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Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 14:03

Gladys said today we now have to live with this virus. ( Where did this common sense come from). Well if they started with that philosophy from scratch, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Then Scotty says we must suppress the virus. Making up policy on the spot. Next question the UK opened up at 50% with a population of 63 mil. Then want us to open up at 80% with a population of 25 mil. Um, our CHOs obviously failed elementary mathematics never mind physiology talk about that another time.

Australopithecus 19th Aug 2021 20:08

If we had started with that philosophy a lot more of us wouldn’t be in this mess now because they'd be dead. So you’re right on that point. Someone failed elementary mathematics, that’s for sure.

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 22:09

Today the talk in NSW is 70% fully vaxxed is the threshold, with most venues including Gyms and such being allowed open with provision you have to present proof of full vaccination to enter. This is finally in line with what the euro zone is doing. Not arguing if it's right or not to persecute non vaxxers, but that is what is happening overseas and is working to get those businesses going again.

Looks a lot like some of the trouble stirring group have suddenly depart this realm, willingly or not who know's.

MickG0105 19th Aug 2021 22:11

A new study out of the UK released in pre-print - Impact of Delta on viral burden and vaccine effectiveness against new SARS-CoV-2 infections in the UK’ by Koen B. Pouwels et al.

Some interesting professional commentary on same here.

minigundiplomat 19th Aug 2021 22:46

Maybe some of you need to head over to Military Aviation
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9f78382eb.jpeg

Potsie Weber 19th Aug 2021 23:15

No Bali holidays until 2028! Maybe this will see the sandgropers revolt on State Daddy and his zero COVID!

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881974867z


Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 23:22

Well it appears that today old Gladys will finally overcome her fear of being labelled a racist and introduce tougher lockdown measures in some suburbs. Strange how this comes after weeks of inaction but the day after reports of people in the state liberal party making plans to select a new leader should she either step aside, not likely or be forced out. Nothing like seeing your own job on the line to focus the mind and actually do the right thing.

as for 70% and those fully vaccinated might be allowed to go back to the gym or get a haircut. Well big deal. And why have we not actually seen the complete details of what happens at 6 million vaccines. That seems to have been forgotten. And the full details of what happens at 70% and then at 80%. Are we five years old. That is how we are being treated. Or has it taken the useless health public servants two months to do what should take two days.

Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 23:40


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11098180)
No Bali holidays until 2028! Maybe this will see the sandgropers revolt on State Daddy and his zero COVID!

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881974867z

Bali will find a way. The Russians will flood the market with their stack of charter operators. Just like they did after the bombing. The Russians are coming. They love Bali more than us. Russian men that is.

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 23:43


as for 70% and those fully vaccinated might be allowed to go back to the gym or get a haircut. Well big deal.
I think you miss the point that if Gyms and Salons are allowed to open then everything else will be as well. Just need a few political kicks in the bum to reopen those borders.


Bali will find a way. The Russians will flood the market with their stack of charter operators. Just like they did after the bombing. The Russians are coming. They love Bali more than us. Russian men that is.
Bali is not open anyway, even if you wanted to go, from what's been said its' empty and has been gutted. I think most are missing the point that a lot of places wont let you in unless you are fully vaccinated anyway, even if Australia does let you out. A lot of posters keep talking like this has only affected Australia somehow.

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 23:58


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098188)
I think you miss the point that if Gyms and Salons are allowed to open then everything else will be as well. Just need a few political kicks in the bum to reopen those borders.

Then what is the 80% for if everything is already open. The complete lack of any detail is utterly disgraceful. Nine weeks and we have nothing except the last day a rumour that we can go to the gym. They need to take a very large broom through the health department bureaucracy and do a major cull.

Bali is not open anyway, even if you wanted to go, from what's been said its' empty and has been gutted. I think most are missing the point that a lot of places wont let you in unless you are fully vaccinated anyway, even if Australia does let you out. A lot of posters keep talking like this has only affected Australia somehow.


I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:01

Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:01


I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

Foxxster 20th Aug 2021 00:04


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11098197)
Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

the uk still cannot travel directly to the us for this reason, but us residents can travel to the uk. I think AstraZeneca is the issue. The us hasn’t approved it so have not used it themselves. It was a sticking point a couple of months ago when they started negotiating. Appears it hasn’t been resolved.


