Good news is Victoria can’t keep up with vaccinations they’re turning ppl away. Now we just need outbreaks in the other states and territories to get a kick up the a$$.

Also, could someone tell me what this J.Weimar fellow is actually supposed to be doing? Doesn’t seem a lot.

People just need a little motivation sometimes!

That's what he said.

And I agreed with him. :-)

Victorians being keen as to get jabbed now. Theoretically speaking, if all of Vic residents get the jab and the other states and territories are still fluffing in the wind. that would mean we would have to close off to Vic because there would be no need for them to test for the virus it would become the common flu there, thats why we want the vaccine right?! This will be interesting for sure.

There’s a new Vietnamese killer mutant death strain looming into the horizon according to the media...

it just reminds me of the war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia; never seems to approach any end.

With all this scaremongering over the AstraZeneca vaccine….

ooops.

All vaccines work, none increase your chance of death significantly, if at all. Compared to the risk from Covid you're always better off having the vaccine

That’s because for about two months from late Jan to late March France and Germany restricted use of AZ to under 65. Persons in that cohort will have a lower risk of dying of natural causes in the weeks after the vaccine compared to the older age bracket who got mostly Pfizer so overall this has skewed the death rate to being higher overall for Pfizer.

And you’d realise that if you got your news from a better source than RT.

Agree 100%,basically nobody thinks twice about vaccinating their kids,nobody thinks twice about being vaccinated if needed to enter a country on a holiday destination where its required & even if somebody does have complications after the jab it doesnt make headlines.
People have reactions to the common flu vaccination but lots still have it,just saying...

The testing for these vaccines have not been remotely as rigorous as previous vaccines.......

One used to choose to go to another country and choose whether to get vaccinated or not.....

Has this changed?

oh I realise an awful lot about what was going on in Europe and the political games they were playing with the AstraZeneca vaccine. In fact I know more than you I would gamble.

as you missed the point entirely of my post I will make it simple for you.

the scaremongering, yes if you’d paid attention you would have spotted i used that word, over the AstraZeneca vaccine has been verging on hysterical. With every case of clotting and every death making headlines. And with little facts surrounding it in terms of how rare it really is. However seeing as the Pfizer vaccine also has complications as per the study then why no spotlight on it. People die with Pfizer, and more than AstraZeneca per this report. Underlying facts don’t matter to the mainstream media or many in the general public.

Hope that was patronising enough .

That’s not exactly how you presented your argument in your original post. FWIW, I came to a similar conclusion to De Dre. I’m glad you’ve cleared that up now, but it might be worthwile expanding on your point of view in the future.

You have to die of something. At the end of the day you will get the flu, and whether you like it or not you will get Covid, or a mutation of the original Covid 19.

Have the jab, don’t have the jab. Whatever works. Just don’t regret not having the jab when it’s too late.

We have a circuit breaker in this country. Enough time for everyone to make up their own mind. Rely on herd immunity, or risk death associated with a jab. Herd immunity only works when we have enough people brave enough to protect their family by putting their lives on the line. Melodramatic?

Herd immunity has worked with disease and infection of similar R values, so make a choice and let’s move on.

So you want a plan set in concrete when the thing you are planning against is a moving target.
Best have a flexible idea that can change with the moving target.

A good example is QF62. If they had stuck with the "plan" as per the checklist, what would have been the outcome?

We have to deal with what is thrown at us.
Different variants, restrictions of AZ being released from Europe, vaccine hesitancy, etc.

Who thought in March 2020 that we have had less that 1000 deaths in Oz.
Be bl000y thankful that our management has been one of the most successful.
We have an awful lot of "experts" marched out by the media saying we should do this or should have done that.
I would rather go with their cohort who are advising the Government who would have access to the latest information.

For some, yes
https://simpleflying.com/alliance-va...n-requirement/

very interesting..

from this guy

Byram Bridle, Associate Professor of Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph in Canada . Note the captions are not completely correct. Probably done by a robot.

You Tube

No, we just want A plan. One that is based on sound data and analysis - not a knee jerk reaction.

There hasn’t been any “management” - it’s been a farce - the fact we are an isolated island is what has “saved” us.

The monkeys in charge haven’t managed to get quarantine right, nor implemented a strategy to “open up”. They are reactive and care more about how they look politically than doing the right thing by the country.

The easily impressed and molly
coddled think they’re being “kept safe”.

Lets see what the exit strategies look like and compare notes in a few months time. I reckon we’re not going to be on top of the pack.

The only plan the government is interested in is the plan to get re-elected. Everything else is a sideshow.

Non bot version here...

https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-...vaccines-sugge

What we are seeing is the political CFIT from both state and federal governments.

The constant failings and avoidable deaths simply cant be explained away.

The smugness of the Federal mob is excrutiating to watch and will have long term consequences for us all.

Professional scum.

MCD.

