Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10831434)
There are still many repatriation flights being organised, simple fact.
Yes the government decides where they must go, ultimately quarantine decision. I fear while plane loads are still inbound the flare ups will continue. The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others. A token fine won't deter these idiots - in any case most would not be able to pay a fine. Cutting their dole should be an option, but the civil liberties mob would raise a stink at that idea. Mandatory testing for anyone posing a risk is also something much needed, and again opposed by the bleeding heart brigade. Perhaps tracking cuffs like they fit to criminals out on parole in some places needs to become mandatory for anyone subject to a quarantine order, but again the civil libertarians would object. Offenders need to be removed to somewhere out of the general populous like a big jail in the desert. Ground zero at Maralinga would be ideal. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10831568)
That “commentator” is one of those far right “patriots” who have been rising in prominence over the last few years. He’s also a convicted wife basher who used a wooden chopping board to bash his ex wife.
You’ve got to think of the mental capacity of people who post uneducated rubbish from the utter filth of society like this guy and pass it off as “science”. were you able to specifically address what was incorrect or non factual in that video, or do you just prefer to stick to the ad hominem approach? |
Are you able to show one that is correct? Without using YouTube as a ‘credible’ source?
Some other standard questions Did 9/11 have some other conspiracy about it? Did the moon landing actually occur? Was there only one shooter of JFK? Was Trevor Chappel following CIA orders to bowl underarm to destabilise Aus Nz relations and create a starting point for WWIII? |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 10831590)
The 'plane loads of inbounds' are no longer the problem. It is easy for the authorities to identify, test and quarantine the limited number of arrivals from overseas.
The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others. A token fine won't deter these idiots - in any case most would not be able to pay a fine. Cutting their dole should be an option, but the civil liberties mob would raise a stink at that idea. Mandatory testing for anyone posing a risk is also something much needed, and again opposed by the bleeding heart brigade. Perhaps tracking cuffs like they fit to criminals out on parole in some places needs to become mandatory for anyone subject to a quarantine order, but again the civil libertarians would object. Offenders need to be removed to somewhere out of the general populous like a big jail in the desert. Ground zero at Maralinga would be ideal. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286 |
The assessment of the factual basis of any you tube presentation of "the facts" and "this is where the media gets it wrong" is that it is BS. That is relevant for either wing of the political parrot that is being spruiked. Too much of this crap gets "shared" and "liked" on social media without anyone just doing a quick search of the organisation behind the presentation. If you wouldn't put their leaflets in a letter box drop then don't spread it around on the internet.
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ex ABC: Major coronavirus breach at Sydney Airport as entire flight from Melbourne..
Article link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286
Passengers on a flight from Melbourne to Sydney last night disembarked without being screened by NSW Health officials, in a major breach of the state's coronavirus protocols. ...... S28 |
Originally Posted by Section28- BE
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10831610)
The assessment of the factual basis of any you tube presentation of "the facts" and "this is where the media gets it wrong" is that it is BS. That is relevant for either wing of the political parrot that is being spruiked. Too much of this crap gets "shared" and "liked" on social media without anyone just doing a quick search of the organisation behind the presentation. If you wouldn't put their leaflets in a letter box drop then don't spread it around on the internet.
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Surely everyone does not believe that we will be in this good position in two weeks time?! Have to be honest with ourselves. NSW should have closed the borders ASAP not given 72hrs notice. There is now 3 confirmed cases in ACT two traveled to ML one was a close contact those three went to markets went to Belconnen shopping centre who knows how many they could have affected. School holidays plenty Victorians travelling, COVID will run rampart again in two or three weeks.
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Originally Posted by directimped
(Post 10831619)
Where are all the Dan haters now?
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Originally Posted by chazwazza14
(Post 10831514)
Dan used a contractor, who then used a sub contractor, so there is no accountability. When there is no accountability, you have people who don’t care, you have people that have less training, and this leads the breaks in protocol.
The subbies are accountable to the prime contractor The prime contractor is responsible to the government department that hired them (and I'm picking that isn't Dan personally) The Government department is responsible to their political masters |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10831624)
Surely everyone does not believe that we will be in this good position in two weeks time?! Have to be honest with ourselves. NSW should have closed the borders ASAP not given 72hrs notice. There is now 3 confirmed cases in ACT two traveled to ML one was a close contact those three went to markets went to Belconnen shopping centre who knows how many they could have affected. School holidays plenty Victorians travelling, COVID will run rampart again in two or three weeks.
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Originally Posted by directimped
(Post 10831619)
Where are all the Dan haters now?
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Dan needs a story to divert some attention away from his blunders.
Oh here comes the next biggy, top job Jetstar! |
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Oh here comes the next biggy, top job Jetstar![/QUOTE] Yeah good one mate you’re a real specimen. It’s NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML. |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10831716)
Yeah good one mate you’re a real specimen. It’s NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML.
