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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10880473)
IHow about no one. It’s a very contagious virus, it spreads quickly and eventually someone coming into contact with a lot of carriers (like a Hotel night manager in Melbourne which was taking a high proportion of international returnees) was going to inadvertently contract it through no fault of their own. Eventually, one way or another, it was going to break out.
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If I recall correctly , Dr Dre, the claim that it was the night manager who was first infected was spruiked by Andrew Probyn on the 7.30 Report and faithfully parroted the next day in The Age. This claim was then “corrected” by the CMO who advised that the information could not in fact be verified at all! The Age then ran a very small piece a few days later admitting that it was not verifiable. The litany of screwups by this State Government has been writ large in the daily goings on in the Inquiry.. take some time to explore the submissions so far. How anyone can honestly defend the quarantine handling beggars belief.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10880484)
‘’Incompetence: putting a millennial, probably with an arts degree, in charge of developing and executing the security guard program and using the criteria of “diversity” and “inclusion “ in the hiring, furthermore, the contractors were allowed to sub contract the work to body shops who then hired your proverbial low paid barely literate immigrants as security guards - and then she commissioned a celebratory video???. As for a night manager being the source of the entire outbreak that’s not proven. Doesn’t anybody in government understand that quarantine is unpleasant and that coercion might be needed as well as infection control? Didn’t they understand that police or prison experience was needed in designing the program? This cannot be argued!! ’My advice is that there was a connection between an underpaid guy and a ‘cousin” who. happened to belong to “the family from hell” a lebanese crime family who spread it far and wide in northern melbourne suburbs. It then made its way through a certain community who do not give a rats for man made law, causing an outbreak of 100+ cases here: “I’m telling the truth, I’m telling it as it is, I expose the truth even if it’s politcially incorrect” nah mate you’re just plain incorrect. Complex issues require complex investigations and answers by people who have plenty of experience, knowledge and temperament. Have a think when you see a professor, an epidemiologist, and public health specialist (like the ones I linked to in my response) etc why they don’t rant angrily non stop about the talking points you’re bringing up that seem more suited to a Pauline Hanson rant on Facebook than (what I assume are) a group of professionals trying to deal with how best to manage a critical health crisis so our industry is bought back to normality. Even if they see factors that do involve migrant communities they try to investigate the real causes (poor housing and lack of employee rights for migrants) rather than emotional assumptions (ethnic migrants are naturally law breaking scum who hate our country). |
poor housing and lack of employee rights for migrants |
Were their not, 500-600 doctors including some well know epidemiologists advising the government, their are better ways going about this.
No gathering reviewing other people's recommendations. Instead lets go straight to the supercomputer, and whatever it says we will do. This so called supercomputer is the answer to all problems. No brain power required. How come the other states are not advertising about these supercomputers? I take it Apple have these in their stores though I can't get to one. Can't argue the science and data. I suppose we are not allowed too. Love to know what junk they fed the supercomputer. Anyway one result it came up with was the new police badge. It did say serve & protect they will have to include, fear & intimidate. Governments are supposed to hide their corruption though this is now brazenly obvious. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10880518)
Were their not, 500-600 doctors including some well know epidemiologists advising the government, their are better ways going about this.
Here’s another article from PhD qualified researchers in population health and epidemiology from Uni of Melbourne explaining their support for the lockdown: ‘Slow and steady’ exit from lockdown as Victorian government sets sights on ‘COVID-normal’ Christmas |
For a bit of levity lest we all get too serious:
Dan Andrews slammed for listening to medical experts instead of former AFL players |
I posted earlier a link to the Victorian Births Deaths and Marriages website, where they publish monthly totals for the total number of deaths in the State for the previous 12 months. Interestingly, they’ve just updated it to include the total number of deaths in August of this year. Usually they include the previous 12 months so you can compare it to the same time period of the previous year, but conveniently now they’ve included August 2020 figures, but removed the August 2019 figures. Interesting because there was 200 more deaths in Victoria in August 2019 than there was in August 2020, in the midst of pandemic.
