Simple, if you’re in a car crash, they wheel the most recent COVID sick anti-Vaxer into the car park and you take their bed.

People who were able to get vaccinated but refused should get nothing but palliative care.

How many small businesses need to fail because some idiots refuse to get vaccinated? I’m through playing with these morons: their choice, their consequences.

Well there is a reason, we might not be able to do it, That is over simplifying the miracle of modern science, just a tad.

Careful Icarus!

I will go back to your question just to show you that I answered it correctly and accurately. Your question was


This year. Not the past twelve months, this year. And the numbers that I provided were for year to date, this year.

Given that we're a bit past halfway through the current year, little wonder that the figure I gave you is roughly half the rolling 12 month total.

There is a tipping point when Australians will want to get vaccinated . Countries that where hit hard and people experienced family and friends struggle on ventilators have %80+ vaccination rates . Poor countries having seen family die in hospital hallways will accept any type of vaccination . Australia being the lucky country we don’t have these motivators to assist our vaccination uptake . Australians love houses so maybe raffle a house with views of Sydney harbour , to enter you must be vaccinated . Vaccine passports , without it , no restaurants, no travel , no beaches and no footy .

40,000 x $5,000,000 = $200,000,000,000. That number, 200 with nine zeroes after it, would be called $200 billion regardless of whether you were in the US or Australia. OECD, World Bank, IMF, EU, US Treasury, HM Treasury, etc all use the convention that 1 billion is 1000 million or a 1 with nine zeroes after it.

Mick, nice wriggle, financial year, calendar year or this last year. So are we locking down cars?

Wriggle? How about just basic written comprehension. The wonderful thing about the English language is its capacity for precision and concision. You asked a question about this year, I answered it - drawing directly from the data that is downloadable from the BITRE website you posted a link to (it's Table 1.2 field 018 for reference) - and then you launched on me to show that I was wrong. I wasn't.

It would appear that having the humility to say, 'Oops, my mistake', is a rare commodity around here.

Well, I make a habit of locking mine. You do you.

Rightyho then...

On your figures, we're paying $490 billion in 'real' costs (I reckon at $40 billion you're still underestimating the value of the non-financial costs) in order to save $200 billion (the value of 40,000 'statistical' lives, with the 40,000 being an over-estimate). I reckon it's closer to $600 billion 'spent' to save $100 billion in lives. And that $490 or $600 billion or whatever it happens to be now, is increasing by 100s of millions every DAY half the country's population is locked down.

Sooner or later...

("concision"? And you often don't 'get' sarcasm. Hmmm. Methinks you're not from 'around here'.)

Hell yeah. I can hardly wait to move to Sydney.

Not comparing apples with apples but ... as has been mentioned many times before, perhaps the reason for lockdowns is to ‘save’ the health system (and lives in general) not just from Covid.

Japans hospital system is allegedly close to ‘collapse’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...pics/100323570

I see you're from Indonesia. Are you there now, how are you getting along, the stats are not looking pleasant over there. My thoughts are with Indonesia.

Reported in the Australian, seems to be no explanation as to why given NSW has gone no where near as hard as DA lockdown methods. Also reported the C-19 vaccine (which one is not reported) is definitely working and doing as expected. Out of 2500 cases only 6 in aged care reported out of those 6 there is 5 vaccinated and have not reported any serious illness to the virus.


STEPHEN LUNN2 HOURS AGO | 7.50AMSydney spread slower than Melbourne, despite Delta

Sydney’s growth of new Covid-19 infections is running at a little more than half of that experienced by Melbourne last year at the same stage of its outbreak despite the fact NSW is grappling with a more infectious strain.

Victoria’s seven-day average of new Covid-19 cases stood at 10.1 on June 17 last year. By July 19 last year the seven day average of new Covid-19 infections had ballooned to 287.1.

Over the same 33-day period Sydney’s seven-day average of new cases has risen from 12.6 on June 26, when a lockdown was imposed on four Sydney local government areas, to 151.7 on Wednesday when Gladys Berejiklian extended Greater Sydney’s lockdown for 28 days.

Over the same comparable period 19 people had died in Victoria compared with 11 in Sydney.

The rate of growth in the two outbreaks was broadly similar for the first three weeks. Victoria’s seven-day moving average passed 100 on day 21 (102.3 on July 7, last year). While Sydney’s seven-day average of new cases jumped into the nineties on day 22 (96 on July 17) and stayed in the nineties until day 27, July 22.

Once Melbourne’s seven-day average had passed 100 it doubled over the next six days.

Sydney’s seven-day moving average has gone up by about 50 per cent in the six days since it passed a seven-day average of new cases of 100 – from 105 on July 22 to 151 on Wednesday

$450 billion, $600 billion - call it $525 as an estimate with ±15 percent error bars. Is the spend more than the value of statistical life figure? Yes, most assuredly. Is it 'orders of magnitude higher'? No, most assuredly not.

Looking ahead, the data out of the UK (still somewhat early days) and Israel seems to be illustrating that 55-60 percent of the population fully vaccinated gets you out of the woods, relatively. We should hit that around early November.

except Gladys has very very foolishly stated 80% which we won’t get to until this time next year if then. There will be a plateauing once we get to around 65%.

so she needs to stfu about 80% seeing as no major country is near that now and many are opening up already like the uk at around 60%. I think scomo when he mentions Christmas is on the money. Like you said we should be around 65% by then , 55% or 60 sometime in November

As of this morning the UK has 88.1% of all adults with their first vaccination and 71.1% have had both - but they opened up with (I think) 80 & 66%-ish. Source

I would be very surprised to see Australia, not just NSW, get close to 80% in any reasonable timeframe, both due to vaccine hesitancy and Scotty's mishandling of the rollout.

