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Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 01:09


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11060194)
Haha, me too.

Makes me laugh that I innocently posted a reference to a segment on a news program (although I use that term lightly with Sky) by a demographic expert and every pretend expert on this forum has unleashed their mob-wisdom to discredit it without even realising what the point the guy was making was.

YES, people cross from one place to another in Sydney, but the ENTIRE BLOODY POPULATION doesn't do it on a daily basis. When you have a clump of suburbs in Melbourne that have an outbreak, there is no bridge or harbour or natural barrier, every suburb almost without exception borders (often on the other side of the street) with the next suburb. Given that not all 100% of people in Sydney drive to every other suburb separated from their region by a river or bridge every single day, it's OBVIOUS that sunken rivers and other barriers provide 'some' separation that does not exist in most other states, especially Victoria.

Precisely because of the bridge that you refer to this guy's position does have some merit, whether all the self-appointed geniuses on here agree with it or not. There is a physical/topographical difference between Sydney and Melbourne.


oh dear..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...burn-west.html




PoppaJo 30th Jun 2021 01:50

Goodbye Adelaide according to reports.

Jetstar are oversold Melbourne to Cairns at the moment and Melbourne-Tasmania is full across all carriers. Not many other places you can go!

Potsie Weber 30th Jun 2021 01:57

In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390

brokenagain 30th Jun 2021 02:07

The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.

Chronic Snoozer 30th Jun 2021 02:07


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11070694)
In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of this nation. Is this what anarchy against federation looks like?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...eaf63dd9c0c390

In another sign the Federal Government has completely lost control of its health officers. This is just a p1ssing match between health experts that have a difference of opinion and different tolerances to risk.

Chronic Snoozer 30th Jun 2021 02:10


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 11070697)
The mixed messaging around vaccines in this country is going to mean we’ll be in this mess for a long time to come.

The void in true leadership from the top has a large part to blame. We’re arguably in a worse position now than at anytime during this pandemic.

The leadership is being led by epidemiologists. Apparently. They are now swimming in the same pool of information we are and are struggling to find the bottom.

SOPS 30th Jun 2021 02:15

Seems like SA is about to lock down.

SHVC 30th Jun 2021 02:47

Palachook still trying to run ppls lives, her and CMO won’t allow under 40s get AZ meanwhile NSW is allowing anyone and everyone to get AZ.

I want to leave live in a country that’s living.

transition_alt 30th Jun 2021 02:53

And now Alice Springs is going into a 72 hour lockdown from 1pm.

What the h*ll is wrong with this country!?

DanV2 30th Jun 2021 02:57

South Australia also reported to be facing imminent lockdown. Mining/Delta cluster has reportedly reached Adelaide.

That's over half the country if SA joins most other states in lockdown.

DanV2 30th Jun 2021 03:21

Marshall just said SA won't be going into lockdown.. for now. 5 new community cases, all linked to the Mining/Delta cluster.

KRviator 30th Jun 2021 04:21

'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says

Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
No, I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca.

Originally Posted by Reporter
Why?

Originally Posted by The Queen-P's-Land CHO
Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome.

I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die. We've had very few deaths due to COVID-19 in Australia in people under the age of 50, and wouldn't it be terrible that our first 18-year-old in Queensland to who dies related to this pandemic died because of the vaccine?



If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

ruprecht 30th Jun 2021 04:36


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11070723)
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

Yep… it’s always easier to make decisions when they don’t directly affect you financially.

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 06:10

Marvellous. Nurse tested positive has worked at RNS and another hospital for 5 days. Wards locked down…

other hospital is Fairfield.

morno 30th Jun 2021 06:15


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070669)
no it doesn’t translate at all. The drivers licence scenario is not at all comparable to a pandemic with a highly contagious deadly virus.

God almighty. I sure hope you aren’t a pilot with people’s lives under your responsibility.

Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot :rolleyes:

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 06:23


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11070759)
Oh yes, because knowing how to implement and manage a vaccine passport is ohh so important to my role as a pilot :rolleyes:

If you’re so all over it Einstein why don’t you let us know your professional qualifications that makes you such an expert in the best way to do it?

I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .

I think I have stated many many times that it cannot be done. It is up to you to provide the means of implementing and more importantly police the measures that YOU want to put in place.

as for being an expert. Well I have had that line before. About that charlatan, sorry demographer. You may want to refer to my post just above regarding that. The one with the link to the news article…

as for your role as a pilot. You have proven a complete lack of rationality, critical thinking and common sense.

I would think they are necessary requirements for most jobs that have people’s lives in their hands.

Foxxster 30th Jun 2021 06:47


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11070723)
'I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca', Queensland Chief Health Officer says
If this isn't so depressingly sad, it'd be funny.

"Very few deaths in Oz in under 50-yr-olds." But who are the ones being screwed over by the ongoing lockdowns - sorry, "Stay-at-home-orders"? Taxpayers. Who, are by and large, under 50! Who are the people going to be paying for the decisions these CHO's and Premier's are making? Taxpayers, particularly those under 50!

These decisions, particularly these days with the Delta variant that appears to be more contagious but nowhere near as fatal, are becoming more and more based on a CHO's opinion of risk, rather than data. For example: in NSW, on the 28th December 2020, we have had 4,683 cases that resulted in 56 deaths source. Fast forward to 30 June and we have had 5,637 cases that have resulted in exactly zero additional deaths Source.

1,000 more cases with no additional fatalities in 6 months and that's in NSW. Pretty good odd's I'd have to say.

you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this.

And to think that same grossly irresponsible chief health officer has just been made governor of qld. Jobs for the girls. She appears completely politically compromised.

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….