WingNut60 20th Aug 2021 00:11


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098198)
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

One significant driver that's not getting much of a mention here is overseas students.
I am aware that universities have ramped up distance ed. and on-line tutoring but I am sure that is not as financially rewarding as having dorms full of foreign students.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:11


the uk still cannot travel directly to the us for this reason, but us residents can travel to the uk. I think AstraZeneca is the issue. The us hasn’t approved it so have not used it themselves. It was a sticking point a couple of months ago when they started negotiating. Appears it hasn’t been resolved.
I was reading the other day that the AZ issue was purely the issues with the final phase testing not having sufficient over 65s in the cohort. For some reason AZ is not even seeking approval from the FDA for use within the US, so who knows if that will be fixed. As for it being the reason for not being let into the US I have no idea on that.


One significant driver that's not getting much of a mention here is overseas students.
I am aware that universities have ramped up distance ed. and on-line tutoring but I am sure that is not as financially rewarding as having dorms full of foreign stude
It was definitely in the news early on, but public sentiment is way off on those lot. Letting a few students in from places like China or India to fill the coffers of perceived rich/rorting universities is a political minefield.

minigundiplomat 20th Aug 2021 00:13


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098195)
I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .

that was an issue a few months back but on the whole has been resolved. It’s nothing like the nonsense we have here.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:25

I can just see it coming, The vaccines are good for about 5 months before you need a booster, eventually that probably won't be free. How many shots do I take before I conclude do I really need to be doing this.

Capn Rex Havoc 20th Aug 2021 00:31

43In -

Looks a lot like some of the trouble stirring group have suddenly depart this realm, willingly or not who know's.
Who exactly, are you referring to here, and what "trouble" have this fictitious group of yours been causing?


nomilk 20th Aug 2021 00:33

Germany and Singapore start a "vaccinated travel lane". Lots of tests, but opening up for business travellers and tourists.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...travel-without

Global Aviator 20th Aug 2021 00:35


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11098197)
Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

The answer is yes, like many countries. They will accept any WHO recognised vaccine.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098210)
43In -

Who exactly, are you referring to here, and what "trouble" have this fictitious group of yours been causing?

Bueller! he's having a day off

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:41


Germany and Singapore start a "vaccinated travel lane". Lots of tests, but opening up for business travellers and tourists.
VTL flights is new, and airlines already offering it. So you can only get on the flight if you are fully vaccinated, looks like more and more you will be corralled into getting vaccinated whether you like it or not. That or you will be never leaving the country.

KRviator 20th Aug 2021 00:46


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098218)
So you can only get on the flight if you are fully vaccinated, looks like more and more you will be corralled into getting vaccinated whether you like it or not. That or you will be never leaving the country. your home state.

Fixed it for you.

Turnleft080 20th Aug 2021 00:57


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098198)
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

Back up a bit. Lets get back to the objective. That is to get to this so called 70/80%. When that happens everyone has a differing opinion of who and what opens. Scotty himself said, we treat this like the flu. If that's the case, then that means we go back to living 2019 style. Pollies will squabble over this as we know. This comes to another question? One death is way to many at the moment with present lockdowns, what number will they accept when we get to 80%.
Just one good thing came out of yesterday. That is, Gladys said "we have to learn to live with the virus and we have to look at hospitalisations numbers instead of cases."

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:09

How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 01:12


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098226)
How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

Assuming those seats aren't already lost

SOPS 20th Aug 2021 01:22


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098226)
How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

You want to penalise Mark and hope they won’t lose Federal seats. Good luck with that.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 01:23


Back up a bit. Lets get back to the objective. That is to get to this so called 70/80%. When that happens everyone has a differing opinion of who and what opens. Scotty himself said, we treat this like the flu. If that's the case, then that means we go back to living 2019 style. Pollies will squabble over this as we know. This comes to another question? One death is way to many at the moment with present lockdowns, what number will they accept when we get to 80%.
Just one good thing came out of yesterday. That is, Gladys said "we have to learn to live with the virus and we have to look at hospitalisations numbers instead of cases."
I think today they pretty much announced what is going to happen, hit 70%, venues that are vulnerable to virus spread, pubs, Gyms, restaurants can open with proof of vaccination required to attend. Businesses will be fine because one, they can trade and two, it gives them some control over having sick loss of productivity. I think that's pretty much saying what is going to happen for at least the next year or few. If it works out in NSW and people accept it, then Vic, Qld and SA will follow. WA, who knows, McGowan was given a clear mandate in this years election what they do, forget them, that's up to West Aussies to sort out for themselves, let the rest of Australia deal with their problems first.

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:24

Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 01:27


Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?
Feds can legislate who can enter the country. States can use emergency powers to control movement within a state, including quarantine.

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11098233)
You want to penalise Mark and hope they won’t lose Federal seats. Good luck with that.

