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blubak 31st Jan 2021 07:56


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 10980097)
Of course in-migration is a vote winner everywhere... not! Especially in a place like Australia! As I say, by October everyone in both countries should have protection. And then at that point, what is the problem?

Many people might have protection but unless community spread stops there is no chance of our international border being open without a guarantee that the people being allowed in either have a test with a negative result or go into quarantine at their own expense.
Nobody knows what it going to happen as 2021 progresses but 1 thing for sure is that the aus govt are not going to risk covid being brought here.
That is not saying we will not get cases(perth has 1 now) but as far as uncontrolled international borders go i think its very wise you having refundable hotel accomodation & from what i have been reading BA have suspended services to oz for many months.
Overseas residents may think the oz government are crazy imposing restrictions such as those in place now but i think you will find a majority of people here support what is in place & for those of us in victoria we are very aware of what a large outbreak does to our everyday freedom & on that point i have no issue with stating our govt run hotel quarantine caused it but it is us(the residents) who have buckled down to get where we are now & in all honesty overseas visitors are not high on our priority list.
We appreciate you wanting to come here & spend money however in 2021 that may not happen..

Keg 31st Jan 2021 08:04

I was in WA in December in that short period that NSW people were allowed to roam free. It was amazing seeing the lack of social distancing going on at pubs around the city. Lots of of tracking people via the WA government app they require everyone to have so you’d think their contact tracing would be spot on but scratch below the surface and it was complacency central.

WA has had 8 months to put in place it’s processes to deal with what was always inevitable. It appears they’ve done SFA given the shortage of masks in all supermarkets.

Some comparisons with NSW and the most recent outbreak. NSW ‘locked down’ the northern beaches for a bunch of days due to a couple of super spreader events. Meanwhile the rest of the city masked up, checked in our app everywhere we went including gyms, cafes, restaurants, etc, socially distanced, and got on with life. Six weeks later we’ve had zero Covid for 14 days. Even when locked down my understanding the northern beaches residents could still exercise for as long as they liked, weren’t required to wear masks whilst doing so, and were allowed to do so with others. WA has said one hour for exercise, (why? What does it matter if someone exercises outdoors for three hours), with one other person, and locked people down who are literally hundreds of km away from the outbreak.

What. A. Joke. Talk about getting the government you deserve!

NumptyAussie 31st Jan 2021 08:11


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10980100)
Re WA, as much as I too want to say [email protected]&k you mcgoose, It was always going to happen, my hope now is that the lockdown contains it, and we can all get back to work soon.

maybe now you wonít be such a smug prick.

best of luck to those in WA

I am not so sure that he was smug prick, possibly steadfast in his attempt to keep the virus from spreading in a state with a small population that is distributed over a massive area (and with its tertiary hospitals in the metropolitan area), but I concur with the prick sentiment.

Keg 31st Jan 2021 08:15

Now that WA has had community spread, I wonder if they’ll still insist on other jurisdictions such as NSW getting to 28 days before they open up to us?

Dannyboy39 31st Jan 2021 08:25


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10980106)
Many people might have protection but unless community spread stops there is no chance of our international border being open without a guarantee that the people being allowed in either have a test with a negative result or go into quarantine at their own expense.
Nobody knows what it going to happen as 2021 progresses but 1 thing for sure is that the aus govt are not going to risk covid being brought here.
That is not saying we will not get cases(perth has 1 now) but as far as uncontrolled international borders go i think its very wise you having refundable hotel accomodation & from what i have been reading BA have suspended services to oz for many months.
Overseas residents may think the oz government are crazy imposing restrictions such as those in place now but i think you will find a majority of people here support what is in place & for those of us in victoria we are very aware of what a large outbreak does to our everyday freedom & on that point i have no issue with stating our govt run hotel quarantine caused it but it is us(the residents) who have buckled down to get where we are now & in all honesty overseas visitors are not high on our priority list.
We appreciate you wanting to come here & spend money however in 2021 that may not happen..

I do wonder what the A380 drivers and all of the other long haulers are thinking at the moment... they're probably too busy doing their duty being Amazon delivery drivers by now.

I think the Australian response has been laudable, but whilst it is fashionable to bring up the drawbridge to Johnny Foreigner with any sign of Covid, surely it is completely unsustainable in the long term. How is locking down a whole city for ONE case a sustainable and measured response, with the armory of testing, contact tracing and vaccines. I say that as a member of UK Labour. That said, looking on the echo chamber that is Twitter, it seems to have been lapped up.

It is so endemic in the global population, there is widespread medical agreement that it'll become a seasonal illness akin to the flu, needing top up vaccination.

Look at NZ - strictest of strict quarantine rules, someone does 14 days in the stalag and STILL gets sick. You can't keep it out forever I hate to say.

currawong 31st Jan 2021 08:28

All of which takes us further away from getting back to or close to normal.


bolthead 31st Jan 2021 08:42

I'm no fan, but the deputy NSW premier was on the money when he said words to the effect of - McGowan better be careful because it might bite him on the bum! No daily testing for guards arranged for 20 days after national decision to do it. Well done.

dr dre 31st Jan 2021 08:54


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10980063)
However, how many further escapes from HQ will we have this year??? How much do these lockdowns costs? Where is Socmo?

This is what epidemiologists were saying in November last year, since then weíve had 2 more hotel outbreaks and nothing has been changed:

South Australian cluster shows we need to stop hotel quarantine in cities: epidemiologist


Infectious diseases expert and epidemiologist Mary-Louise McLaws told Virginia Trioli the Adelaide cluster shows why hotel quarantine programs should be shut down in favour of purpose built quarantine stations.
"Hotel quarantines were a great idea to get Australians and residents back home, but it should only have been an interim idea," Professor McLaws said.
"We do need to start thinking about a purpose built environment."

