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Only one cohort would prefer the pilots cease talking about them. The transfer of ideas during this so called negotiation has been very bad for Qantas management and it’s about time. We should be talking!
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I hear the wine is good if you take it on the other side though.
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So a genuine question?
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
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So a genuine question?
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
The sooner everyone associated with the ‘group’ realises that AIPA isn’t what it used to be, the better. AFAP have no skin in the game, they don’t want management jobs or have mates in current management, they’re totally independent. Like many others have said, one union to represent pilots would be ideal and that sadly shouldn’t include AIPA anymore, AIPA have lost their way.
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For the moment, I agree with dr dre. What has the AFAP PIA achieved? Serious question.
I really hope the Network guys get something good out of this, but I’m unsure all the love for the AFAP is deserved. It seems it just cost people money. You would have ended up in the FWC anyway.
NS is a creep. Karma will get him.
I really hope the Network guys get something good out of this, but I’m unsure all the love for the AFAP is deserved. It seems it just cost people money. You would have ended up in the FWC anyway.
NS is a creep. Karma will get him.
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For the moment, I agree with dr dre. What has the AFAP PIA achieved? Serious question.
I really hope the Network guys get something good out of this, but I’m unsure all the love for the AFAP is deserved. It seems it just cost people money. You would have ended up in the FWC anyway.
NS is a creep. Karma will get him.
I really hope the Network guys get something good out of this, but I’m unsure all the love for the AFAP is deserved. It seems it just cost people money. You would have ended up in the FWC anyway.
NS is a creep. Karma will get him.
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The sooner everyone associated with the ‘group’ realises that AIPA isn’t what it used to be, the better. AFAP have no skin in the game, they don’t want management jobs or have mates in current management, they’re totally independent. Like many others have said, one union to represent pilots would be ideal and that sadly shouldn’t include AIPA anymore, AIPA have lost their way.
The AFAP represents 98% of Sunstate
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So a genuine question?
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
What happens if the FWC signs off on what the pilots believe to be sub par result- example being say 200k for a skipper and 150ish for an FO (very ballpark) salaries. The cohort arcs up and is still not happy, Alliance over in Perth can only take so many newcomers. So a lot of the Network people will be staying on disgruntled and unhappy right? And yes, its a fact that MOST Perth people don't like leaving Perth!
Its hard to go and have a sit-down chat with Fairwork to explain that when doing Pilbara runs that there are mining moron's (dumb dumb's/ drillers, labourers) and girls that do nothing more than clean a room and do camp stuff for 180k with nil prior investment into education or experience? Pilots on the other hand have considerable resources invested into themselves and by the company, stress of checks each year where by one's job is essentially on the line with Sim's and line checks and also some very fatiguing roster pairings.
Do I think that is fair- Nope.
So what happens if the FWC is also somehow linked to Qantas, say with perhaps some individuals on that committee having significant shareholding (50-150k or there abouts) or memberships at the prestigeous Chairmans Lounge sipping Claret with the likes of Penny Wong, Albo and his boy? Is this something that is vetted for a fair outcome?
I really want this to be a massive win for the Network workers as it sets an enormous precedence for the rest of the sector/ industry, but I think that there will be many sinister ploys at play here to restrict what the outcome will be. I think what Network/ Qantas management did with basically waiting out the workforce with nil pay on PIA on there behalf was well played- unconscionable- but a strong move (we all have bills to pay). It's like Ants against a kid with a magnifying glass, when he's bitten a few times he just crushes (or drowns) the ants and moves on.
Either way, at 200k most Network captains would be better off as FO’s at other operators, so they would leave for this. More days off, same pay.
After PIA never again can ANY manager say the pilots are happy. The sentiment is clear now and can’t be denied. Does this translate to more pay? Not sure but I’m happy to sacrifice a small amount of cash to make my position clear. Every single office type needs to wake the **** up and realise if the status quo is maintained with regards to crew engagement things will continue to get worse.
A doctors certificate for every sick day… pft! No problem sir. Just for that I’ll be sure to use em all!
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