On the basis that Joe and Joanne Six-pack aren't already befuddled enough, when it comes to vaccination rates and targets there are, of course, at least two different measures - vaccinations per total population and vaccinations per adult population. 80 percent of the adult population is roughly 60 percent of the total population. I suspect that Gladys was talking about 80 percent of the adult population, which should be doable before year end.

As Sco Mo keeps saying on numerous occasion even as late as this morning “high vaccination rates won’t stop lockdowns” so it does not matter whether 70% 80% or 90% is reached lockdowns will o our moving forward.

Also strong word over 200 will be announced for NSW today, lucky construction workers are allowed back on site from Saturday they have been hit extremely hard not being able to work for 14 days.

Out of today's Oz, vaccine hesitancy data out of the Melbourne Institute ...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e8bf35ae4.jpg

No. I'm back in Perth.
Still have friends and family in Indonesia.

Outer areas (lower population) are still half liveable. Larger cities, particularly on Java and Bali, are in a terrible position.
I have a niece who is a doctor at a large hospital in Bali. Her accounts are frightening; while at the same time doing her best to conceal her own fear.

She has mentioned a broad feeling that the Sinovac vaccine is proving to be of little use.
Personally, from a long residency in the country, I would suspect that the biggest problem with the vaccine would be knowing whether you had actually been vaccinated at all.

Of course, as with other less-developed countries, the biggest problem with measures to limit social inter-action and movements is that, without the ability to earn money for sustenance, people will die of starvation, not Covid.

239 new cases in NSW. Gladys really has to stop people moving around.And I mean stop them.

239 with only 81 not active in the community during their infectious period....

Onya Gladys. Gold Standard!

Sadly it’s a bit like watching the Titanic start to take on water.

A vaccine equals a life jacket right now. Grab one while you can!

I wonder how many of those emanated from last weekends rally?
The timing is about right.

Whilst it’s still a drop on the ocean compared to some other countries surging at the moment, it’s seems to be well seeded now that they will soon join those others in the 1000s.

Singapore was heading in the same direction as Sydney however they have now turned the corner and started the downward trend for the past week.

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That’s a good point.

True, though it'll be interesting to observe how many at the protest didn't get it, if any. ISTR the same was said about the Melbourne protest, yet very few, if any, cases were eventually traced back to it.

I'm wondering how many of these "out 'n' about while infectious" cases speak a language other than English at home....And in turn, whether they think the rules don't apply to them.

it has only been 5 days, wouldn't 10-14 be more likely a time frame to link Saturdays madness to cases?

Exposure to positive PCR result for delta is 3-5 days, with the peak at nearly 4 days. Much faster than the earlier variants.

Is there no irony in attending a rally to protest whatever the hell they were protesting about and to then go and get tested?

I was about to debunk that by pointing out Melbourne’s Western suburbs faced the same language challenges during last years great Victorian ‘lockathon’ but then I seem to recall 40 of them gathered for a family dinner.

I have been wondering the same thing. I bet there are quite a few who think the rules don’t apply to them…. They only listen to a higher authority.

I very much doubt anyone who attended on Saturday would of been tested.

Ah ha. Well I guess it does depend on what measure is used. It makes sense to only use the adult population as these vaccines haven’t yet been approved for children, although I think Pfizer had been approved for 12 up now here and also just approved in the uk for 12+. Not sure about other countries. But then again children are obviously part of the population so we really need both measures but be clear as to what is being used. I hope Gladys was talking about the adult population.


Lockdowns are set to be become "a thing of the past" with Australia on track to have a high percentage of the population vaccinated by Christmas, Scott Morrison has said.

The Prime Minister said with the nation now administering more than one million COVID-19 vaccine doses a week, he believes by the end of the year "everyone who has had the opportunity for a vaccine will have had it".

"I would expect by Christmas that we would be seeing a very different Australia to what we are seeing now," Mr Morrison said on Wednesday.

"What we are seeing overseas is once countries reach that much higher vaccination rate, that gives their governments a lot more options in the suppression limitations they have to use to deal with the virus.

"Lockdowns become a thing of the past when you are at that level.

If they were getting crook enough, they may not have had a choice.

Like the mother of the 2 removalists many will avoid doing anything . Too scared to get taken away from their family and communities . Especially minorities with language barriers . Goverments all around the world are dealing with this issue .

I've not used the phrase "orders of magnitude higher". And so what if the spend is not of that magnitude?

You're supposed to be a numbers and facts person. The fact is that, on your numbers, the ever-increasing costs of the response are already greater than the statistical costs of the estimated lives saved. Leave the value judgment as to what to do or not to do about that to others.

I saw a good article the other day were an epidemiologist likened the Vaccine hesitancy, snobbery against AZ as,

”It’s like a Captain has announced the plane is going to crash into the water, and some of the passengers are arguing over what brand of life jacket they will fit”

I thought it was a good analogy anyway…..

And what were we saying about protesters and Covid Tests……..???????


https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...2c65e28e223cf0