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Old 30th Mar 2024, 04:02
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Originally Posted by AviatoR21
And around and around it goes. You don’t want them to get their bonuses and they don’t want to pay you anymore. Sad reality aviation is in this country.
They f..king brought it upon themselves. They are the ones who treat their staff with absolute disdain and hatred, they are the ones who destroyed this industry. Not me or any other pilot. Every pilot entered this industry with rose tinted glasses and shiny jet syndrome. What the f..k does it say about the state of the industry when newcomers dont even give a f..k about a new jet anymore??? This is solely on management. They caused it and they can reap the benefits or their own sheer greed and arrogance. The fact of the matter is you could run airline without these management pigs, yet they wont be running **** without pilots, engineers and flight attendants.
if they dont want militants they know exactly what to do and how to turn it around, and they are not interested. So MILITANCY IT IS!!! Until such time as they f..king wake up, no pilot should change course.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 04:07
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I hope you’re a pilot representative for Network with that sort of disdain for the company.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 04:20
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Originally Posted by AviatoR21
I hope you’re a pilot representative for Network with that sort of disdain for the company.
Confirm? Wouldn’t you want pilot reps to be on the coolaid too?
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 05:17
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​​​​​​Burning excess fuel for the sake of it is unprofessional and just wasteful. You want to be paid more but happy to burn fuel which is the highest cost for an airline.
All you’re doing is helping some manager meet their KPIs. F#ck em, let ‘em know just how much our everyday decisions affect the bottom line.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 05:19
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
They f..king brought it upon themselves. They are the ones who treat their staff with absolute disdain and hatred, they are the ones who destroyed this industry. Not me or any other pilot. Every pilot entered this industry with rose tinted glasses and shiny jet syndrome. What the f..k does it say about the state of the industry when newcomers dont even give a f..k about a new jet anymore??? This is solely on management. They caused it and they can reap the benefits or their own sheer greed and arrogance. The fact of the matter is you could run airline without these management pigs, yet they wont be running **** without pilots, engineers and flight attendants.
if they dont want militants they know exactly what to do and how to turn it around, and they are not interested. So MILITANCY IT IS!!! Until such time as they f..king wake up, no pilot should change course.
I agree with the comment about pilots and engineers. It take a decade or 2 to be an expert. Not so much for cabin crew, easily replaced and quickly…just like a manager
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 05:35
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I agree with the comment about pilots and engineers. It take a decade or 2 to be an expert. Not so much for cabin crew, easily replaced and quickly…just like a manager
It might only take 6 weeks or so to train up a cabin crew and they can do the job but it takes experience and smarts to deal with difficult passengers and real emergencies. Experienced, senior cabin not only save money but sell the product .
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 05:59
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It might only take 6 weeks or so to train up a cabin crew and they can do the job but it takes experience and smarts to deal with difficult passengers and real emergencies. Experienced, senior cabin not only save money but sell the product .
I agree. It does take 6 weeks to train up cabin crew and I get very nervous when the CS has been in the company 3 months and the 3 FA even less.

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Old 30th Mar 2024, 06:16
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Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
I agree with the comment about pilots and engineers. It take a decade or 2 to be an expert. Not so much for cabin crew, easily replaced and quickly…just like a manager
Respectfully disagree- partially anyway. We used to get cabin crew who were former teachers, cops, paramedics, etc. For them working the cabin was a peace of piss and they added immense value to the operation. For most people fresh out of high school lots of training and time on the job is required until they offer similar value.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 07:14
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Originally Posted by walesregent
Respectfully disagree- partially anyway. We used to get cabin crew who were former teachers, cops, paramedics, etc. For them working the cabin was a peace of piss and they added immense value to the operation. For most people fresh out of high school lots of training and time on the job is required until they offer similar value.
I do accept that. Life experience does help, and having someone new can cause delays and issues onboard. CSM with experience does keep the show on the road
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 07:51
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Originally Posted by walesregent
Respectfully disagree- partially anyway. We used to get cabin crew who were former teachers, cops, paramedics, etc. For them working the cabin was a peace of piss and they added immense value to the operation. For most people fresh out of high school lots of training and time on the job is required until they offer similar value.
Tell us about the cabin crew who broke your heart, little man.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 11:01
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Tell us about the cabin crew who broke your heart, little man.
Really? Don’t be that guy.
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Old 30th Mar 2024, 12:17
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Confirm? Wouldn’t you want pilot reps to be on the coolaid too?
It’s funny you can’t see an in between. Either you have disdain for the company or you are drinking the “coolaid”
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 12:27
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Before I am criticised , yes it is only part of the article but to me how long can Qantas keep up the facade of 9% for 5 years or 1.8% per annum when average agreements are running at plus 4% per annum and the public service at over 5%.
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 20:13
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They will try to keep it up until they have to skulk hang-dog to the board explaining why they are unable to implement the boards chosen strategy due to a lack of trained and engaged crew. At some stage the board will give direction to the CEO to ‘fix that problem’. My fear is that even with significant wage increases they will be behind the drag curve on training and recruitment and it will take a decade to power over the hump while market share is obliterated. All it would take for Qantas to fall apart internationally is a big operator ( EK, Etihad, Qatar, The new Saudi one, Delta, American, etc) to open a couple of bases down under. Melbourne and Sydney or Perth. Thats a big risk to have sitting in someone else’s hands.
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 22:48
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They will try to keep it up until they have to skulk hang-dog to the board explaining why they are unable to implement the boards chosen strategy due to a lack of trained and engaged crew. At some stage the board will give direction to the CEO to ‘fix that problem’. My fear is that even with significant wage increases they will be behind the drag curve on training and recruitment and it will take a decade to power over the hump while market share is obliterated. All it would take for Qantas to fall apart internationally is a big operator ( EK, Etihad, Qatar, The new Saudi one, Delta, American, etc) to open a couple of bases down under. Melbourne and Sydney or Perth. Thats a big risk to have sitting in someone else’s hands.
And… as I keep saying China hasn’t started yet. Reverse bases $$$$$, times will be interesting.
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 23:46
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Funny how all the obvious management goons on here disappear when voting is closed/nothing happening.
how’s it going Nathan Safe?
LOL
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 00:06
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Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
Funny how all the obvious management goons on here disappear when voting is closed/nothing happening.
how’s it going Nathan Safe?
LOL
I’m not too sure if it’s current but I have just today seen a photo posted by someone purporting to be him babysitting a bottle of Grange in the first class lounge. I would go MIA if I had a “bottle in front-a-me” 😉
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 00:47
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Originally Posted by Soseg
Tell us about the cabin crew who broke your heart, little man.
That was pretty low, Soseg.
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 02:09
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Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
any updates?

Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
Funny how all the obvious management goons on here disappear when voting is closed/nothing happening.
how’s it going Nathan Safe?
LOL
Funny how you are the one keeping this thread going through quiet times? A bit bored are we?
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 02:12
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Tell us about the cabin crew who broke your heart, little man.
haha we've all been there. Never again
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