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SOPS 28th Jun 2021 11:53

Mark McGowan about to give a press conference. Standby for possible lock down. ( thatís just my guess.) Hope Iím wrong.
Well I was wrong

jrfsp 28th Jun 2021 12:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11069736)
Mark McGowan about to give a press conference. Standby for possible lock down. ( thatís just my guess.) Hope Iím wrong.
Well I was wrong

He's been very trigger happy in the past but i think going hard and fast is the right thing to do in this case.

SOPS 28th Jun 2021 12:49


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11069761)
He's been very trigger happy in the past but i think going hard and fast is the right thing to do in this case.

.

So do I. We donít need another NSW. I just want my second AZ.

jrfsp 28th Jun 2021 12:57

We've now got 30% of the population under lockdown...how much worse can this get.

morno 28th Jun 2021 13:00


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11069772)
We've now got 30% of the population under lockdown...how much worse can this get.

31%? 32%? Itís fecking ridiculous I know that

ruprecht 28th Jun 2021 13:02

Just remember, it’s not a race... :ugh:

SOPS 28th Jun 2021 13:03


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11069773)
31%? 32%? Itís fecking ridiculous I know that

Whatís your plan?

dr dre 28th Jun 2021 13:24

Front of the queue...:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0c87a4760.jpeg

Chronic Snoozer 28th Jun 2021 13:28


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11069788)

FFS is there nothing NZ isn't better at than Australia? I even enjoy Wellington Paranormal.

morno 28th Jun 2021 21:49


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11069775)
Whatís your plan?

For what? Opening up the country?

Offer the vaccine to everyone, give a hard date to be vaccinated, then open up and stop giving a shit about 2 cases. Those who choose not to be vaccinated will just have to accept they run the risk of getting sick.

Australopithecus 28th Jun 2021 21:56

I agree, Morno. The zero cases strategy was laudable while we were waiting for a vaccine, but time is running out on that. They should set an aggressive goal, adopt a hard date, make vaccinations mandatory. Then open it up. And find some creative economic penalty for closed borders.

John Eacott 28th Jun 2021 22:11


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11069789)
FFS is there nothing NZ isn't better at than Australia? I even enjoy Wellington Paranormal.

There's a significant difference in vaccinations given and being fully vaccinated: being at the end of the supply chain and initially limited to mainly AZ jabs with a 12 week gap between the two, we stood little chance of matching countries who (understandably) kept the production for themselves. I'm among a significant number who will be getting their 12 week booster this weekend, and I suspect that the fully vaccinated figures will then boost noticeably.

Apathy and outright agitation against vaccination doesn't help: I can't help but remember everyone (yes, everyone) getting vaccinated against polio, the scourge which has virtually disappeared.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....094b1ff817.jpg

https://www.health.gov.au/initiative...accine-rollout

DirectAnywhere 28th Jun 2021 22:13


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11069775)
What’s your plan?

Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.

Global Aviator 28th Jun 2021 22:36

And just like that AZ is now ‘safe’ and available to all, well with further government indemnities.

If this week doesn’t give the vaccinations Australia wide a kick in the arse then nothing will.

Vaccination is the only way.

VH-ABC 28th Jun 2021 22:38

I note the second jab of Astra is now recommended between 4 and 12 weeks after the first one. This seems a big change that hasn’t been well advertised.

mattyj 28th Jun 2021 22:47


Apathy and outright agitation against vaccination doesn't help: I can't help but remember everyone (yes, everyone) getting vaccinated against polio, the scourge which has virtually disappeared.
I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness

SOPS 28th Jun 2021 22:51


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11070007)
Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.

I love that plan!!!!

Foxxster 28th Jun 2021 23:16


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11070021)
I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness

they also recommended smoking.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/blo...rsing-tobacco/


Gnadenburg 28th Jun 2021 23:18

Having been through the quarantine system, Direct Anywhere's plan looks panicked and overdone.

I don't disagree with purpose built quarantine facilities where appropriate. However, one size fits all is not only unnecessary, it still mixes high-risk returning Australians with those who are frankly no-risk. This approach is one of the many holes in the fumbly and overdone bureaucratic health quarantine process. It lacks common sense.

Why don't you break the issue of returning travellers down as you would as a pilot? Risk management and TEM principles. A single approach to every country ( except NZ ) will see this crisis having no way out. We have learn't nothing.

How many nurses who test returned travellers in their hotel rooms have caught COVID? They are vaccinated and wear hazmat equipment.

Has COVID leaked in quarantine facilities where you have openable windows and access to balconies?

Once again, Israel will give a good idea where we will be in six months plus with Delta. At a glance I think we will be burdened by the unvaccinated.


dr dre 28th Jun 2021 23:23


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11070021)
I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness

I remember a time when aeroplanes were rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which were prone to crashing very often. As the design, testing, manufacture and certification of aircraft has never changed since then thatís why aeroplanes in 2021 are still only rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which are very unsafe to board....... /s


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