I believe the remaining states won't be that far behind NSW including WA. I don't think a NSW Open International Border, at least for returning Australians will be all that meaningful until the remaining states open up. I still think it will be early next year before we see any real effect.

WA can stay closed I personally don’t care what happens there. QLD won’t be able to justify staying closed past their 80% target and will open. if you have seen Queen P speak lately she is slowly admitting it. Eastern states will move on, leaving WA behind and McGoose will jump up and down trying to get more air time. When he decides to open next yr it will go un noticed as we have already been enjoying what we were enjoying in 2019.

I don’t think this new NSW policy will cause other states to open up. I think it will have the reverse effect. It gives the other states the perfect exude not to open any borders, as there is no longer an control of the virus in NSW. I really think this is the perfect excuse they need to shut the rest of the country down, not open it up.

I don't think any state intends to remain closed beyond 80% double dose, albeit not completely restriction free.

I admire your optimism with regard to what you think you'll be enjoying once the NSW International Border is open. I don't think anything major will occur quickly.

It’s better than the pessimistic forecast yourself and others have! Like Sco said, Mo if not at 80% then when?! Can’t stay closed forever. All your lord daddy had to do was improve the health system, instead, all he wanted to do was throw Barbs and carry on same as the North witch. DP wants to rejoin the world and he has my vote for that.

I don't see it as pessimistic, certainly not intended that way, I'm a realist and say it like it is. Most people I know and speak to aren't interested in overseas travel any time soon. Most want back into cruising ships, can hardly wait, but then they say they there not biting at the bit to be the first. It's about how does all that translate into a practical sense.

the enjoyment will be the opportunity for overseas family to travel here, in my case to see family I haven’t seen for 4 years, who’ve missed the birth of both my children, and who have never met their grandkids. Something that the thousands of expats in WA, under the dictator McGowan, are unable to do. It’s not like it is a ‘return to normal’ but it’s certainly a big step in the right direction. Someone had to take the lead, NSW will be criticised by the other hypocritical premiers for not sticking to the national plan, who themselves have chucked the plan in the bin anyway. just look at the headless chickens in qld running around bumping in to each other. Bigger fools you won’t find.

Victoria has announced that from midnight 19 October, fully vaccinated travellers from an orange zone will not need to quarantine. Fully vaccinated from red zone need negative test 72 hours prior to travel and another on arrival. No quarantine after negative test after arrival. This follows from Victorian health order that all airport workers (and I believe including overnighting crew) required to be vaccinated.

I agree with you on visiting family, certainly domestically. I'm optimistic that all the states will be open for that by Christmas. the rollout is on track, but of course it can't be said officially that the borders will be open, in case something goes pear shaped. The down side is that there won't be a lot of notice when that happens.

NSW will be open, open to international that’s all that matters to me. They won’t be opening and closing international like other states do domestically.

That's actually the Federal Governments call and what the remaining states do will largely impact upon that.

yes and no they can say no quarantine, but ultimately its up to the feds. Not like they have any real choice about the decision. I would be surprised if it was announced without consultation. But 2UE are saying the announcment was

Before you all get too excited….

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...04de20dc84b559

I'm not sure the Feds can open the International Borders to just one state. An overly enthusiastic new Premier perhaps.

The Federal Government can decide who can cross the border into Australia and the conditions under which they do so. Sure the Feds could impose a quarantine requirement but then they would have to administer and deliver it. That is something they have shown no inclination to take on since March 2020.

NSW is getting out of the quarantine game for vaccinated arrivals from 01 November. Who is going to take over?

The moment an international traveller steps foot outside a terminal they will be free to do as they wish inside NSW.

The real question is how long the other states/territories will be able to justify their own quarantine requirements from now on.

Not sure what you mean here, it contradicts itself. The Federal Government is unlikely to open the International Borders until all the States are ready and agree to do so.
In the case when one or two states are holding out, then the borders can still be open Nationally and any restrictions into any one state is on that state alone.

Brilliant political play by the NSW Premier. Will force Morrison to actually take responsibility and make a decision that will have personal Political consequences for him. Will Morrison decide to finally take up the Fed quarantine responsibility or decide to ban / allow unfettered double vaccinated inbound travel?

Perhaps I am succumbing to my own optimism Xeptu. But equally, I cannot see how you can be so adamant about what the Feds will or will not do. Effectively, the NSW government is sending a signal to Canberra, and elsewhere, saying "we are ready, let 'em in". I for one hope that the Feds respond by saying "OK, here they come".

So what about the inverse situation where one state is ahead of the others and is prepared to accept the risk and reward of allowing travellers across the border?

So what if ScoMo says the international border is now "open" with no quarantine reqquirement on arrival for vaccinated travellers.

Perth Airport is now open for business.

McGowan says no way. His authority ends at the airport boundary does it not? Federal land and all that, AFP jurisdiction not WAPOL.

Would be an interesting little exercise.

I understood there will be no quarantine for any double vaxxed inbound passengers anywhere. Only the unvaxxed, but then you can't come in anyway, it's a double vaxxed and a negative test prior to departure. Quarantine is federal anyway for International Inbound Passengers. I'm not sure about outbreaks and close contacts sent into quarantine, I think that's State.

Oh come on, if the state is closed to arrivals that's it, no different to a domestic turn around enroute, which has happened.

ScoMo has just said that the Federal Government controls the borders. No tourists yet. Only returning Australians will be allowed to start with.

