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Icarus2001 27th Nov 2021 07:20

I did laugh at this...


Australian government announced flights from South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Eswatini, and Mozambique are banned...
How many is that then?


It’s not a massive leap from listing countries to a return to fortress Australia
Sadly you may be correct. If so how about we are allowed to leave this time?

krismiler 27th Nov 2021 07:34

Singapore Airlines are offering flights to Brisbane and Adelaide from 15 January, Perth from 1 March.

​​​​​​https://mainlymiles.com/2021/11/25/s...ane-and-perth/

DirectAnywhere 27th Nov 2021 07:36

WA is closed to SA due to Omicron.🤣🤦‍♂️(Seriously).

SOPS 27th Nov 2021 08:06

I repeat. I can’t see WA opening its borders anytime soon.


Arrivals from South Australia 30 minutes ago (4.30pm) have been told they have to do 14 days Q, or return to SA.

logansi 27th Nov 2021 09:11

And the borders are starting to come down again for international arrivals.

NSW is ordering All travellers who have been in any other overseas country during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours, pending further health advice;

Icarus2001 27th Nov 2021 12:22


And the borders are starting to come down again for international arrivals.

NSW is ordering All travellers who have been in any other overseas country during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours, pending further health advice;
Oh FFS grow up. First of all a border is either open or closed. It is not Schrodingers cat! Your post shows that the border is in fact OPEN with the condition you go home for three days.

LostWanderer 27th Nov 2021 12:37


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11147803)
Oh FFS grow up. First of all a border is either open or closed. It is not Schrodingers cat! Your post shows that the border is in fact OPEN with the condition you go home for three days.

As of this moment yes. But who really can not see this is likely going to get much worse in the coming weeks. The border can remain as “open” as you want to believe it to be, but this is going to kill international travel numbers before it even really kicks off again so will have a similar effect as being shut.

White Knight 27th Nov 2021 18:46

Can’t believe how quickly some of you lot believe the media hype! Impressive words like ‘monstrous’ mutation and so on! Wow. Get back under your rocks and take cover!!! And be careful the sky doesn’t fall on your head too!

Information out of SA states that no one has yet been hospitalized with this ‘scary variant’. Im sure some will be but ffs, life has to go on now! You cannot keep stopping and restarting life!!!


SHVC 27th Nov 2021 19:50

2 cases in NSW just announced. Let’s see how the states react during the day. WA will make a new level of “stay the F away” category above the very high risk. QLD will be interesting they love nothing more than to close off to NSW id think they might delay their opening now.

minigundiplomat 27th Nov 2021 20:03

Nice to see the fear has started already.

Check_Thrust 27th Nov 2021 20:11


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11147928)
2 cases in NSW just announced. Let’s see how the states react during the day. WA will make a new level of “stay the F away” category above the very high risk. QLD will be interesting they love nothing more than to close off to NSW id think they might delay their opening now.

Although you might be right about the reactions of various premiers for interstate border restrictions the two COVID-19 cases that arrived in NSW are not yet confirmed as the Omicron strain (not sure if you were actually implying that they were).

LapSap 27th Nov 2021 22:05

More importantly, I want to know why the WHO skipped a couple of letters of the Greek alphabet and went for Omicron. Seeing as the letter before that is “Xi”, I wonder if there was a quick phone call from Beijing saying it wouldn’t be a good idea to call it that. :yuk:

DirectAnywhere 27th Nov 2021 23:24

NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

Torukmacto 28th Nov 2021 00:14

52 States in North America and I’m trying to research each states entry requirements. Can only find a single statement on quarantine requirements on arrival ? Is Australia more fractured and divided across state lines than the USA ?

krismiler 28th Nov 2021 00:36

Pharmaceutical companies are looking into the new varient to see if vaccines need to be tweeked, most case so far are of unvaccinated people so the present vaccine is at least partially effective.

COVID precautions are already in place, as are large scale vaccination programs. As we're coming upon to nearly a year since people started getting vaccinated, another shot or at least a booster jab is going to be needed for most people in 2022 anyway.

aussieflyboy 28th Nov 2021 00:46

Testing companies are charging Medicare around $120 per Covid test (70,000+ tests per day in VIC alone). Pfizer vaccine cost around $10 a pop. Perhaps we should all stop getting tested and direct the money to vaccinating the poorer less developed countries thus reducing the chance of virus mutations in the future.