Cafe City 30th Jun 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070773)
you have to wonder .. are they simply playing politics AGAIN with this. both Labor premiers come out at the same time requesting a reduction in overseas arrivals and now this…….

oh and the chooks faux outrage at the girl not getting vaccinated. From a premier who (purposely) delayed getting vaccinated herself and then suddenly needed to go to the Olympics and shock horror, the only vaccine she could then get was Pfizer….

Maybe she could start by cutting her own return from the Olympics….

ScepticalOptomist 30th Jun 2021 09:45


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 11070672)
Since you are across all the data, what are the vaccination rates in these "First world countries " of which you speak?

Roughly 53-65% with USA and Germany at the low end and Canada , Israel, and UK at the high end.

These countries are reporting cases with greater than 90% less death rates - all reporting the Delta variant as being the most common, compared with the death rates from the earlier strains, especially when compared with the first wave.

The data is available, you just have to look at it and WANT to understand what it says.

You won’t find a nice packaged article on the usual media sites unless it’s fear based click fodder for the lazy and stupid.

Keg 30th Jun 2021 13:39

The data out of the UK is very clear. Delta not as deadly in all cases. Vaccines highly effective at both decreasing transmission and lowering symptoms of those who still contract it. Death rate of vaccinated people with Delta is virtually zero. In the UK, for the last month, every week has seen more deaths from the flu and pneumonia than Covid.

I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.

ruprecht 30th Jun 2021 13:59


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11070983)
I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.

Well, it should be getting yelled from the rooftops by the federal government - but I’m pretty sure they’re trying to avoid highlighting how good things are going overseas at the moment.

Green.Dot 30th Jun 2021 22:58

Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...28-p5852n.html

Gnadenburg 30th Jun 2021 23:19

Indeed. Look at Israel too. Delta is spreading amongst a partially vaccinated society yet hospitalisations are down. Health officials are cautious with measured reintroduction of restrictions.

“We have reached a level of herd immunity in Israel that also provides cross-protection against the delta variant, and for that reason the virus does not spread as quickly, it doesn’t reach the most vulnerable population and it doesn’t cause a lot of hospitalizations,” Yoram Weiss, director of Jerusalem’s Hadassah University Medical Center, said Monday. “It is making all the difference.”

Is COVID now a non-lethal disease with vaccinations and your most vulnerable protected?

“At this point, I still don’t have a single patient,” Weiss said. “Yes, we need to remain vigilant. But we need to understand that this time we are confronting the virus in a different situation than we had before.”

However, back in Australia, the idiocy continues! Health Bureaucrats present like rock stars, many public servants and private sector enjoy working from home or their holiday houses and the number of unprofitable Aussies on the rise; ignorant that their grand kids may be burdened with crippling debt and taxes so they can get a gov handout and go further into debt.

Cirressna 1st Jul 2021 00:04


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11071168)
Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…

Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 01:21


Originally Posted by Cirressna (Post 11071202)
Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!

Basing any judgement of wider opinion on comments in an article (which can be subject to bots or trolls) is a poor idea but sort the comments by “Most Respected” rather than the default “Newest” and you’ll see the most respected replies all endorse the pro-vaccine position.

Chronic Snoozer 1st Jul 2021 01:46

Melbourne GP slams QLD CHO

Chronic Snoozer 1st Jul 2021 01:51


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070762)
I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .

That’ll be the MMR vax.:rolleyes:

”Foxxster’s Law” - the longer an internet argument goes on the greater the chance your fitness to hold a pilot’s licence will be challenged.

Icarus2001 1st Jul 2021 02:51

So Daniel Andrews and Scott Morrison in heated agreement. Go and see your GP and get their advice about AZ.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 03:54

You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 04:00


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

Please provide links from credible sources to back up those claims.

Not links that say those treatments CAN have an effect on death rates, I want sources that say those treatments are the MAIN or SOLE reason death rates have gone down, not vaccination as you have said.

Looking forward to your answer......

cloudsurfng 1st Jul 2021 04:01

Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?


SOPS 1st Jul 2021 04:02


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

Spare me.. not this again. Just go and get vaccinated!!!

WingNut60 1st Jul 2021 04:17


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

And also because a large section of the most vulnerable group within the Western populations are now dead.

ruprecht 1st Jul 2021 04:23


Originally Posted by cloudsurfng (Post 11071254)
Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?

I think he’s now immortal.

turbantime 1st Jul 2021 05:45

Had a brain dead moron remark how the survivability of this virus is increasing. Wouldn’t accept that it had to do with vaccination rates increasing. Some people literally cannot put two and two together.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 06:04

Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason

WingNut60 1st Jul 2021 06:22


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071284)
Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason

Well many of the first lot, the ones with a high fatality rate, were in aged care.
Whereas most of the current crop of infectees seem to be regular gym enthusiasts so maybe it's that.............or the steroids.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 08:33

it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab9d902b5.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9469613ce.jpeg

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 10:05


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071356)
it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:

Most of those nations were in lockdown until mid March, plus the natural curve of a viral illness will decrease post the middle of winter.

The first dose vaccinations at 10-20% of the population were prioritised for the most vulnerable groups, the elderly. The percentage of over 65s in those nations is about 15-20%, so a big majority of the vulnerable in those nations would have gotten a first dose by mid March, so would've had a good level of protection and decreased the death rate.

But the main point is look at a comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same demographics at the same time. And there's no debate:

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated




SOPS 1st Jul 2021 11:13

It has just been stated that since this began.. there have been 51000 people through HQ in WA alone. Some have been through HQ as many as 8 times!!! This rubbish has to stop. You come in, you stay in. You leave now, you don’t come back. And that included ‘ sports people’ and such.


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