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SOPS 3rd Feb 2021 11:49

Well.. here we go again. And listening to the places the person has been, was he/ she driving an Uber?

jrfsp 3rd Feb 2021 12:00


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10982454)
Well.. here we go again. And listening to the places the person has been, was he/ she driving an Uber?

Indeed...this is becoming madness. We need to stop all incoming arrivals ASAP until we have a purpose built system.

TimmyTee 3rd Feb 2021 12:02

How many transmission cases have occurred at the Howard Springs facility? Maybe there's something to it..

Fonz121 3rd Feb 2021 12:20

This just in: Person who works daily with potential Covid cases gets Covid.

Who cares? Deal with it NSW style and get on with it.


dr dre 3rd Feb 2021 13:04


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 10982478)

Who cares? Deal with it NSW style and get on with it.

Which still involved restrictions, lockdowns, isolation and testing requirements which affects confidence for travel.

Hate to sound like a broken record but the person wouldn’t be travelling all over the city after work if they weren’t in a city......

McLimit 3rd Feb 2021 13:46


Which still involved restrictions, lockdowns, isolation and testing requirements which affects confidence for travel.
- Targeted, rational, pragmatic lockdowns.
- Rational, proportional, pragmatic restrictions.
- Contact traced isolation, risk based isolation.
- Outstanding community response to testing requested from leaders, not hysterical premiers.
- Confidence dented by hysterical, politically motivated, non-leaders.

Dannyboy39 3rd Feb 2021 14:39


Originally Posted by McLimit (Post 10982563)
- Targeted, rational, pragmatic lockdowns.
- Rational, proportional, pragmatic restrictions.
- Contact traced isolation, risk based isolation.
- Outstanding community response to testing requested from leaders, not hysterical premiers.
- Confidence dented by hysterical, politically motivated, non-leaders.

100%. You can’t shut the world down for one case.
1000 people in the Australian Open bubble in isolation due to one worker case. They clearly wouldn’t have all come into contact within them... probably not even 1%.

McLimit 3rd Feb 2021 15:45


100%. You can’t shut the world down for one case.
Oh yes you can brutha. Hysterical, non-proportionate rot.

Australopithecus 3rd Feb 2021 20:36

All of those targeted, rational, proportionate measures are great until other states shut their borders. Which leaves us in the same quagmire of endless shutdowns and vanishing travel demand.

Absolutely all of the human and economic disaster of the past year is a direct result of wishful, magical thinking on the part of our governments. Time to restrict international quarantine to dedicated facilities.

Sunfish 3rd Feb 2021 22:48

Dannyboy:

100%. You can’t shut the world down for one case.
1000 people in the Australian Open bubble in isolation due to one worker case. They clearly wouldn’t have all come into contact within them... probably not even 1%.
Maths wasn't your strong subject at school was it?

You can shut down now for one discovered case for perhaps 14 days, or,

You can ignore that one case for the next two weeks and then shut the whole State down for three to six months while we try to deal with the hundreds of cases that one case has spawned.


Your choice.

KRviator 3rd Feb 2021 23:03


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10982842)
Absolutely all of the human and economic disaster of the past year is a direct result of wishful, magical thinking on the part of most of our governments.

Fixed it. It got out in Victoria in a big way. It's got out in NSW, Qld and WA as well. The only rational response out of all of the HQ outbreaks was from Gladys with the targeted lockdown of the Insular Peninsula while keeping the rest of the city (and borders) open. Granted she took about 9 months too long to mandate masks on transport and the like, but that is a preventative measure to guard against an outbreak, not a response to one.

There comes a point where someone has to call time on goings-on.

Doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting a different result is madness. Note that, so far as I'm aware, neither NSW Health, Qld Health or the mob in WA can positively tell you how it got out of HQ! And it looks like it might be the same in Mexico as well.

If they don't know how it spread in "quarantine" then how can they stop it in the future? And that being the case, if they are not assured they can prevent it in the future, any ongoing HQ is a pointless exercise so long as you have trigger-happy politicians playing God with their borders and the Australian people - because when it does get out again, as it most certainly will, there goes the border, there goes travel, weddings, funerals and jobs.

The simple, though politically incorrect & unpalatable answer, to me seems to be an immediate halt on all international passenger arrivals. Yes, we will still need HQ for the aircrew on freighters, but that is a tiny percentage of that required now, and their time here in quarantine is maybe 10% of that of passengers, with consequent lower interaction with the hotel staff & guards, etc.

dr dre 3rd Feb 2021 23:21

A factor which prompted a different health response between states was the NSW Northern Beaches outbreak was not of the new more transmissible mutation, whereas the WA and Qld ones were.

With the new mutation obviously defeating previous quarantine protocols new measures will have to be looked at.

Deaf 3rd Feb 2021 23:26

Interesting timing in Vic- seems to have taken debate on extension of state of emergency off the table

chookcooker 3rd Feb 2021 23:29

If only there was a vaccine for this virus.....

Ragnor 4th Feb 2021 01:07

We have all worked our butts off to we pretty much had eradicate the virus, but the leak in the international arrivals causing the WA cases. DA of Vic however has purposely trucked in 1500 internationals for the tennis causing the latest. When does it stop

Australopithecus 4th Feb 2021 01:19


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 10982940)
If only there was a vaccine for this virus.....

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...available now, in sufficient quantity, and with enough time to have an effect. Even with all of that though, international arrivals will still leak virus out of quarantine facilities and the unvaccinated will still be at risk. The only way forward is a wider air gap between the arrivals and the public.

chookcooker 4th Feb 2021 01:30

I must be imagining that europe and the USA are vaccinating at immense rates currently. They must be magicking up all their stock.
US alone has administered over 30,000,000 shots to our..... 0
but yes, it’ was absolutely impossible to hasten the process.
We announced we wouldn’t approve the vaccines until feb and the drug makers allocated stock accordingly.

Global Aviator 4th Feb 2021 01:48


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 10982467)
How many transmission cases have occurred at the Howard Springs facility? Maybe there's something to it..

Well said! Plenty of cases IN Howard Springs but none that I’ve heard jumping to the workers. HS is always going to get cases due to the nature of where the flights are coming from.

Alas it seems to work.

Ramp up HS to maximum capacity!!!

Icarus2001 4th Feb 2021 02:21


With the new mutation obviously defeating previous quarantine protocols new measures will have to be looked at.
Again...here we are five days after his positive test (Saturday night) and still no more cases. Try a rough cost benefit analysis on closing all businesses, closing schools, stopping FIFO shift changes and preventing people leaving Perth to holiday around the state. Imagine a rough number. Now weigh that against one security guard who at most had contact with 189 people. 138 of which have tested negative so far. Mind boggling over reaction. Is that an election I see over there...

neville_nobody 4th Feb 2021 02:42


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10982995)
Again...here we are five days after his positive test (Saturday night) and still no more cases. Try a rough cost benefit analysis on closing all businesses, closing schools, stopping FIFO shift changes and preventing people leaving Perth to holiday around the state. Imagine a rough number. Now weigh that against one security guard who at most had contact with 189 people. 138 of which have tested negative so far. Mind boggling over reaction. Is that an election I see over there...


But you can't put a price on everyones safety.............

Interestingly they locked up his housemates in quarantine (not in their own home) yet they hadn't tested positive but McGowan was absolutely sure that they will test positive in the near future. Here we are five days later and still nothing anywhere, let alone his close contacts.


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