"An email from Sydney Airport leaked to the ABC claims Jetstar breached NSW Government health orders by allowing travellers on flight JQ520, which landed at 6:53pm, to get off without being checked." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286 https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...08-p55a68.html https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavi...ning-c-1153369 |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10831716)
Yeah good one mate you’re a real specimen. It’s NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML.
As part of the procedure, Jetstar handover the manifest and passengers to the Health Department at the gate. The did not. They just let them all off. They managed to get about two thirds of them back by chasing after them all. Nine said health officials and authorities were grilling Jetstar staff at the gate soon after on why they did not follow instructions. |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 10831576)
I think you also have to think about the mental capacity of those who believe it.
This is the match that has lit up the bushfire. COVID-19 is wild again just when we were winning the fight (in Australia at least). If you are happy to live with the Australian economy going into a full depression, lose your job with more redundancies on the cards and watch your friends & family not able to work in other sectors as a direct result of this then you are a more forgiving person than me. |
An MPs view on it for those who didn’t like the guy in the other video...
https://www.2gb.com/that-incompetent...ne-locks-down/ |
Doesn't matter the source, they'll find a problem with it.
The message is the same. |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 10831590)
The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others.
Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them. |
Originally Posted by andrewr
(Post 10832459)
Pilots are not an exception. I know pilots who went flying during the first lock down when they were not supposed to be leaving their homes. A couple of weeks ago there was a fly-in in Victoria when gatherings were supposed to be limited to 10 people.
Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them. Its not one of the 4 reasons to leave your home is it? (Supplies, education, medical, giving care). the authorities could be even stricter this lock down if you take off from a Melbourne metro aeridrome and fly to ththe country |
Green dot, I’m not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers. Nothing to do with the SNAFU with the hotel guards in Victoria. That one speaks for itself. There’s seems to be in the Victorian Government culture a reluctance to use defence assets. No surprise given the deputy chief medical officers social views. They are taking medical advice from someone who can’t even control herself on Twitter. Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months. I think however that is more to do with the nature of the virus and could happen in any of the states.
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10832462)
the lockdown absolutely applies to recreational flying.
Another example is Gordon Rich-Phillips, who was flying around the state during the first lockdown and giving pilots a bad name. A reminder that with ADSB everyone can see who you are and where you go. (Also probably Avplan and OzRunways if you use the traffic features.) |
Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 10832471)
Green dot, I’m not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers.
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Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months. He is incompetent and has now cost the economy billions. |
Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. That’s another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.
I wouldn’t expect Melbourne to Queensland until November. There will be a fairly long monitoring period once the lockdown is over to see if Victoria can manage. Anastasia will be in no hurry to open her state up to Victoria as seen previously. Any NSW spike and you can forget going anywhere this year. |
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Coronavirus Cases: 8,886from worldometers. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10832506)
Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. That’s another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10832531)
How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel you’re comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.
It doesn’t matter what state you live in, consumer confidence nationally will fall following the Vic spikes. |
He/She maybe right, I’m sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless it’s to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden I’m sure they won’t let it be as I’m sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10832542)
He/She maybe right, I’m sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless it’s to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden I’m sure they won’t let it be as I’m sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.
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Let the 1% die. If they don’t then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and let’s get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.
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You are quoting figures from Australia.
If you want to let it rip (thanks for volunteering your old folks and probably yourGP as tribute) then do the figures for the American figures or that now fallen star of Sweden who’s chief epidemiologist now admits he got it wrong. The Victorian figures now are trending worse then when all this started so the stats for your argument are probably shortly to be outdated, Anyway this may be the least of our issues as we poke China in the eye over mini China. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 10832474)
Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10832531)
You base this on what facts? I understand capacity into and out of Victoria is affected, QLD NSW and other states showing strong demand loads have been over 175 to sold out everywhere I’ve been. 4 months is a made up figure unless you have facts stating otherwise if so please share. How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel you’re comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.
The burden for any airline especially QF and VA is the prolonged cash burn. Jetstar had significant plans in capacity for the next half out of Melbourne. Melbourne is a large Jetstar base. Alan and Gareth were fairly bullish in regards to domestic capacity in the next half. They had to, no choice, need to reduce that cash burn. Another 4 months of standstill will just drag that cash burn on and on. Not much opportunity to reduce it. You just hope there isn’t an outbreak in NSW. I’m not overly confident Melbourne can keep a lid on it either after September. Essentially we need to wait until Mid to Late September to see how Melbourne goes during round 2 in order to work out where we go next. |
WA borders just got a lot tighter. Both national and international. People who were coming from Victoria to work on the mines and things like that.. no longer can. If you have been in Victoria in the last 14 days.. you are no longer allowed to come into WA, no matter what reason you have. The only exception are transport and freight workers. More to come ...
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Originally Posted by zanthrus
(Post 10832558)
Let the 1% die. If they don’t then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and let’s get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.
Sounds nice to me, I vote you first |
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