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Old 24th Sep 2023, 10:32
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Originally Posted by stevieboy330
Cathay did a similar thing a few years ago, new contract in your letter box, it became know as the "take it or leave" offer. Many left, many put up with it for a while & then left, few remain, none are happy.
Swire are a law unto themselves, but here in australia Qantas is…..oh forget I brought it up 🤐
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 11:00
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“Deeply concerned Tony” has been stooging around QF so I am sure some Swire notes were put in a few pigeon holes
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 21:19
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QF Group Pilot leverage has never been stronger.

VH is on the apology trail, off the back of illegal sackings they will be desperate to prove the culture has changed. With a $2.47B profit banked, they can’t cry poor.

Pilots are leaving for greener pastures left, right and centre.

Meanwhile fleet growth continues.

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Old 25th Sep 2023, 05:51
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I actually find that hard to believe. Can anyone confirm that the CP was turning up at peoples homes? Very hard to believe.
not the CP, but contractors in high vis with no company name on them, driving all white vans and plain cars, handing out blank white envelopes with the letter inside. Some delivery drivers were seen taking photos of them placing the letter in the envelopes… just wow.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 06:14
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I hope Joe Aston finds a copy of this letter in his inbox.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 06:16
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Somebody organised for an important piece of correspondence to be hand delivered to the intended recipient? Have to say: I'm not seeing anything unusual in that.

As to the substance of the corro...

Here's some good advice from my dearly-departed Mum: Never give an ultimatum in a relationship. At that point it's doomed.

Those who "take it" rather than "leave it" - don't say you weren't warned.

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Old 25th Sep 2023, 09:19
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Can’t you Network pilots just all jump ship and get a job elsewhere your contract is a ridiculous joke to every other pilot in the country, it is pathetic, you guys literally are the ultimate laughing stock, just leave there’s no point trying to fight when you prostituted yourselves for basically GA conditions. Without a doubt your spines will collapse, leopards never change spots, begin without a spine you will never grow a spine.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 09:56
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Can’t you Network pilots just all jump ship and get a job elsewhere your contract is a ridiculous joke to every other pilot in the country, it is pathetic, you guys literally are the ultimate laughing stock, just leave there’s no point trying to fight when you prostituted yourselves for basically GA conditions. Without a doubt your spines will collapse, leopards never change spots, begin without a spine you will never grow a spine.
Where do you expect them to go? Skippers, Paul Lyons? Most people are at Network because they want to live in Perth. People aren’t going to pull their kids out of school and move away from their friends and family.

They have an ideal opportunity to improve terms and conditions right now and I expect they’ll shortly be paid more then the Qantas Group Pilots who’ll be flying the sparkly new Qantas (QantasLink) jet plane.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 09:57
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Don’t worry about AofA, he must have been feeling pretty rotten inside when he wrote that last post. I hope he feels better soon ( I genuinely do).
I haven’t come across one colleague who isn’t fully supportive of your current IR efforts let alone one who is laughing at you.
Good luck over the coming months.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 10:07
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Originally Posted by framer
Don’t worry about AofA, he must have been feeling pretty rotten inside when he wrote that last post. I hope he feels better soon ( I genuinely do).
I haven’t come across one colleague who isn’t fully supportive of your current IR efforts let alone one who is laughing at you.
Good luck over the coming months.
Agreed. They’re trying to improve pay and conditions and then you’ve got knobs like AofA coming along and belittling them. Not on.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 10:31
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
Can’t you Network pilots just all jump ship and get a job elsewhere your contract is a ridiculous joke to every other pilot in the country, it is pathetic, you guys literally are the ultimate laughing stock, just leave there’s no point trying to fight when you prostituted yourselves for basically GA conditions. Without a doubt your spines will collapse, leopards never change spots, begin without a spine you will never grow a spine.
have another beer bro
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 10:36
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EB will try to find a way to whiteant and discredit pilots for as long as he is involved in aviation. He never really made it and his track record of jobs proves that
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 11:10
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I resubmit my post from April to remind the lads what they are up against:

"This is how it worked in the wild west a few decades ago. The pilot group can

be catagorised in about 4 groups.

1. Professional conpetent crew who know their job and pass checks and will do what is right for the pilot group.
2. Crew (nominally 2-3 Captains) who are marginal at the job, scrape through sims and are **** scared to stand up industrially as their job hangs by the next sim. They fly during protected industrial action to garnish favour with the company, lap up the extra crumbs and diminish the effectiveness of industrial action.
3. With no firm seniority system the first officers seeking promotion don't wish to be seen to be militant (read- stand up to their rights) as they fear being by-passed for a command position.
4. A mix of the above who have rarely and in some cases never crewed an aircraft outside of Western Australia (flat earthers..) who crap themselves at the thought of moving interstate for another gig.

By example other group entities are paying a minimum of $2,000 to front up to work on a day off to crew or pax on a positioning flight. To consider doing this for a few hundred $$$ is obscene.

I am thankfully retired now but witnessed all the above involving individuals
who are now at the company in question. You have a huge advantage of having the troops in one crewroom in one base. And yet solidarity is still illusive. Ask yourself where you and your fellow pilots stand and wonder if they will stand with you or you will stand with them when the going gets tough.

Goid luck. You will need it all"

If a letter in your mail box rattles you ain't seen nothing yet. Stick together and communicate with each other (expect a #2 type from the above list to leak the contents to management.) Your NET pay is between 5,000 and $10,000 per month LESS than a similar position within the Qantas group and less than your pax that scrub dunnies on the Goodwyn Alpha oil rig.
Fold in the current environment and you are destined to an underwhelming future.

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Old 25th Sep 2023, 13:11
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I’m always amazed by the number of grubs in Australian Aviation, especially the self entitled, egotistical Qantas flogs. When will you clowns wake up and support pilots as a group rather than yourselves and your fellow spawned maggots. I commend Network pilots, many whom I know and respect as much more qualified and professional
pilots than QF. They are taking the fight to an incompetent management team and fighting for what they deserve. I’m waiting for the day when it’s your turn to defend the wrath and hope everyone around you treat you the same as you treat others.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 13:32
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I wouldn’t go that far AL, there’s quite a few of us at mainline who are in support of the Network guys.

Unfortunately there’s just a few flogs who can’t see that they’re fighting a battle with the wrong people.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by morno
I wouldn’t go that far AL, there’s quite a few of us at mainline who are in support of the Network guys.

Unfortunately there’s just a few flogs who can’t see that they’re fighting a battle with the wrong people.
yes Morno you are right and I apologise to the non-flogs. It’s sad to see pilots against pilots, especially those working for the same greedy machine. The Network folk are making a stance and need everyone’s support.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 13:59
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I'm QF mainline, long enough to have been there the day Ansett closed its doors. I can tell you, pretty much everyone I work with is in support of you guys at Network. You are getting treated like Sh!t & all but a few sad dickheads at mainline want to see you get a much better deal & keep doing what you do to contribute to the group, best of luck & well done standing up to be counted ! To all my learned colleagues out there, it's time to take the high road, this kind of stuff matters for all professional airline Pilots.
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 05:21
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Solid effort on the numbers!!!
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 05:37
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Solid effort on the numbers!!!
Why not enlighten the rest of us…
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 05:44
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Why not enlighten the rest of us…
I heard 91% for the Eastern one from a few people that are there, not sure about Sunnies and Network though.
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