Network EBA

[LivingtheDream46]

The number of FO's telling me they have interviews at Virgin & video interviews at Emirates would suggest many are not waiting for a FWA result.

[nomess]

The culture is cooked and the you will see permanent hiring at the joint, for eternity. Regardless the result, the toxicity resulting from all this will linger for a long long time.

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Very likely but please keep toxicity off this thread so we can keep it running

[Zeta_Reticuli]

Originally Posted by LivingtheDream46

The number of FO's telling me they have interviews at Virgin & video interviews at Emirates would suggest many are not waiting for a FWA result.

Network Aviation is an hour building airline for the ME3 and US E3s... I doubt many will hang around for the mainline carrot.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli

Network Aviation is an hour building airline for the ME3 and US E3s... I doubt many will hang around for the mainline carrot.

sorry, but mainline is no longer a carrot. Stuck as an SO or shorthaul FO for 10+ years.
that’s not a career or job to support a decent life anymore.
even as a captain you’re earning less than an accountant, lawyer, doctor, manager etc.
time for rectification of years of going backwards.
even the bogan tradie is probably doing better.

[romeocharlie]

[QUOTE=Gas Chamber;11619645 even the bogan tradie is probably doing better.[/QUOTE]

Multiple articles of late to back this up. Scaffolders clearing $3k fortnight. Not exactly easy on the body though...

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer

An "ineluctable finding" that the AFAP could not persuade pilot members at a Qantas subsidiary to vote up a new deal supported by the union has helped convince the FWC that it should make an intractable bargaining declaration sought by the airline.

Going off that one sentence alone (it would be good to read the whole paywalled article) does that not suggest the FWC sees the dispute as not between the union and the company, but the union and it’s members? Therefore they would likely approve the final proposal that was agreed upon by the union and the company?

It is difficult to imagine how the FWC would give the pilot group a substantial boost to pay or conditions beyond the proposal their own union agreed to.

[Roller Merlin]

Even Nobel laureate economists have realised their traditional approach no longer works.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103582032

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Going off that one sentence alone (it would be good to read the whole paywalled article) does that not suggest the FWC sees the dispute as not between the union and the company, but the union and it’s members? Therefore they would likely approve the final proposal that was agreed upon by the union and the company?

It is difficult to imagine how the FWC would give the pilot group a substantial boost to pay or conditions beyond the proposal their own union agreed to.

I wasn’t aware that it was the job of the unions to ‘sell’ an agreement to the pilots by pushing what the reps want. If it was, there would be no need for a vote of the pilots themselves. If the union gave an assurance to the company that the vote would get up, the union has some explaining to do.

[dragon man]

An interesting rumour told to me today is Qantas is running well behind its profit forecast and are starting to cut costs which might explain why they are hell bent on not negotiating with Network pilots.

[dejapoo]

Originally Posted by dragon man

An interesting rumour told to me today is Qantas is running well behind its profit forecast and are starting to cut costs which might explain why they are hell bent on not negotiating with Network pilots.

Storm must be coming.... ebs and flows.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by dragon man

An interesting rumour told to me today is Qantas is running well behind its profit forecast and are starting to cut costs which might explain why they are hell bent on not negotiating with Network pilots.

But the share buyback, management bonuses and other wasteful initiatives are still necessary?

‘A mistake on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine’

[Big Silver Spoon]

There’s a point where an ancient fleet and an angry workforce will catch up with them. Right about now.

[Beer Baron]

Originally Posted by dragon man

An interesting rumour told to me today is Qantas is running well behind its profit forecast and are starting to cut costs which might explain why they are hell bent on not negotiating with Network pilots.

What was Qantas’ profit forecast? Did they issue one?

[soseg]

Originally Posted by Charlie Foxtrot India

Very likely but please keep toxicity off this thread so we can keep it running

Why? I thought this was the pessimistic pilot rumour network for a reason

[sunnySA]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

What was Qantas’ profit forecast? Did they issue one?

Nope, but this announcement might be relevant.
QQ

[dejapoo]

Originally Posted by sunnySA

Nope, but this announcement might be relevant.
QQ

Their depths of vile behaviour knows no bounds.

6 months to a jet command there apparently, even those with zip jet experience...

No white hats but. Budget cuts or words that sound similar.

[hillbillybob]

Originally Posted by dejapoo

Their depths of vile behaviour knows no bounds.

6 months to a jet command there apparently, even those with zip jet experience...

No white hats but. Budget cuts or words that sound similar.

yep. Ex turbo skippers penciled in for commands before even checked to line

[Going Nowhere]

Originally Posted by hillbillybob

yep. Ex turbo skippers penciled in for commands before even checked to line

Also ex Turbo F/O’s.

[walesregent]

Originally Posted by dragon man

An interesting rumour told to me today is Qantas is running well behind its profit forecast and are starting to cut costs which might explain why they are hell bent on not negotiating with Network pilots.

Happens if you can’t crew flights I guess