43Inches 28th Nov 2021 02:20

Already being done Fiji owes its record vaccination uptake to the AZ that Australians shunned. Many other nations are receiving a lot of foreign aid in vaccination, money wont fix it, just more production of vaccine, which is at limits. You also have to get the locals to take the japb as well, the US is not stagnating at 50-60% vaccination due to lack of vaccine, it just suffers from high levels of stupid. King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it....

megle2 28th Nov 2021 02:36

43,

“ King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it.... “

you sure about that, I thought a study of who were actually holding off proved to be the opposite

Alfie.floor 28th Nov 2021 02:36


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11147995)
King stupid made a comeback today as well blaming Biden for the slow vaccination rate of the country, when he 'leads' the majority of those that refuse to take it....

How could anyone blame Biden for anything, he’s amazing! Let’s go Brandon!

itsnotthatbloodyhard 28th Nov 2021 02:43


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11147972)
NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

Unbelievable. One day they’re wearing brightly-coloured wigs and driving tiny cars around inside a big tent, next day they’re writing health directives.
God help us.

dr dre 28th Nov 2021 02:55


Originally Posted by megle2 (Post 11147996)
43,

you sure about that, I thought a study of who were actually holding off proved to be the reverse

Nope, it’s “King Stupid’s” mob in a poll taken in August of those who’ve chosen to take the vaccine:
  • Democrats: 88 percent
  • Independents: 60 percent
  • Republicans: 55 percent
  • Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent
  • Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent
  • Democratic Sanders-Warren voters: 88 percent
  • Democratic Biden voters: 87 percent
  • Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent
  • Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent

dr dre 28th Nov 2021 02:57


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11147972)
NSW - 14 days isolation for all flight crew, 3 days for pax pending advice. Joke. Flight crew have just been cut off from their families and society again.

I thought the new NSW Premier was some free market, limited government, personal responsibility hero?

DirectAnywhere 28th Nov 2021 03:20

Deleted due incorrect info

cloudsurfng 28th Nov 2021 04:44

My email says 14 days.

Sparrows. 28th Nov 2021 04:48


All flight crew who have been overseas during the 14-day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 14 days or until their departure on another flight that leaves Australia, consistent with the current rules for unvaccinated flight crew;
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/P...211128_00.aspx

itsnotthatbloodyhard 28th Nov 2021 04:48


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11148009)
He seems to be, because we're now back to 3 days, in line with Victoria.

Seems to have changed as soon as the adults got in to the office today.

The current online guidelines (as at 4.45 pm today) still say flight crew have to isolate for 14 days - https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...uidelines.aspx

Do you have other information?

DirectAnywhere 28th Nov 2021 05:09

It looks like you're correct. I was relying on the fact that specific reference to aircrew had been removed from the statement below on NSW Health website. It was there this morning but had been removed by this afternoon, referring only to "travellers".

But yes, digging deeper the health orders still seem to apply. Sorry, I'll edit my above post accordingly. Got over excited.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d9eb39b74.png


SHVC 28th Nov 2021 05:10


Originally Posted by Check_Thrust (Post 11147931)
Although you might be right about the reactions of various premiers for interstate border restrictions the two COVID-19 cases that arrived in NSW are not yet confirmed as the Omicron strain (not sure if you were actually implying that they were).

I have an inside source, that they’re infected with the new strain!

SOPS 28th Nov 2021 05:39


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11148024)
I have an inside source, that they’re infected with the new strain!

You are correct. They have it. Let’s see what happens next.

ManillaChillaDilla 28th Nov 2021 05:53

Here we go again.

Mcd

Foxxster 28th Nov 2021 06:10

Israel , a country that many look to for its good handling of WuHu flu have now closed their borders to EVERYONE for 14 days. That is all foreign nationals. All.




PoppaJo 28th Nov 2021 09:16

Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.

Australopithecus 28th Nov 2021 09:44

This was always going to happen given the sheer size of the petri dish that covid can mutate in. I expect that we are only in the early innings of the entire pandemic, but it could just as easily eventually mutate into something really contagious yet about like a bad cold in terms of mortality.

On a positive note Pfizer has suggested that they may be able to modify their vaccine to suit in as little as ten weeks. Which makes 2022 a repeat of 2021 if Omicron is as dangerous as Delta.

