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But on another note, Airline wages especially what Network is paying, is an utter disgrace.
Before we all get too carried away and angry about those sort of pay levels it’s worth remembering that qualified trades in this country are literally Koala Bears politically. Both sides of politics protect them from any sort of labour competition that is why there is a skills shortage and they are now looking at pay levels 2-3x minimum wage. Neither the Libs or Labor will allow any sort of skill migration for skilled labour and that is why construction costs are astronomical and Unionised Labor are getting these sort of deals. No other country in the world would allow that to happen except in Australia.
The issue this generates is that it destroys the incentive for any sort of educated job. Why would you go to Uni, incurring decent amount of debt when you get paid management level incomes to work a trade? Or worst still spend 150k to be a pilot to earn minimum wage type of salaries. Honestly what’s the point? It’s even worse when you look at how this affects qualified white collar jobs in the building industry.
The issue this generates is that it destroys the incentive for any sort of educated job. Why would you go to Uni, incurring decent amount of debt when you get paid management level incomes to work a trade? Or worst still spend 150k to be a pilot to earn minimum wage type of salaries. Honestly what’s the point? It’s even worse when you look at how this affects qualified white collar jobs in the building industry.
So a trade is not an “educated job”?
And a pilot is an “educated job”?
And there’s apparently some weird, invisible force that counteracts another weird, invisible force called the ‘market’, such that the ‘educated’ are guaranteed more remuneration than the ‘uneducated’?
There is actually a weird invisible force counteracting the market. You mentioned it: Politics. But I have to respectfully disagree with your view that politics is impeding any foreign tradie with a heartbeat entering Australia on a visa. My perspective is that qualified foreign tradies would be and are welcomed by all recent governments of whatever persuasion, with wide open arms.
Just before I purchased my first home, as an ‘uneducated’ tradie, I recall visiting a display home at which, coincidentally, one of my erstwhile high school colleagues was working a part time job while he was studying law at Uni. He was living in comfortable poverty in a share rent home with some mates who were also studying at Uni. I purchased my first home and lived in comfortable poverty for a while, while my erstwhile colleague continued to live in comfortable poverty in a shared rent home, for a long while.
All one needs to do is read this forum to see that there are plenty of pilots out there who cannot write a coherent paragraph to save their lives. Educated? No. They just have a ‘qualification’ – an expensive one, like many other HECs-burdened Uni graduates who can’t write a coherent paragraph to save their lives. I’ve supervised graduate lawyers who couldn’t write a coherent paragraph.
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Why would you go to Uni, incurring decent amount of debt when you get paid management level incomes to work a trade? Or worst still spend 150k to be a pilot to earn minimum wage type of salaries. Honestly what’s the point?
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If they are interested in retaining those 270 pilots those are things that need to be addressed. It might have been competitive when it was one of the few jobs on offer, but it certainly isn’t now. I would’ve thought that was pretty self evident.
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network and others are below poverty wages…
So a lack of tradesmen leads to them being in high demand and able to attract high wages. NN solution is to import qualified people.
A lack of pilots, on the other hand, does not lead to them getting reasonable pay and pretty much everyone on this forum would be up in alms if the floodgates opened to pilot imports.
There is a lack of tradesmen because there is a lack of apprenticeships on offer. There is a lack of apprenticeships available because Australia's manufacturing industry is all but gone and other industries do not invest in training for the future. From another thread, Qantas currently has only fifteen engineering apprentices currently on the books.
A lack of pilots, on the other hand, does not lead to them getting reasonable pay and pretty much everyone on this forum would be up in alms if the floodgates opened to pilot imports.
There is a lack of tradesmen because there is a lack of apprenticeships on offer. There is a lack of apprenticeships available because Australia's manufacturing industry is all but gone and other industries do not invest in training for the future. From another thread, Qantas currently has only fifteen engineering apprentices currently on the books.
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There is also a lack of apprentices because the generation today don’t like the hours, the low pay and the hard work IMO. I have a friend who has started 11 GA apprentices over the last 6/7 years and only 2 have completed it. One was mature age.
Whadaya mean they don’t like the long hours and low pay? Ingrates!
For those Qantas lovers with coolaid in their veins…
Mineral Resources will own 4 A319s by the end of 24 and will be running their own FIFO airline.
Mineral Resources will own 4 A319s by the end of 24 and will be running their own FIFO airline.
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Well this will be amusing. Drillers are on 148k 2/2 or 206k 2/1 maybe pilots in W.A will finally earn a respectable wage. I am not the biggest fan of Minres, but when they have a serious problem, they plug it with cash, unlike RIO or BHP.
Maybe they can use the parked up Network machines
Correct. They also maintain full control of the reliability, safety and culture. All of which must be on their threat radar these days.
Hey Qantas, just you wait until Minres start offering fifo services to other small miners, for when their aircraft arent being fully utilised. Then wait until BHP, RIO, ROYH and FMG catch on 😂😂😂 oh its going to be joyous watching Qantas being demolished. Probably shouldn't have pissed people off with ties to other industries 😂😂😂
I wonder how many Netlink pilots are dusting off their resumes as we speak?
Have heard from a reliable source quoting 300k for a captain at minres.
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