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Mach E Avelli 8th Jul 2020 03:36


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10831434)
There are still many repatriation flights being organised, simple fact.

Yes the government decides where they must go, ultimately quarantine decision.

I fear while plane loads are still inbound the flare ups will continue.

The 'plane loads of inbounds' are no longer the problem. It is easy for the authorities to identify, test and quarantine the limited number of arrivals from overseas.

The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others. A token fine won't deter these idiots - in any case most would not be able to pay a fine. Cutting their dole should be an option, but the civil liberties mob would raise a stink at that idea. Mandatory testing for anyone posing a risk is also something much needed, and again opposed by the bleeding heart brigade.
Perhaps tracking cuffs like they fit to criminals out on parole in some places needs to become mandatory for anyone subject to a quarantine order, but again the civil libertarians would object.
Offenders need to be removed to somewhere out of the general populous like a big jail in the desert. Ground zero at Maralinga would be ideal.

kingRB 8th Jul 2020 04:05


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10831568)
That ďcommentatorĒ is one of those far right ďpatriotsĒ who have been rising in prominence over the last few years. Heís also a convicted wife basher who used a wooden chopping board to bash his ex wife.

Youíve got to think of the mental capacity of people who post uneducated rubbish from the utter filth of society like this guy and pass it off as ďscienceĒ.


were you able to specifically address what was incorrect or non factual in that video, or do you just prefer to stick to the ad hominem approach?

ozbiggles 8th Jul 2020 04:22

Are you able to show one that is correct? Without using YouTube as a ‘credible’ source?

Some other standard questions
Did 9/11 have some other conspiracy about it?
Did the moon landing actually occur?
Was there only one shooter of JFK?
Was Trevor Chappel following CIA orders to bowl underarm to destabilise Aus Nz relations and create a starting point for WWIII?

Stickshift3000 8th Jul 2020 04:30


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10831590)
The 'plane loads of inbounds' are no longer the problem. It is easy for the authorities to identify, test and quarantine the limited number of arrivals from overseas.

The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others. A token fine won't deter these idiots - in any case most would not be able to pay a fine. Cutting their dole should be an option, but the civil liberties mob would raise a stink at that idea. Mandatory testing for anyone posing a risk is also something much needed, and again opposed by the bleeding heart brigade.
Perhaps tracking cuffs like they fit to criminals out on parole in some places needs to become mandatory for anyone subject to a quarantine order, but again the civil libertarians would object.
Offenders need to be removed to somewhere out of the general populous like a big jail in the desert. Ground zero at Maralinga would be ideal.

Yep, that and numerous systemic breakdowns in critical government checks and protocols:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286

Lookleft 8th Jul 2020 04:42

The assessment of the factual basis of any you tube presentation of "the facts" and "this is where the media gets it wrong" is that it is BS. That is relevant for either wing of the political parrot that is being spruiked. Too much of this crap gets "shared" and "liked" on social media without anyone just doing a quick search of the organisation behind the presentation. If you wouldn't put their leaflets in a letter box drop then don't spread it around on the internet.

Section28- BE 8th Jul 2020 04:49

ex ABC: Major coronavirus breach at Sydney Airport as entire flight from Melbourne..
 
Article link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286


Passengers on a flight from Melbourne to Sydney last night disembarked without being screened by NSW Health officials, in a major breach of the state's coronavirus protocols.
......
rgds
S28

directimped 8th Jul 2020 05:02


Originally Posted by Section28- BE (Post 10831612)

Where are all the Dan haters now?

Stickshift3000 8th Jul 2020 05:10


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10831610)
The assessment of the factual basis of any you tube presentation of "the facts" and "this is where the media gets it wrong" is that it is BS. That is relevant for either wing of the political parrot that is being spruiked. Too much of this crap gets "shared" and "liked" on social media without anyone just doing a quick search of the organisation behind the presentation. If you wouldn't put their leaflets in a letter box drop then don't spread it around on the internet.

We live in the age of misinformation..!