The early reports are only anecdotal, but there is a suggestion that hospitalisations are lower with Omicron. Here’s hoping…

chookcooker 28th Nov 2021 10:38


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11148094)
Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.

source?…?….

cessnapete 28th Nov 2021 11:55

Since C19 was a major actor in the UK, we have an Isolation exemption for "Essential Workers". ie Truck drivers crossing Borders with food supplies medication etc.. Also includes Flight and Cabin Crew. All are double vaccinated of course, and tested before a foreign trip. seems common sense, if mandatory 14day Isolation was mandated every time a crew went to Paris and back, we would very quickly bring airline aviation to a halt?
There has been no widespread C19 infection problems. even though mask wearing and social distancing cannot be routinely possible in the confines of a flight deck.

nonsense 28th Nov 2021 13:06


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 11147952)
More importantly, I want to know why the WHO skipped a couple of letters of the Greek alphabet and went for Omicron. Seeing as the letter before that is “Xi”, I wonder if there was a quick phone call from Beijing saying it wouldn’t be a good idea to call it that. :yuk:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/euro...28-p59cu0.html

In a statement, the WHO said it skipped Nu for clarity and Xi to avoid causing offence generally.

“‘Nu’ is too easily confounded with ‘new,’ and ‘Xi’ was not used because it is a common last name,” the WHO said, adding that the agency’s “best practices for naming disease suggest avoiding ‘causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups.‘”

Those best practices were outlined in a May 2015 document issued by the agency. The organisation said at the time that it wanted to “minimise unnecessary negative effects on nations, economies and people” when naming infectious diseases.

SHVC 28th Nov 2021 18:25

FFS SA doing 14 day quarantine stints again for international arrivals. NSW and Vic 3 days. What’s the bloody point of getting vaccinated, there will always be new variants is this how the reaction is going to be moving forward.

Servo 28th Nov 2021 20:42


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11148094)
Media have been advised of a briefing and presser around Quarantine changes tomorrow, across the board apparently not state by state.

Half expecting our rosters to dry up again very soon or next month at least. Looks like many will take a cautious approach over the next 4-8 weeks, good old peak season gone again.

What a blow.

Just like the beginning of this year PoppaJo. Had just gone back to 100% pay and then Delta. We wont be able to keep the house this time. We have only just managed to hold onto it this year. I am tired. The stress of not knowing if we are going to keep getting paid is taking its toll. Meanwhile the executive team and managers still get 100% and couldnt give a flying f%^k whether staff lose their house, marriage or in some cases minds.

Yet another great screw up by government and NSW health. Lets restrict movement to the country AFTER it has arrived in Australia. They dont care, they still continue getting paid, in fact it has secured them more time in their roles/positions.

DirectAnywhere 28th Nov 2021 20:57


Originally Posted by Servo (Post 11148441)
Yet another great screw up by government and NSW health. Lets restrict movement to the country AFTER it has arrived in Australia. They dont care, they still continue getting paid, in fact it has secured them more time in their roles/positions.

I feel for you Servo, I genuinely do, but given this thing was only announced by SA on 24/11, nominated as a VOC on 26/11, and the Omicron positive cases in NSW arrived on 23rd November, I'm not sure how much quicker you realistically think any authorities could have acted.

As someone said yesterday, the only damage from this thing so far has been indirect - the knee jerk reactions of governments in attempting to buy some time. Anecdotal evidence is emerging from both SA and Israel that illness is mild in the vaccinated. Anti-virals in the pipeline will still work. There is some good news out there.

I know it's tough but try not to get sucked in by the doom merchants. Even Brett Sutton said yesterday that in no way are we back to square one. Hopefully governments will listen and borders will remain open.

All the best to you Servo. Take care of yourself.

43Inches 28th Nov 2021 21:49

Hopefully with the statement from Sutton in Victoria that its impossible to keep out the strategy to 'live' with it will be the primary direction of at least Victoria. That has little comfort for particularly international aviation as its quite apparent already the borders are slamming shut and travel will stop. All this will do is really dent any comeback to travel overseas as people come to realise Covid ain't going away anytime soon. Travel plans are best to be shelved until something significant happens that says you won't have your plans and money lost to the ether time and again.


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