Then the International Borders are open and thus ends the National State of Emergency. An individual state can remain closed to both either or International or Domestic Travel.

That wasn't the plan though, it was all of us together, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in stages as you say.

They can, and they just did. NSW open for returning Australians and immediate family which is being looked at to being expanded to parents, permanent residents are also allowed to freely leave for holiday and return with no quarantine into NSW with proof of TGA approved double vaccination. Sco Mo also said “Australians are allowed to leave freely” meaning WA residents are free to leave Aus and return, however, will be subject to their own state requirements getting to their residents where ever that is.

Another case of what was said and what is understood to have been said. All of the states have been open to returning Australians albeit in limited numbers and on occasions no entry at all to an individual state. Australians leaving can but not so freely and returning has always been subject to conditions.

And that could be what The Dom is looking forward to.

If McGoose or Anna-Stayaway continue to refuse permission to enter to anyone who has been in NSW, then any QLD/WA residents can fly back in to Oz, and will have to stay in NSW spending their $$ there rather than their home state. Who knows, he might even convince a few of them to stay in NSW with the logic "We did the righty by you, your own Premier turned their back & disowned you!" :}

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Domestic is a different beast to international.

Yeah ok what ever. We all know you’re dead set against moving on and living. Ppl will be able to enter NSW that’s what was said.

Always has been per the Constitution. “National Cabinet” convened and SCOMO conveniently palmed off his responsibility to the States. My point is he now has to actually make a decision and wear the consequences.

SOPS above reports he’s done just that.

The CEO of Cricket Australia revealed today the discussions regarding the next Ashes test series that've been ongoing between the relevant parties and governments, indicating the series will go ahead as scheduled and they're happy with the negotiations with the WA government regarding the viability of the fifth test in Perth.

The 4th test ends in Sydney on Jan 9 and then the 5th test starts in Perth on the 14th. Obviously isn't going to be a 14 day quarantine in place by then.

Wow. After all this time, people still don't know how the Quarantine arrangements work between Federal & State. :rolleyes:

Mate that's really not fair, I'm a realist and say it like it is. The New NSW Premier does not have the powers to open his International Border, that's a Federal Government responsibility.

Now just a heads up, Emperor McGowan is likely to have some fun in the media with the new Liberal Premier, don't take it too seriously.

P.S We need a title for the new King of Liliput following the Slaying of Queen Gladys

McGowan is a man who doesn’t look like he’s ever had a moment’s fun in his entire life.

I’m a realist as much as you, and what DP has done is put SM balls in a noose! He went one way sco mo has now made it his own political agenda to go against him as he does not want to upset the voters of other states.

McGowen is a person that actually has not done a thing in his life! WA is an absolute mess he is riding the closed border covid wave and the that is the main reason he won in a landslide!

Now Gladys, her resignation is the best thing that happened to NSW I was a fan of her but her saying one thing doing another was getting old. Remember her saying the 11am would stop but the next day, the next day and after that there she was still doing them.

Mostly agreed, however that's politics, if a politician is going to appear in the media and sprout sh#t then they should expect a hosing down, that's what we Aussies do. The new King of Lilliput won't be any different, except he has the luxury of joining the race in the last 50 metres. Personally I think he's blown it already, lets see what happens.

I am trying to leave Australia, but have been denied an exit exemption. Good to know Australia is no better than North Korea. Surely, I can ignore this stupid travel exemption now.

Now we have a NSW premier who thinks he is the PM. To his credit Scomo hasn't been PM since the bushfires.

DP will not be the savior, he is not even an elected leader of the ppl and to be honest he most likely wouldn’t be when the time comes, his time may be short lived! But, he is stirring the pot instead of a “conversation” or “we will look at it” he is actually doing and wanting to make it happen. To his credit that is putting pressure on all states, territories and his own liberal federal compatriots which is what this country needs wether you like it or not.

I say this, or write. Think of our national anthem and the words in it do they apply now?!! I’ve never been an advocate to change it, but, after covid and how our country has acted towards one another it certainty is not worthy anthem for us now.

Mate I'm hearing what you say and I genuinely feel for those in Melb, Syd and SE Queensland in that order, you guys have had it really tough the rest of us are grateful we don't live there.
For the rest of us that hasn't been our experience, the worst for us has been remembering to take your face mask with you when we want to go into a public place.
Yes we want the borders open and something like it was pre covid, but we're not in any rush, it's important to get everyone vaccinated. 80% double vaxxed is a good place to start the opening process. It's going to happen and if everything goes to plan before Christmas. The majority of Australians aren't feeling the pain some of you are.
We also know it's going to take time, pre covid normality isn't going to just happen on opening day, it's more like many many months.

Just to reiterate NSW will be well above 80% double jabbed by Nov 1st, Victoria around 70%, QLD, SA, WA and NT around 60%.

The reason NSW can open to non quarantine international travel by then but no other state isn’t some strike of genius or great management on park of their government, it’s simply because they are more vaccinated as a result of receiving priority and allocation and having an a outbreak and lockdown which drove them to be vaccinated.

The other states will change their tune as their vax rate increases, although we want them to do it now they’ll wait further to get a more accurate picture before setting dates. Even NSW waited until 78% fully vaxxed until making this decision with a two week warning. It’s probably not as realistic for the Covid zero states to give their reopening plans now at 55% vax rates.

Tasmania is still aiming for a covid zero and going for a 3 day lockdown this weekend due to a loose positive case. That won’t happen in about 6-8 weeks.