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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 06:21
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Hand delivered letters to Pilot homes today, "sign the new EBA or you will have back pay cancelled and pay other various penalties & "other options."
I actually find that hard to believe. Can anyone confirm that the CP was turning up at peoples homes? Very hard to believe.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 06:24
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That sort of thing, Fairwork finding out about it would trigger all sorts of action. Not even the most stupid of stupid people would do it.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 07:13
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Originally Posted by toouterspace
Park the jets team.
Hell yeh! What he said. Do It!
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 07:41
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If true, once again the bullying and intimidation that would land you in the lockup if you did that to someone in the streets is ok in the corporate world. Tell em to get f**ked and pull the full extent of the approved PIA.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 08:03
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If true, imagine what Joe Aston will do with it!
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 08:10
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NJS have never (well no more than others) had problems recruiting in their 35+ years why would you think they’ll have problems now?
Hahaha, what planet are you on buddy? NJS, the same company that can barely hold onto the pilots they’ve got, let alone recruit more?

Qantas Pilots have lost that battle champ. AIPA even spat the dummy and made Qantas change the paint job from ‘QANTAS’ back to ‘QANTASLINK’.
I look forward to seeing you eat your humble pie when the time comes that mainline pilots are flying them on mainline conditions. Champ.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 09:11
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Send it to Joe Aston and Robyn Ironside. They make their contact details readily available on the platforms they write.

If a CP rocks up on my property putting letters or anything threatening in my letterbox, well I’d be calling the police. Forward the Police case number onto legal and communications.

CP needs to be sacked. I really hope that is not true above.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 09:55
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Originally Posted by framer
I actually find that hard to believe. Can anyone confirm that the CP was turning up at peoples homes? Very hard to believe.
It's True to the extent that I've seen a copy of the letter sent over from the West.

AFAIK it was not the CP delivering but rumoured to be a ramp worker on overtime or something of that sort...Apparently letters have been arriving throughout the day as this individual, or batch of them, did the rounds.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 10:52
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delivering threatening letters to pilots homes. Telling them if they don’t endorse the rubbish EA proposal the company will file for Intractable Bargaining.
​​​​​​​So it’s not the CP, is it ‘in good faith’ from a legal perspective?
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 13:39
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Originally Posted by framer
I actually find that hard to believe. Can anyone confirm that the CP was turning up at peoples homes? Very hard to believe.
I never said the CP hand delivered them only that they were hand delivered. 100% they were, I have seen the two page letter, signed by the CP. It says you had better agree to the proposed EBA or we will financially / also fine other ways to penalise you. It's straight up intimidation and shows very poor judgement. It's on Network letterhead / not Qantas. QF have added intimidation and threats to their own staff in their own homes, not cool QANTAS, NOT COOL AT ALL, THESE GUYS ARE ALREADY UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE !
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 13:48
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Originally Posted by HongKongflu
I never said the CP hand delivered them only that they were hand delivered. 100% they were, I have seen the two page letter, signed by the CP. It says you had better agree to the proposed EBA or we will financially / also fine other ways to penalise you. It's straight up intimidation and shows very poor judgement. It's on Network letterhead / not Qantas. QF have added intimidation and threats to their own staff in their own homes, not cool QANTAS, NOT COOL AT ALL, THESE GUYS ARE ALREADY UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE !
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This reminds me of something …….
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 21:14
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It’s all cool HongKong, just building a picture of what actually happened and someone other than you posted
Just heard the Chief Pilot at Network hand delivering threatening letters to pilots homes.
so I wanted to make sure that wasn’t the case, I wanted to see what else in the story was bollocks.
​​​​​​​Can someone post the letter?
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 00:15
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This reminds me of something …….
Sounds like we are in the late 80's.........
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 00:31
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No problem, I just want to make sure the story is straight. The facts are important. I have the letter but as a mainline employee, I don't want to be sacked under the social media policy for posting it. Whilst Network are a "group airline" they only get treated as such when it is advantageous to the company, for now they are getting intimidated, have a terrible pay scale, rostering rules and protections. I'm concerned because if QF keep allowing this, they will be coming for the Domestic / mainline guys next.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 01:42
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Originally Posted by HongKongflu
It says you had better agree to the proposed EBA or we will financially / also fine other ways to penalise you. It's straight up intimidation and shows very poor judgement. It's on Network letterhead / not Qantas. QF have added intimidation and threats to their own staff in their own homes, not cool QANTAS, NOT COOL AT ALL, THESE GUYS ARE ALREADY UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE !
When you file for and have PIA approved, you are loading a gun and cocking it. There may be consequences. It’s all part of industrial relations. It is naive to think that the Company will react in the way the workforce intends. I would be surprised if management haven’t already thought through a strategy to stem the effect of PIA. There are many legal ways of making your life difficult to exert the necessary pressure to force the pilots’ hands, which is exactly what PIA is. Docking pay for work not done, is one of them. Delivering a letter so that everyone is informed of what the Company intends doing if you persist with PIA may appear intimidating but it’s likely straight out of the industrial relations playbook. (Caveat - we have not seen the contents of the letter) Please do not crumble at the first sign of adversity.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 02:00
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As if any threat to Network pilots has any real credibility.

What, are they going to go out in the current global pilot market and find A320 pilots willing to work for less than the current pilots??

Good Fkn luck with that.

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Old 24th Sep 2023, 02:12
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
When you file for and have PIA approved, you are loading a gun and cocking it. There may be consequences. It’s all part of industrial relations. It is naive to think that the Company will react in the way the workforce intends. I would be surprised if management haven’t already thought through a strategy to stem the effect of PIA. There are many legal ways of making your life difficult to exert the necessary pressure to force the pilots’ hands, which is exactly what PIA is. Docking pay for work not done, is one of them. Delivering a letter so that everyone is informed of what the Company intends doing if you persist with PIA may appear intimidating but it’s likely straight out of the industrial relations playbook. (Caveat - we have not seen the contents of the letter) Please do not crumble at the first sign of adversity.
If you’re flying a plane on behalf of the company you will be paid.

You will still be paid if you fly a full approach (add an hold for good luck) and waste as much fuel as possible flying at lower levels. Full bicky takeoffs, don’t work day offs or extend, refusal of all MELs ect. A smart union will put forward smart industrial action that provides pain to the company and ensures you will still be paid.

Im not sure if this letter is real but if it is the person who wrote it should be named and shamed - how embarrassing for them.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 02:20
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If I'm not mistaken the only time you won't be paid is if the protected industrial action involves a withdrawal of labour (what people loosly mean by going on strike).

The problem with the withdrawal of labour is that you don't get paid, and it requries notice so the company can plan accordingly.
Industrial action such as not working days off, not accepting MELs etc as far more effective as it has to be managed in real time instead.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 04:08
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In 89 i got a writ from Sir Peter Ables stil have it as a keepsake .
as mensiond above withdrawl of cooperation is the way to go
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Cathay did a similar thing a few years ago, new contract in your letter box, it became know as the "take it or leave" offer. Many left, many put up with it for a while & then left, few remain, none are happy.
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