Imagine suggesting that we need a breakout and the accompanying fear, panic and misery to get you back to work sooner.

Sort your priorities out.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...09-p57qah.html


Just as I said... :}

Wage growth must be crushed, House prices to the moon, edu-migration rentseekers must be able to continue to sell off the quality of our kids education...

International travel will return as rapidly as the vaccination rates make it possible after the federal election.

Settle down mate, I was being facetious.

And that pretty much sums it all up.

Well said OBNO.

Political games under the guise of health care and " Safety " for all australians.

We are effectively being held hostage by those desperately trying to look relevant. We have all been on this oneway path for a long time now with seemily no exit strategy.

With an election year approaching, this has nothing to do with the welfare of australians ( unless you are a celebrity, Tennis player, Cricketer or very wealthy ). Have an election tomorrow and watch things change border wise.

This ridiculous situation is a politicians olympics.

But hey, the economy is going gangbusters!!!!!!. Really?

These slugs cant even manage a vacine rollout. How the hell are they going to navigate a clear path forward for the country?

MCD

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...0a9094cdab7071

This sounds positive.... not!!!!

Yet another failure of the Submarine with fly screens known as Hotel Quarantine. But Scomo said it’s 99.99% effective? Yeah right 99.8% of returned travellers never had it in the fist place. With the latest leak in Adelaides ****ty system, if you look at all positive returned travellers this ****show is now approaching a 5% leak rate, completely unacceptable. SA and WA now have the worst leak rate in hotel quarantine per positive cases, quite frankly I would now banish them from the hotel quarantine system full stop. When will we actually get the Feds to actually do something and build quarantine centres as recommended 1 year ago? Let’s face it SA and WA have been the main culprits in shutting borders down but it’s now obvious why…they can’t handle anything properly…..bumpkins….and don’t bag me I’ve lived in both WA and SA, just their governments are crap atm.

So you’re overseas and you don’t have covid. You return to Australia covid-free for hotel quarantine that YOU PAY FOR. You then spend two weeks sitting in a ****ty hotel room where you catch covid from some random bloke next door.

F*ck that.

I’m guessing now 2023???


https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...5c63354da71758

So, Australia goes full circle and becomes a prisoner's island.

I had the same discussion with my wife tonight. I reckon things are at the stage where I'd be happier running around the US with two doses of Pfizer in my arm than I would be sitting unvaccinated in an Australian quarantine hotel.

So you finally took the red pill and saw the light?

I don’t know what that means, but maybe? Generally my wife tells me what colour the pill is and what I should be seeing so I just go with that.

“Taking the red pill” is a term used by some to describe when you stop believing “mainstream opinion” and start believing “the secret truth”. Widely used by conspiracy theorists.

However in relation to the above post it wouldn’t be applicable, as it is mainstream scientific opinion that vaccines provide safety from viral illnesses. So wanting to be vaccinated to protect against Covid would be taking the “blue pill” (remaining with mainstream thought), whereas anti vaxxers will say they took the “red pill” when they realised the “truth” about vaccines.

I'm now over 50. Taking the "blue pill" means something else again!!!

Think you’re misinterpreting my point.

I’m vaccinated.

My point was all the data and cases loads and deaths you’re reading about in the USA is massively inflated.

I’ve witnessed first hand in the US car crash victims being chalked up as Covid death even though Covid had zero to do with it, the deceased wasn’t even tested for it.

Secondly I personally know of more than a few people that we positive for Covid, took two weeks off, and then tested positive another 9-10 times after the two weeks. All the subsequent positive tests (from the same person!), counted as new Covid cases here in the US.

The above is the norm, not the exception.

Think Costco has Tin Foil on sale today

***Cough*** Bull**** ***Cough***

What he said.

Can you elaborate on the details of this?

Ugh...I thought people moved past this ridiculous conspiracy theory.
The car accident thing has been proven as utterly false, initially let loose on the public by a conservative FOX news host crackpot. Again, it is not true and never has been.
As for the testing being counted repeatedly, this actually did happen in VERY few locations and these numbers were corrected once it was identified the hospital staff had been mistakenly counting multiple cases, the amount of difference it made on the total numbers was negligible.