Ragnor 8th Jul 2020 05:18

Surely everyone does not believe that we will be in this good position in two weeks time?! Have to be honest with ourselves. NSW should have closed the borders ASAP not given 72hrs notice. There is now 3 confirmed cases in ACT two traveled to ML one was a close contact those three went to markets went to Belconnen shopping centre who knows how many they could have affected. School holidays plenty Victorians travelling, COVID will run rampart again in two or three weeks.

Stickshift3000 8th Jul 2020 06:05


Originally Posted by directimped (Post 10831619)
Where are all the Dan haters now?

To ensure fairness the NSW government probably felt the need to treat these air arrivals as they did the arrivals from the Ruby Princess. They have a pretty good record for this type of thing.

Chris2303 8th Jul 2020 06:12


Originally Posted by chazwazza14 (Post 10831514)
Dan used a contractor, who then used a sub contractor, so there is no accountability. When there is no accountability, you have people who donít care, you have people that have less training, and this leads the breaks in protocol.

There is accountability.
The subbies are accountable to the prime contractor
The prime contractor is responsible to the government department that hired them (and I'm picking that isn't Dan personally)
The Government department is responsible to their political masters

DirectAnywhere 8th Jul 2020 06:20


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10831624)
Surely everyone does not believe that we will be in this good position in two weeks time?! Have to be honest with ourselves. NSW should have closed the borders ASAP not given 72hrs notice. There is now 3 confirmed cases in ACT two traveled to ML one was a close contact those three went to markets went to Belconnen shopping centre who knows how many they could have affected. School holidays plenty Victorians travelling, COVID will run rampart again in two or three weeks.

I suspect that Queensland will announce a delay to its border opening to NSW for another few weeks. I think thereís real concern in NSW Health that potentially infected travellers have had unrestricted access to NSW. Itís going to be a lot harder to put this genie back in the bottle than in March.

Buster Hyman 8th Jul 2020 06:32


Originally Posted by directimped (Post 10831619)
Where are all the Dan haters now?

They're in lockdown.:hmm:

wheels_down 8th Jul 2020 07:16

Dan needs a story to divert some attention away from his blunders.

Oh here comes the next biggy, top job Jetstar!

Ragnor 8th Jul 2020 07:37

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Oh here comes the next biggy, top job Jetstar![/QUOTE]

Yeah good one mate youíre a real specimen. Itís NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML.

currawong 8th Jul 2020 09:17


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10831716)
Yeah good one mate youíre a real specimen. Itís NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML.

Not how it is being reported...

"An email from Sydney Airport leaked to the ABC claims Jetstar breached NSW Government health orders by allowing travellers on flight JQ520, which landed at 6:53pm, to get off without being checked."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...eened/12433286

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...08-p55a68.html

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavi...ning-c-1153369

wheels_down 8th Jul 2020 11:45


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10831716)
Yeah good one mate youíre a real specimen. Itís NSW health and AFP to stop and screen passengers entering from ML.

Garbage

As part of the procedure, Jetstar handover the manifest and passengers to the Health Department at the gate.

The did not. They just let them all off. They managed to get about two thirds of them back by chasing after them all.

Nine said health officials and authorities were grilling Jetstar staff at the gate soon after on why they did not follow instructions.

Green.Dot 8th Jul 2020 21:43


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10831576)
I think you also have to think about the mental capacity of those who believe it.

Hopefully the $3 million enquiry will tell all. But what we do know is the Victorian Government used sh*te IQ security for hotel quarantine.

This is the match that has lit up the bushfire. COVID-19 is wild again just when we were winning the fight (in Australia at least).

If you are happy to live with the Australian economy going into a full depression, lose your job with more redundancies on the cards and watch your friends & family not able to work in other sectors as a direct result of this then you are a more forgiving person than me.


Green.Dot 8th Jul 2020 22:30

An MPs view on it for those who didnít like the guy in the other video...

https://www.2gb.com/that-incompetent...ne-locks-down/

Bodie1 8th Jul 2020 22:38

Doesn't matter the source, they'll find a problem with it.