Another case of transmission in HQ, this time in Perth - no risk to the community by the looks of it which is good.

"But it works 99.9% of time"

And at the good old Pan Pacific in Perth. Good thing none of the airline crews stay there.:ugh:

Impressive to watch the PM throw Brendan Murphy under the bus in question time today rather than admit that, yes, indeed, the vaccine rollout is a race or admit to any shortcomings in his government's role in it. Disgusting.

Brendan Murphy seems to be quite comfortable with the PM's response in question time….

Brendan Murphy defends Scott Morrison as Labor accuses Prime Minister of deflecting blame

And as the sound data and analysis change, shall we stick to a now outdated Plan A, or adjust our plan to suit the changing sound data and analysis??

You don’t seem to understand the point multiple people have been making....

Plan A was: “close the border”

Based on almost 18 months of “sound data and analysis” the follow on is????

”crickets”

Precisely. This is what people like 601 are missing. The knee jerk “shut the border” between the states is WAY outdated - there has been no further development of the plan nor any nuance applied to it.

Anyone who dares question the plan gets the usual “but look what’s happening over there!”

We have zero idea domestically and even less idea what to do internationally.

We will be left quivering like scared children long after the world gets back to business unless the government get a crack on.

I think a major issue is the supply of the Pfizer vaccine. I understand it will not be available in large quantities, 1 million a week, until October under current contracts. Currently the number is around 300,000 a week. The bulk of our vaccines are the AstraZeneca. Which has had the scare campaign surrounding it both here and in many other countries.

the Pfizer is needed for a large number of the remaining unvaccinated as they are under 50 or are over 50 but holding out due to the scare campaign, yes including the chook premier in Queensland.

given that, our vaccination rates are still ramping up. Now at 4.24 million. But realistically we are not going to have wide scale opening of international borders until we have at least 50%+ vaccinated, similar to other countries that have or are considering some international travel. Which isn’t going to be until the end of this year at the earliest. And I suspect the same will relate to state borders as well.

having mentioned the scare campaign, that audio report I linked to has some potentially disturbing developments surrounding these vaccines. Which could have very wide implications.

Plan B has nothing to do with data or analysis but everything to do with the electoral cycle. Most of the population is quite happy with closed borders and the appearance of a strong government response. Look at the response to getting the vaccine now that there is an outbreak in Victoria. Two weeks ago very few were fronting up for the jab now fear of getting the disease is causing long queues. The next election is due next year well before October 2022. By then memories of closed borders and slow vaccine rollouts will be faded and the incumbent government will look like geniuses.

I’m with Lookleft, the election is Plan B, Plan C is the one you should be referring to

Oh dear, Re the AZ 'scare". The risk of the AZ vaccine data shows it's far more dangerous to a refuse the vaccine, than the tiny proportion of possible blood clotting.
Large proportion of UK has,(me), and is still having the AZ. So we're all doomed here??

Absolutely infuriated with the farce of the vaccine rollout.
Just saw Brisbane 9 News story showing every man and his dog getting Pfizer while a huge % of Phase 1a have not had their first shot!
Muggins here did as we were told and booked for our 1b shots several weeks back and will be another 10 days til I have my first shot.
What the absolute F are you doing Feds and Qld Health?!!!!!!

This whole thing has degenerated into a mud slinging, party aligned mess & there's plenty of blame to share around Federal & State, Libs & Labor! God help us if we ever needed a genuine War Cabinet! :rolleyes:

being in the UK, you must be fully aware of the European response to AstraZeneca. Care to explain that to us. And why it is not be used in Australia for the under 50 age groups.

I’ll save you some work..

People under 40 will be offered an alternative to the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine where possible and while infection rates remain low, following a recommendation from government advisers.It comes after the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reviewed the speed and uptake of Covid vaccines in the UK and the latest figures on very rare blood clots after first shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine.


now I am not agreeing with those responses, just pointing out what has happened here and around the world. And yes, there are plenty in the over 50 age group waiting for the Pfizer vaccine because they have been scared off AstraZeneca, including one of our state premiers.

meanwhile..Pfizer's Covid vaccine is the 'probable' cause of heart inflammation in a very small number of people who get the jab, Israel's Health Ministry claimed today.

Analysis of the jab rollout there found there had been 148 cases of myocarditis, the medical name for swelling in the heart, shortly after the patient had been vaccinated.

A total of 275 cases have been spotted so far out of around five million people given the Pfizer jab in Israel, which has had one of the world's most successful jab rollouts. The remaining 127 are thought to have happened later so a link was unclear

shouldn’t there be a scare campaign against Pfizer now.

Of course!

Politics to extend state of emergency etc far more likely a reason that the “Victorian” strain is so “deadly”…

Yes. The “Humphrey Applby’s” of all Govts are working overtime right now.
More spin than an aft loaded Chipmunk.