This is a screen grab I took a few days ago prior to the update showing the figures up to July 2020, and you’ll notice the July 2019 figures (and August 2019 too - 3892). https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....78cde27cc1.png And here is a link to the updated August 2020 figures, with the August 2019 figures very conspicuous in their absence, which you can see in the screenshot above. Deaths registered per month |
Here’s another article from PhD qualified researchers in population health and epidemiology from Uni of Melbourne explaining their support for the lockdown:
‘Slow and steady’ exit from lockdown as Victorian government sets sights on ‘COVID-normal’ Christmas Well those PhD researchers would have to say that; wouldn't they. Melbourne Uni were the ones doing the modelling and recommendations, but I guess that's irrelevant! |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10880535)
Where is that? I can only find one letter by 13 doctors, not 5-600, and only one specialising in public health, and none in infectious diseases. No doubt there are plenty of other medical professionals supporting the increase in lockdown, the Australian Medical Association for instance.
Here’s another article from PhD qualified researchers in population health and epidemiology from Uni of Melbourne explaining their support for the lockdown: ‘Slow and steady’ exit from lockdown as Victorian government sets sights on ‘COVID-normal’ Christmas It was a letter written to the premier about 2 weeks ago and I think it's been pulled by the media that's why you can't find it. However found this https://caldronpool.com/federal-mp-c...r-dan-andrews/ |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10880569)
It was a letter written to the premier about 2 weeks ago and I think it's been pulled by the media that's why you can't find it.
However found this https://caldronpool.com/federal-mp-c...r-dan-andrews/ So again, who are these 500-600 doctors? |
Several hundred doctors did write a letter calling on the Indian Government to reveal their post lockdown plan. The most I have seen band together in Australia is the 13 doctors in this article. Sure you haven't got the two mixed up?
Nevermind. Found it. IT's on Sky News reproduced below: Victorian surgeon Dr Geoffrey Wells says a growing number of doctors in the state believe the lock-down is “causing more harm than good”. Mr Wells is one of over 500 doctors in Victoria who have signed a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews concerning the controversial State of Emergency bill which he recently pushed through parliament with crossbench support. He said the doctors were yet to receive a reply from the Andrews government. “What we’re seeing is that the number of referrals from general practitioners to specialists has markedly decreased, it’s probably down about 70 per cent”. Mr Wells also highlighted a study recently published in the Lanced which concluded there could be an increased death rate of about 4,000 people in the United Kingdom because of the delay in specialist medical support. Because patients are coming to see specialists at a later date, the disease is more likely to have progressed making it in turn more difficult to treat. Mr Wells said he supported a “two-pronged approach” which protected the elderly while acknowledging those in the general community were at far less risk of suffering a fatal outcome from contracting the virus. “If you’re under 65 years of age, then the chance of dying from the virus is markedly decreased, it’s about one in 150,000”. |
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10878651)
My Tip, NSW will fall and the borders won't be open for Christmas.
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Dr Dre, and his/her ilk, unfortunately, are a big part of the problem in Melbourne.
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I really hope not, if it were a bush fire it's the same as running around trying to contain spot fires without actually putting any of them out. Fire fighters would know it's only a matter of time before they join up and that's when it gets away from you. Then it becomes a firestorm and that's a serious fire. In my view a pandemic behaves the same way. What are the odds of success.
To be closing down, sending everyone home, deep cleaning, opening up again is just as destructive to the economy and you still have an escalating health issue. Personally I don't think it's going to end well, but that seems to be the favoured method in NSW, lets see how it goes. |
Originally Posted by flamingmoe
(Post 10880650)
Dr Dre, and his/her ilk, unfortunately, are a big part of the problem in Melbourne.
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Originally Posted by flamingmoe
(Post 10880650)
Dr Dre, and his/her ilk, unfortunately, are a big part of the problem in Melbourne.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10880595)
Nevermind. Found it. IT's on Sky News reproduced below: Looking online I can only find a published copy of letter with no more than 13 names, a urologist being the lead spokesman, I haven’t seen any letter that a number approaching 500 doctors have put their names to. Doesn’t exist as far as I can see. If any can see it (with 500 names please) feel free to post it, until then I’ll remain skeptical. Victorian Chief Health Officer’s qualifications and experience, lots of Communicable disease, infection control and epidemiology experience in there. |
I look forward the the government approaching tobacco related deaths with the same zeal as COVID19.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10880677)
Victorian Chief Health Officer’s qualifications and experience, lots of Communicable disease, infection control and epidemiology experience in there.
Professor Sutton has a keen interest in the incorporation of palliative care practice into humanitarian responses. His response is about protecting those who tend not to contribute to the sustainability of the state, and penalising those that do. The question that must be asked is for how long is that going to be sustainable? |
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