The message is the same.

andrewr 8th Jul 2020 23:23


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10831590)
The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others.

Pilots are not an exception. I know pilots who went flying during the first lock down when they were not supposed to be leaving their homes. A couple of weeks ago there was a fly-in in Victoria when gatherings were supposed to be limited to 10 people.

Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them.

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 8th Jul 2020 23:29


Originally Posted by andrewr (Post 10832459)
Pilots are not an exception. I know pilots who went flying during the first lock down when they were not supposed to be leaving their homes. A couple of weeks ago there was a fly-in in Victoria when gatherings were supposed to be limited to 10 people.

Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them.

the lockdown absolutely applies to recreational flying.

Its not one of the 4 reasons to leave your home is it? (Supplies, education, medical, giving care).

the authorities could be even stricter this lock down if you take off from a Melbourne metro aeridrome and fly to ththe country

ozbiggles 8th Jul 2020 23:44

Green dot, I’m not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers. Nothing to do with the SNAFU with the hotel guards in Victoria. That one speaks for itself. There’s seems to be in the Victorian Government culture a reluctance to use defence assets. No surprise given the deputy chief medical officers social views. They are taking medical advice from someone who can’t even control herself on Twitter. Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months. I think however that is more to do with the nature of the virus and could happen in any of the states.

andrewr 8th Jul 2020 23:46


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10832462)
the lockdown absolutely applies to recreational flying.

Yes, I was suggesting that as pilots we need to look at ourselves and our fellow pilots.

Another example is Gordon Rich-Phillips, who was flying around the state during the first lockdown and giving pilots a bad name. A reminder that with ADSB everyone can see who you are and where you go. (Also probably Avplan and OzRunways if you use the traffic features.)

Chronic Snoozer 8th Jul 2020 23:46

Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html

Green.Dot 8th Jul 2020 23:48


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10832471)
Green dot, Iím not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers.

Apologies if I misunderstood mate, I thought you were questioning the content of the video 👍

Bodie1 9th Jul 2020 00:10


Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months.
Months? Maybe a year or two. Victoria's share of Australian GDP is about 25% plus the effect it has on other states GDP by not functioning. It's not simply a case of it's residents having another 6 weeks at home, it's cancellation of business, business confidence, is it going to happen again? What business would ramp back up to have this bullshit happen again. The airline industry is an immediate casualty of this mess. For others it will be a slow burn, others still, immediate. Plus the unseen effects, mental health etc.

He is incompetent and has now cost the economy billions.

wheels_down 9th Jul 2020 01:04

Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. Thatís another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.

I wouldnít expect Melbourne to Queensland until November. There will be a fairly long monitoring period once the lockdown is over to see if Victoria can manage. Anastasia will be in no hurry to open her state up to Victoria as seen previously.

Any NSW spike and you can forget going anywhere this year.

Green.Dot 9th Jul 2020 01:17

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/f...0200705-p5596l

Turnleft080 9th Jul 2020 01:18

Coronavirus Cases: 8,886
Deaths: 106
Recovered: 7,487

ACTIVE CASES
1,293
Currently Infected Patients
1,285 (99%)
in Mild Condition

8 (1%)
Serious or Critical

from worldometers.

They are the present numbers. Check out the recoveries. Not a bad ratio. This is got to be the final 6 weeks. No more extensions.
If we flatten the curve again well and good. If we don't then health officials have got to go herd immunity. Healthy people who
catch it have a 99% of recovery. Sick people who catch it have a 95% of recovery. Those with high lung infections i.e. lung cancer,
emphysema, COPD, need to be locked down. Those 106 unfortunate deaths 95% of them had those chronic conditions.
Those percentages are rough figures from the CDC which have the experts.
Which way will the government go. Which way do you want to go with this.

Ragnor 9th Jul 2020 01:52


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10832506)
Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. Thatís another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.