There was some evidence that people on Medicare (US govt subsidised medical cover for over 65s) were having their death certificates state cause of death as CoVID, even if they had recovered from it or they were never tested before death. This is because the hospital would get a bigger payout on insurance if cause of death was CoVID.

This wasn't widespread and was stamped out pretty quickly.

Well who can believe any WuHu flu death statistics. The UK are saying their numbers could be overstated by something like 25% while Fauci in the US is saying the real number of deaths is more likely 900,000 not 600,000. So UNDERstated by 33%.

And if you have two advanced countries questioning their own numbers by a very large margin but in opposite directions then you would have to put a very large question mark over ALL numbers.

So yes the numbers on the whole are rubbish. And of course we now have India. The numbers there may as well have been pulled out of a hat.

The graphs on excess mortality are a good indication that something is going on.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...ality-p-scores

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...medium=Twitter

also why would they be tested 10 times, so much BS in your comment you sound like trump / conspiracy nut

yes I am not denying that.

actually the US figures were from this study which indicates a lot more suspected under reporting. I believe Fauci knew about the study but didn’t actually agree with the 900,000 number. He did say there was under reporting .

I can’t find the other study from the UK showing large over reporting. I read it around a month ago.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1188

your point being what? your link states there's evidence that the virus will keep setting off positive PCR tests well after someone has recovered from an infection. Which means many positive tests are bogus.
There's many instances in the US with work where they test people as a condition of entry - so being tested numerous times like that doesn't seem unusual.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-...eats/100140260

First Indian repatriation post-ban flight left half empty due to the amount of passengers testing positive...hopefully they will oversell to avoid the flight leaving with so many empty seats. Will be interesting to see how many will further test positive at a later date in quarantine.

And if there is a leak out of HS, you watch those state borders slam shut again.

Does it matter if they ALL have it? Isn’t that the presumption and purpose of quarantine anyway? How ever many we let in, we are meant to able to cope with all of them having it, aren’t we???

Actually no..... the NT government has been very clear about this. We can cope with a maximum of 100 positive cases in Howard Springs and no more than one or two that require intensive care beds without crashing our one and only public hospital in Darwin which does not have many intensive care beds at all. If too many test positive they will slow down the number of Indian arrivals.... after all we are a tiny jurisdiction of only 250,000 people.

It doesn't leave until tonight. Of the 70 to be left behind about 40 tested positive from the PCR test conducted in the last 2 days (and the other 30 are close contacts). Additionally there is a rapid antigen test to be done before boarding the aircraft so wouldn't be surprised if there are some more discovered.
Don't think overselling comes into it..... the passengers apparently were in hotels paid for by Qantas (for the first round of testing) .... so I would guess just the ones planned to get flown back!

Crazy that of a relatively random sample of 150 people in India who are probably richer and more health conscious than average, still 70 returned a positive test. Vindication for scomo in turning off the arrivals from India. Vastly more positives coming from there than the US at their peak.

They should keep going down the list until they get enough pax testing negative to fill a 787.

What a terribly thought out plan that was! A quarantine facility that can’t actually quarantine the sick.

only 40 positives, 30 are negative but cant fly as they are close contact to a positive. that said 27% positive rate is freaking scary number

My understanding.... its not about quarantining the sick any more than hotel quarantine is.... its about returning people and managing a certain percentage that may be sick. pretty sure any state would be the same if they had one flight arrive with 1/4 of the passengers infected

Particularly as they were in a hotel paid for by Qantas and that was the first covid test..... i assume they were asymptomatic.... even more scary. Lets see what the rapid test says on the remaining passengers before they board the flight to Darwin tonight.... that might or might not be even more scarey!
I live in Darwin and to be clear I do support returning Australians.... but ... we are a small territory with a small population and it has to be managed to be safe to the locals.

No, that’s what being scared and ill prepared gets us. We’ve had over a year to prepare for how to handle inbound Aussies - fortress Australia is a joke - but we tell ourselves we’re the best.

A joke that is able to actually casually vaccinate? (Albeit a cockup)

The situation is not being managed at an optimal level for repatriation. I do not think for one minute, that the rest of the world would be thinking that Australia or for that matter, NZ are a joke when considering a world pandemic.

it is like that piece of paradise everyone on the planet is searching for and attempting to gain entry to, in an apocalypse. Using any means possible…..

Think any apocalyptic movie; Mad Max or Waterworld etc.