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plainmaker 2nd Feb 2021 03:11

I note with some interest some of the proposals being promulgated here. The use of mining villages would be a nightmare. The purpose of quarantine is to isolate the infected person from the community, AND ALSO from every other person in the same facility. Anyone who has worked FIFO at a mining compound will know just how claustrophobic Dongas are, and would be quite unsuitable for isolation purposes.

Think facilities that (a) offer a modicum of comfort (you are going to spend 14 days cooped up); (b) have a series of rooms that can isolate persons from one another (even floors) and (c0 offer the logistics of rapid medical intervention if needed plus food and ancillary support. So the Hotel property close to to the entry point seems the most logical option (unless you utilise all the unoccupied prison cells - dooh! there are few of those and even then most 'inmates' are not in lockdown 24/7.

The mismanagement of quarantine has been about the human factors - minimum wage individuals working 'security'. Perhaps an ADF/Borderforce management would be the better option.

Those who propose regional / remote locations (including for crew) - be careful what you wish for.

jrfsp 2nd Feb 2021 03:24

You do realise that Howard Springs is essentially dongas?

PoppaJo 2nd Feb 2021 03:42

I recall Qatar and Emirates saying they are not coming here if inbound arrivals are heading to the bush. NSW Government also had issues working with the International Airlines also saying, itís all too hard, we are not coming. And that was just sorting out hotel arrangements, let alone other extreme proposals.

Canít cut off the freight corridors, the numbers some are pulling in are huge. Outbound is also significant for some at the moment.

Hundreds of flight crews are still overnighting in the major capitals daily. The risk is still alive.

dr dre 2nd Feb 2021 03:53


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 10981375)
I recall Qatar and Emirates saying they are not coming here if inbound arrivals are heading to the bush.

Great opportunity for Australian airlines with knowledge and experience of remote aerodrome operations to fill the gap, increase Australian pilot employment and gain some leverage for more sensible crew quarantine arrangements.

neville_nobody 2nd Feb 2021 04:15


Great opportunity for Australian airlines with knowledge and experience of remote aerodrome operations to fill the gap, increase Australian pilot employment and gain some leverage for more sensible crew quarantine arrangements.

Problem will be additional to the expense is you are then putting many more Cabin Crew and to a lesser extent Pilots, at risk of Covid. Anyone who does the charter will then be quarantined for two weeks.

However if the state governments of Australia want to play the zero Covid game then this is what it will cost. Maybe they can starting footing the bill for their policies this time around.

Global Aviator 2nd Feb 2021 04:18

It is pretty much what QF are doing with the repat charters to Darwin is it not? Problem is they are few and far between.

I read the last flight had 144 pax, previously 172 pax?

The limit is Howard Springs not having capacity. It is currently at 600? Looking to go to 850? It is a 3000 bed facility so why not ramp up staff and logistics and use it? Itís there, itís built. There are also other ex worker camps around the country that could be utilised. Get the inbound charters to use the facilities.

Keep the required airlines coming with a handful of pax, cargo and outbound options.

The above immediately reduces the amount of pax requiring capital city quarantine, thus in less numbers it would be less risk?

QF, JQ and Virgin would love the 1000+ people a week coming out of quarantine and needing to get a domestic flight south.

In a situation like the above everyone is a winner.

jrfsp 2nd Feb 2021 04:27

While its still early in the piece, it seems WA Gov have done a good job of standing up testing capacity and contact tracing, contrary to all the naysayer's posts

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 2nd Feb 2021 04:44

There is no way that the airlines bringing people back home - those being almost entirely foreign airlines (because Aussie ones (and there's really only one) will not do it because there is no money in it) - will fly directly to a remote point in the GAFA with a minuscule capped pax load if there is nothing there for them to take out again ie full pax load or freight. That's all that's keeping them doing it out the capital cities now.

Great opportunity for Australian airlines with knowledge and experience of remote aerodrome operations to fill the gap
Which Australian airlines who also have the ability to operate long haul international would they be? As I said, we now only have one airline capable of international operations. The idea that the Aus Govt will charter innumerable QF flights (at great QF demanded expense) to cherrypicked destinations overseas at the frequency the foreign carriers are currently flying is ludicrous.

KRviator 2nd Feb 2021 05:12


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10981392)
While its still early in the piece, it seems WA Gov have done a good job of standing up testing capacity and contact tracing, contrary to all the naysayer's posts


A total of 3,171 coronavirus tests were conducted in WA yesterday, compared to the daily average of about 500, after a hotel security guard working at the Four Points by Sheraton Perth tested positive to coronavirus.Source
3,171 tests in 24 hours and they're skiting about that? :rolleyes: When they can get above 10,000 tests a day people might sit up and take notice, but until then, the whole "Look how good we've done!" commentary from McGoose & his lackeys is nauseating. NSW is still pushing over 10,000 tests a day without the threat of an outbreak. And at the height of the latest NSW outbreak they were a bees d!ck from cracking 70,000 tests in a day.