You base this on what facts? I understand capacity into and out of Victoria is affected, QLD NSW and other states showing strong demand loads have been over 175 to sold out everywhere Iíve been. 4 months is a made up figure unless you have facts stating otherwise if so please share. How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel youíre comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

Green.Dot 9th Jul 2020 02:04


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10832531)
How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel youíre comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

Unless a miracle happens over the next 6 weeks in Victoria Iíd say wheels_down is close the money. The exact monetary figure is anyoneís guess but it will be substantial.

It doesnít matter what state you live in, consumer confidence nationally will fall following the Vic spikes.

Ragnor 9th Jul 2020 02:09

He/She maybe right, Iím sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless itís to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden Iím sure they wonít let it be as Iím sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.

Green.Dot 9th Jul 2020 02:12


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10832542)
He/She maybe right, Iím sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless itís to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden Iím sure they wonít let it be as Iím sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.

I donít think wheels_down was targeting JQ. Completely agree with the above.

zanthrus 9th Jul 2020 03:09

Let the 1% die. If they don’t then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and let’s get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.

ozbiggles 9th Jul 2020 03:17

You are quoting figures from Australia.
If you want to let it rip (thanks for volunteering your old folks and probably yourGP as tribute) then do the figures for the American figures or that now fallen star of Sweden who’s chief epidemiologist now admits he got it wrong.
The Victorian figures now are trending worse then when all this started so the stats for your argument are probably shortly to be outdated,

Anyway this may be the least of our issues as we poke China in the eye over mini China.

exfocx 9th Jul 2020 03:37


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10832474)
Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html

Maybe you should look up the what's allowed and what isn't, the border closure has never been a hard closure. Flights between the states and from OS have been allowed from day one, as has vehicle traffic and there are processes in place to handle it. To call WA's border closure porous is ignorant.

wheels_down 9th Jul 2020 04:27


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10832531)
You base this on what facts? I understand capacity into and out of Victoria is affected, QLD NSW and other states showing strong demand loads have been over 175 to sold out everywhere Iíve been. 4 months is a made up figure unless you have facts stating otherwise if so please share. How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel youíre comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

Itís been based on no more outbreaks after September. Post Melbourne lockdown from September Anastasia wonít be opening the gates immediately. Thatís a fact. Victoria wonít be opening up immediately also. Itís a staged reopening as seen last month. Dan Andrews will be as cautious as ever, he canít afford another blunder on reopening otherwise he is gone. Job Keeper ends also soon after. There will be a period of 4-8 weeks of monitoring the numbers soon after opening. If they manage to keep a lid on it then itís now November and we can start opening up Tourism.

The burden for any airline especially QF and
VA is the prolonged cash burn. Jetstar had significant plans in capacity for the next half out of Melbourne. Melbourne is a large Jetstar base. Alan and Gareth were fairly bullish in regards to domestic capacity in the next half. They had to, no choice, need to reduce that cash burn. Another 4 months of standstill will just drag that cash burn on and on. Not much opportunity to reduce it.

You just hope there isnít an outbreak in NSW. Iím not overly confident Melbourne can keep a lid on it either after September.

Essentially we need to wait until Mid to Late September to see how Melbourne goes during round 2 in order to work out where we go next.

SOPS 9th Jul 2020 05:25

WA borders just got a lot tighter. Both national and international. People who were coming from Victoria to work on the mines and things like that.. no longer can. If you have been in Victoria in the last 14 days.. you are no longer allowed to come into WA, no matter what reason you have. The only exception are transport and freight workers. More to come ...

directimped 9th Jul 2020 05:46


Originally Posted by zanthrus (Post 10832558)
Let the 1% die. If they donít then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and letís get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.

So 2 or 300,000 dead (in Australia) but more likely over a million in ICU. The hospitals will be completely overwhelmed and they will be digging mass graves like they did in New York. That means if your car or plane crashes then no hospital bed for you sorry, you can die on the street.

Sounds nice to me, I vote you first


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