Couldn’t care less whom is in power, they are all inept. Selfishly just want to get back to racing narrow bodies across the bight, and earn a living again.



Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098236)
Feds can legislate who can enter the country. States can use emergency powers to control movement within a state, including quarantine.

Thanks. Will have to get that sorted, I am hoping big business will turn the screws on Mcgowan.

Capn Rex Havoc 20th Aug 2021 01:42


The answer is yes, like many countries. They will accept any WHO recognised vaccine.
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......


Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.
US does not have a vaccine passport system.

Chris2303 20th Aug 2021 01:48

31 total in NZ today, including 3 in WLG.

1500 update from the PM will advise on lockdown extensions

I find it a little bit ironic that she is being lauded for her handling but she is the one who let the virus in. Mind you, we'd all be dead by now if the other lot were in power.

WingNut60 20th Aug 2021 01:57


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098235)
Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?

Are you sure he said that?

The only reference that I can find is Ross Taylor saying "“He (McGowan) effectively said until Bali is COVID zero, West Australians aren’t going back,” Taylor said."
That's one way to read what he said.
I believe that what he said was "border closures and targeted lock downs will remain options even when 80 per cent of the population has been vaccinated"
As the president and founder of the "Indonesia Institute Incorporated" he may have particular concerns about this possibility but I think this response tends towards being a "knee-jerk" reaction.

Now, for the others, if your hearing has been affected by multiple years of skolling Resch's drain water in the local bowlo then maybe you heard him say something different.
But it's not what I heard him say.

cynphil 20th Aug 2021 02:27


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098241)
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......

US does not have a vaccine passport system.

Canada does accept Astra Zeneca…

MickG0105 20th Aug 2021 02:41


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098241)
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ca4dcc41ff.jpg
From https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...ntering-canada

Turnleft080 20th Aug 2021 04:35

I have been trying to find info (maybe someone can) on the sudden disappearance of the Wuhan, Alpha, Beta, Gamma variants. On most graphs they are down to < 2%. Vaccines pretty march started at the beginning of the year so it wasn't the vaccines that kicked them out. Did the Delta variant just push them aside. Don't know. Possibly they ran their course. i.e. The infection-spread and dissipation is done. Did they all reach herd immunity mainly in other parts of the world due to our international border closed. That took about 15 months say. In that case add 15 months to the Delta (March) = June 2022. By then the Delta will be < 2%. With the help of vaccines it should be quicker and quicker still the sooner you end lockdowns. Stacks of epidemiologists on tv though I would like them to answer this query. Or maybe the fantastic health advice department.

KRviator 20th Aug 2021 05:14

Here we go again....:ugh::mad:


A mother in northern New South Wales has been denied entry to Queensland for vital tests on a cyst on her four-month-old baby's brain, as border restrictions tighten.

Amy Gerang-Hall, who lives at Bangalow in the NSW north coast border region, had received a medical exemption to cross the border with her daughter, Davina, for a specialist MRI scan. However, Queensland Health has since told Ms Gerang-Hall it is treating all NSW patients as if they were from a hotspot.

"If we were to go there, we could only go into the Emergency Department and her neurologist would have to come and see her there, and everyone would be in PPE [Personal Protective Equipment]. "But she needs to have an MRI, which means she would have to go to the MRI department, and because that was in the hospital, we weren't allowed."
And from abit further down in the article:

Chris Ingall, a paediatrician in Lismore, NSW, said he was concerned border complications were placing infants' and children's lives at risk.Dr Ingall said it felt like déjà vu from a similar situation in 2020.

"Even last weekend we had four babies and children who required emergency care.

"Three of those four we had to send down to Newcastle because Queensland Health dictated that the parent would have to go into separate, self-funded hotel accommodation for two weeks of quarantine away from their child," he said. "So, the parents say, 'Look, I will just have to go south, even though I am moving away from my supports and family' and so forth. "We have babies who are breastfeeding, establishing breastfeeding, who have bowel obstructions, who have respiratory illness requiring ventilator support.

"There is this intractable Queensland Health approach, which I think is putting children's and babies' lives at risk."

It's been a year since Ballina couple Kimberley and Scott Brown lost one of their unborn twins. After suffering pregnancy complications, Ms Brown was flown to Sydney for emergency surgery, instead of a much closer Queensland hospital due to the border closure.Source

ruprecht 20th Aug 2021 05:55

I’d like my QLD flood levy back, please.

compressor stall 20th Aug 2021 06:01

Noticed on some FIR NOTAMs overseas no Q required if vaccinated… but second jab must be not more than 9 months old.

booster certificates anyone?


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