South Australiaís COVID outbreak - Adrian Esterman Professor of Biostatistics and Epidemiology, University of South Australia


In a situation like this, we should ask why we continue to operate high-risk quarantine hotels in the middle of a city. It would be much safer to quarantine people away from communities, like we did on Christmas Island earlier in the pandemic.
This will not be the last hotel outbreak before a critical level of vaccination is reached.

Ragnor 31st Jan 2021 09:18

I bet we don’t see huge lines of ppl getting tested in Perth tomorrow. Do they even know how to set up testing clinic and able to turn a test around in less than 24hrs. Mr Barilaro will be having a little chuckle to himself now.

itsnotthatbloodyhard 31st Jan 2021 09:34

I donít know whether McGowanís a smug prick or not, but someone over there certainly is. This really hasnít aged well, has it?

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WipperSnapper 31st Jan 2021 09:54


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10980155)
I bet we donít see huge lines of ppl getting tested in Perth tomorrow. Do they even know how to set up testing clinic and able to turn a test around in less than 24hrs. Mr Barilaro will be having a little chuckle to himself now.

Wow the hatred towards West Australians is ridiculous. It's 38 degrees here today and the hospital closest to us has a line of people outside in the sun around the corner and down the street. People are responding and getting tested, same as everywhere else when there's been an outbreak.

I agree there is a ridiculous amount of "she'll be right, it ain't here" by a large proportion of the community here. They are also the people who didn't buy masks when this thing hit, even as recent as when Brisbane locked down McGowan was still telling people to buy masks because we will need them if we get an outbreak. Why would shops stock them here if people aren't buying them? They aren't government run.

As recent as yesterday's press conference he was saying hotel quarantine should be a Federal run program at remote locations but Scomo doesn't want that so we have to deal with the situation as best we can. He comes across smug and a lot of people that I interact with have been saying it's only a matter of time until we get a case and he will get slaughtered by the east coast media for the way he is carrying on.

What's our alternative though? He was elected well before this mess, the opposition government has stood behind him on border closures since about May last year and their party is an absolute shambles?

compressor stall 31st Jan 2021 10:20

WS - I guess you haven't repeatedly been abused by the WA public as you walk along the street in your mask to your crew transport or the COVID test?

To be fair it did happen in QLD a bit, but that was always at nighttime and they were pissed on XXXX at the bar over the road from the hotel. Not at lunchtime, nor repeatedly.

KRviator 31st Jan 2021 10:20


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10980155)
I bet we donít see huge lines of ppl getting tested in Perth tomorrow. Do they even know how to set up testing clinic and able to turn a test around in less than 24hrs. Mr Barilaro will be having a little chuckle to himself now.

Oh, they have testing clinics - that appear to only be able to handle 500 (no, there's not a missing '0') on a normal day. Here's yet another of McGoose's examples of excellence...


Frustration as WA's COVID clinics struggle
Premier Mark McGowan says almost 2000 people presented at clinics on Thursday, about four times the usual daily number. source
Yesiree! Here's the gold standard folks! 2,000 tests a day and you have to turn people away in WA. What did NSW get around the same time? Nearly 70,000 tests done in a single day?!?

And here's another one - from only a few minutes ago!

By about 4.30pm, the clinic on Beaufort Street had run out of COVID-19 testing swabs as people flooded in after Premier Mark McGowan announced there was community spread from a nearby Maylands resident.source
Nothing quite like a testing centre with no test kits, is there?

WingNut60 31st Jan 2021 10:30


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10980054)
I think we can see what he meant.

If you're going to quote someone, and indeed quote them in bolded script, then you need to be able to substantiate your quote.

Otherwise you're simply telling lies to emphasise your contention.

WingNut60 31st Jan 2021 10:32


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10980081)
WA are so unprepared for this its hilarious.

What makes you think that??

Ragnor 31st Jan 2021 10:38

The above link for starters.

WingNut60 31st Jan 2021 10:41


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10980174)
Yesiree! Here's the gold standard folks! 2,000 tests a day and you have to turn people away in WA. What did NSW get around the same time? Nearly 70,000 tests done in a single day?!?

Because on Thursday, there was no known Covid in the wild in WA and had not been for 38 weeks.
Why even 2000 people presented for testing is beyond me.

Different this afternoon - within hours of the announcements being made.

Ladloy 31st Jan 2021 10:46


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10980192)
Because on Thursday, there was no known Covid in the wild in WA and had not been for 38 weeks.
Why even 2000 people presented for testing is beyond me.

Different this afternoon - within hours of the announcements being made.

​​​​​​This is the right response. They have kept the virus out of the community for so long that their dream run doesn't require widespread testing like its counterparts. McGowan has also made the recommendation to close the borders to WA, in line with his own rules.

aussieflyboy 31st Jan 2021 11:48


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10980192)
Why even 2000 people presented for testing is beyond me.

If youíve been in QLD, NSW and VIC your required to get tested on day 11 after your return - this is what most of those tests are - not sick people

SOPS 31st Jan 2021 11:58

It amazes me to see the joy people are
heaving at seeing an outbreak in WA. I thought you all wanted the borders to open, so that things can go back to ďnormalĒ,and you can go flying again.

We get an event in WA, that has the potential to shut borders hard again, and you could not be happier. Itís very strange.

( remember, the individual in question, could have spread it to someone that has already flown to the Eastern States and it is currently spreading in the east.. I hope thatís not the case.)


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