend a cent of all WA’s apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, he’s finished.

McGowan has done a politician's Bradbury.


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