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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:03
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Originally Posted by transition_alt
Not without an AOC they won’t be. I highly doubt they’ll get one before the end of the year with CASA about.

Maybe they can use the parked up Network machines
Skytraders are already contracted by Minres so an expansion funded in part or entirely by Minres would make sense (or at least join the AOC dots).
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:04
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Anyone know what the package is like? (Asking for a friend)
Only a trickle of info, but it would make an airline blush. You could even enjoy yourself and afford to do it.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:05
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Originally Posted by transition_alt
Not without an AOC they won’t be. I highly doubt they’ll get one before the end of the year with CASA about.

Maybe they can use the parked up Network machines
The announcement I saw was absolutely resolute. Maybe they know something we don’t.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:25
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
I wonder how many Netlink pilots are dusting off their resumes as we speak?

Have heard from a reliable source quoting 300k for a captain at minres.
I think everyone at Network has had an up to the minute CV ready to go for a while, but this has been a most interesting development.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:25
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Wasn’t the negotiation period with QF closing today?
Hope crew are standing FIRM
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
Wasn’t the negotiation period with QF closing today?
Hope crew are standing FIRM
It has been extended by two weeks to go through items and check what is agreed a bit more thoroughly with the aim of reducing the overall timeframe by reducing the number of things Fairwork has to decide. It feels a bit like the can has been locked down the road again but I can see the logic.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 06:56
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
I wonder how many Netlink pilots are dusting off their resumes as we speak?

Have heard from a reliable source quoting 300k for a captain at minres.
Not just Network Pilots. A couple of ex-Perth NJS Pilots are out the door with a free A220 endo for the fun of it.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 07:59
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Not just Network Pilots. A couple of ex-Perth NJS Pilots are out the door with a free A220 endo for the fun of it.

Isn't the sole purpose of NJS to train pilots for Breeze airways?? If not their salary says otherwise 😂
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 10:04
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Isn't the sole purpose of NJS to train pilots for Breeze airways?? If not their salary says otherwise 😂
And not everyone intends to use their rating to actually fly a A220. Some are awaiting start dates, so will complete the rating as they are slated to do and leave when their number comes up elsewhere. Such is the level of respect Qantas has earned among its pilots.
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
And not everyone intends to use their rating to actually fly a A220. Some are awaiting start dates, so will complete the rating as they are slated to do and leave when their number comes up elsewhere. Such is the level of respect Qantas has earned among its pilots.
Sensational. When I started at the mothership I was perplexed why all these A380 captains +65 would do a 737 rating (on 380 command wages) then go dead (double knee or hip), get to sim 509 then quit with 0 sick leave. I didn't understand their disdain. 6 months later I understood..

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Originally Posted by walesregent
It has been extended by two weeks to go through items and check what is agreed a bit more thoroughly with the aim of reducing the overall timeframe by reducing the number of things Fairwork has to decide. It feels a bit like the can has been locked down the road again but I can see the logic.
It’s now in the hands of fair work. Declared intractable today. Let’s hope fair work hold up their end of the ‘same work same pay’ campaign. Wouldn’t be surprised if Qantas are already privy to the end result thanks to those who enjoy cheap food and wine in the chairman’s lounge.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 14:46
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Hey Qantas, just you wait until Minres start offering fifo services to other small miners, for when their aircraft arent being fully utilised. Then wait until BHP, RIO, ROYH and FMG catch on 😂😂😂 oh its going to be joyous watching Qantas being demolished. Probably shouldn't have pissed people off with ties to other industries 😂😂😂
Ellison won't be the first billionaire to bleed cash on an aviation ego trip.

Why would Minres effectively subsidise cheap FIFO services for competitors?There is no way they will get the economies of scale necessary to offer airline pricing.

Good luck to those who go there, caveat emptor!
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 14:54
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
Ellison won't be the first billionaire to bleed cash on an aviation ego trip.

Why would Minres effectively subsidise cheap FIFO services for competitors?There is no way they will get the economies of scale necessary to offer airline pricing.

Good luck to those who go there, caveat emptor!
you know what they say fastest way to be a millionare is to start an airline as a billionaire
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
Ellison won't be the first billionaire to bleed cash on an aviation ego trip.

Why would Minres effectively subsidise cheap FIFO services for competitors?There is no way they will get the economies of scale necessary to offer airline pricing.

Good luck to those who go there, caveat emptor!

Minres Leases roads and a number of other facilities to other companies.

Economies of scale??? Do you think a mining company gives a **** about aircraft charter cost, when a 1 hour flight delay results in a loss of $540,000+ in revenue? And the larger players are losing more than that for every hour that passes by.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 15:04
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you know what they say fastest way to be a millionare is to start an airline as a billionaire

If there is one man who could run an airline, it would be Chris Ellison, and it would be great if he expanded and tried to take down Qantas. As I said earlier, if there is a problem at Minres he will get it sorted asap. He doesn't give a **** and tells it how it is, and listens to staff on the ground generally. I will not name particular situations, but I will give you an idea. If Qantas had no engines avaliable and had 1 or 2 aircraft parked loosing money, he would go and buy 30 engines and 5 spare aircraft. When his mines started turning to ****, thats how he turned them around, he seems to be the only ceo out there that realises if machines or aircraft arent running they arent making money.
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But yes aviation adventures are obviously a poor financial decision. But honestly can anyone else do a worse job than the imbred fruitcakes on Coward street?? I think not.
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Old 28th Mar 2024, 15:50
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It’s now in the hands of fair work. Declared intractable today. Let’s hope fair work hold up their end of the ‘same work same pay’ campaign. Wouldn’t be surprised if Qantas are already privy to the end result thanks to those who enjoy cheap food and wine in the chairman’s lounge.
So when will FWC announce their decision?
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So when will FWC announce their decision?
Could take months. I’d bet fair work take their time with this as it’s the first aviation ruling under the new legislation. I still don’t envisage a scenario where Qantas come out the other end losing. In what world would a massive corporation earning billions in profit willingly walk into the unknown without being aware of the outcome? There’s definitely deals being done under the table though - after all, this is the corrupt government we are talking about.
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Has it been confirmed that a full bench will make a declaration?
Could take months. I’d bet fair work take their time with this as it’s the first aviation ruling under the new legislation.
If it is to be a declaration then my bet is that it comes out very close to the average Australian narrow body base salary, allowances, days off, annual leave, and overtime rates. It kind of has to to prevent companies, or alternatively employee groups, from engineering IB conditions.
Average conditions would be a win for the Network pilots I would have thought.
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
Ellison won't be the first billionaire to bleed cash on an aviation ego trip.

Why would Minres effectively subsidise cheap FIFO services for competitors?There is no way they will get the economies of scale necessary to offer airline pricing.

Good luck to those who go there, caveat emptor!
Do you think Chris Ellison became a billionaire because he is stupid with money? Go for a drive near Perth Airport and you’ll see MinRes’ training facility. Google the design of their new camps.

Finally someone who recognises there are long term investment costs to running a major business. They’ve obviously run their sums and realised it is advantageous to bring their FIFO transport in house - because losing $5M on their private airline outweighs losing $15M on the various cancellations and delays caused by an operator they are held hostage to, who cannot crew their flights appropriately any more.
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