3,000 tests a day - when you've active community transmission and are concerned about it really getting out in the community? Pi$$-weak if you ask me.


StudentInDebt 2nd Feb 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10981406)
3,171 tests in 24 hours and they're skiting about that? :rolleyes: When they can get above 10,000 tests a day people might sit up and take notice, but until then, the whole "Look how good we've done!" commentary from McGoose & his lackeys is nauseating. NSW is still pushing over 10,000 tests a day without the threat of an outbreak. And at the height of the latest NSW outbreak they were a bees d!ck from cracking 70,000 tests in a day.

3,000 tests a day - when you've active community transmission and are concerned about it really getting out in the community? Pi$$-weak if you ask me.

There were c16,500 tests conducted yesterday, are you sitting up yet?

Ragnor 2nd Feb 2021 05:22

McClown said 15,000 test were conducted in the last 24hrs, and in his arrogance compared it to Sydney’s Avalon saying theirs is higher testing rate per capita. This guy is a real clown.

I wouldn’t trust this clown either, he waited 11hrs to tell gov there was a case which is against covid protocol. I will cover up any further positives.

Ladloy 2nd Feb 2021 07:01


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10981412)
McClown said 15,000 test were conducted in the last 24hrs, and in his arrogance compared it to Sydneyís Avalon saying theirs is higher testing rate per capita. This guy is a real clown.

I wouldnít trust this clown either, he waited 11hrs to tell gov there was a case which is against covid protocol. I will cover up any further positives.

The response of the government and public has been applauded and praised. The only criticism should be the worker having a second job.

compressor stall 2nd Feb 2021 07:11


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10981444)
The response of the government abd public has been applauded and praised. The only criticism should be the worker having a second job.

Que? Why hang it on the worker? He was permitted to have a second job (admittedly not for much longer). And praise the Government? What?? The WA Government should be copping a barrage for not introducing best practices from other states in a timely manner, although admittedly in this case they are very lucky the worker had apparently not worked the second uber driver job.

If I was running the inquiry, I'd be questioning the disparity between the extensive PPE worn by the AUSMAT team and others in the lobby vs the minimal level of PPE issued to the security guards in the less ventilated confines of the corridors.

Ladloy 2nd Feb 2021 07:59


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10981450)
Que? Why hang it on the worker? He was permitted to have a second job (admittedly not for much longer). And praise the Government? What?? The WA Government should be copping a barrage for not introducing best practices from other states in a timely manner, although admittedly in this case they are very lucky the worker had apparently not worked the second uber driver job.

If I was running the inquiry, I'd be questioning the disparity between the extensive PPE worn by the AUSMAT team and others in the lobby vs the minimal level of PPE issued to the security guards in the less ventilated confines of the corridors.

Sorry I'll rephrase, allowing the worker to have a second job. In terms of copping a barrage, didn't see Gladys cop one for the Northern Beaches

Icarus2001 2nd Feb 2021 08:39

Whether the worker had a second job...... mmmmm..... even if that was not the case, soon by regulation, then they can still go drinking, eating, socialising etc which entails contacting lots of people. Alternatively their second job may involve less contact with other people by its very nature, after hours console operator at a no service station for example.
The guy had a second job and was allowed to, not his fault.

Ragnor 2nd Feb 2021 09:19

Let’s see if McIdiot can publicly thank Gladys for the use our water bombers, she was kind to send one over today.

NumptyAussie 2nd Feb 2021 11:19


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10981527)
Letís see if McIdiot can publicly thank Gladys for the use our water bombers, she was kind to send one over today.

Possibly Gladys is returning the favour?

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...W-and-QLD.aspx

dr dre 2nd Feb 2021 11:33


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10981615)
Possibly Gladys is returning the favour?

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...W-and-QLD.aspx

Too true Numpty, despite the bovine excrement that has been dished out between states both in and out of this forum, when chips are down we help each other out. Even with the pandemic teams of nurses were sent from WA to assist Victoria at the height of their outbreak.

jrfsp 2nd Feb 2021 11:42


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10981527)
Letís see if McIdiot can publicly thank Gladys for the use our water bombers, she was kind to send one over today.

Just when i thought the thread couldnt get any lower....I thought all Australians knew that bushfires are off limits for making making political jokes / jibes.

Thankfully the fire authorities across the country (and internationally) have a long history of co-operation and helping each other. Also the air firefighting fleet is managed by the NAFC and receives funding support from the Australian Government as well as State and Territory Governments. (But yes the 737 is directly purchased by NSW and is available for loan by other states
https://nafc.org.au/

SOPS 3rd Feb 2021 08:58

Now there is a possible leak in a hotel in Victoria. These international arrivals are definitely the weak link. I donít have the answer.. but the hotel system is causing problems.


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