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Old 19th Dec 2023, 18:39
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No I absolutely do not think itís acceptable. People are free to make their own decisions within the laws. Anyone who canít respect that freedom without the need to vilify someone just because itís not the decision they would have made, is just a turd on society.

Keep the fight for a fair EBA going, but donít dare vilify or attack anyone. It just makes you look stupid and divided.
Just because itís legal, doesnít make it the right thing to do. Thereís are thing called values and principles. If someone makes a poor (selfish) but legal choice that affects others negatively, whilst I respect that they have that freedom, I donít respect that individual.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 18:42
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Out of curiosity is the overtime threshold of 59 hours a month really an "overtime threshold" or is it a "minimum guarantee hours" per month?

Regardless of the definition, if the hourly rate offered for each hour worked beyond the threshold is $154/hr (as per post #1101) that seems to be insultingly low.

Having a look at Qantas Short Haul EBA8 it states their minimum guarantee hours per 28 day bid period is 53.4 hours and they are paid an hourly rate above that of their annual salary divided by 696 (which approximately equals 13 x 53.4). This hourly rate isn't higher than their standard hourly rate if they consistently fly 53.4 hours per month. For a 4 year captain at short haul the hourly rate appears to be $352.50/hr.

Based on the info provided in post #1101 using the same method used to calculate the QF short haul rate but with a MGH of 59 hours (767 hours p.a. based on 13 bid periods) the rate should be at least $331/hr for a 10 year NAA A320 captain.

I apologise if I have misinterpreted any information that I have used here from the QF SH EBA8 or the offer that had been put forward to the NAA pilot group.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 19:00
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Originally Posted by morno
No I absolutely do not think itís acceptable. People are free to make their own decisions within the laws. Anyone who canít respect that freedom without the need to vilify someone just because itís not the decision they would have made, is just a turd on society.

Keep the fight for a fair EBA going, but donít dare vilify or attack anyone. It just makes you look stupid and divided.
I really canít get my head around the fact that you think itís acceptable to undermine your colleagues by working on an RDO while they participate in industrial action. Possibly one of the most egomaniacal things Iíve witnessed in this industry.

Since when did we decide as a society that legality is the only consideration when it comes to making a decision if something is right or wrong. Get out of your little box.

No one is being attacked, and we have every right to express an opinion on the matter. (Albeit some more tactful than others)

You know what makes us look ďstupidĒ and ďdividedĒ when participating in PIAÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ.
yea, possibly not, you clearly arenít capable of thinking in someone elseís shoes.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 19:36
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I really canít get my head around the fact that you think itís acceptable to undermine your colleagues by working on an RDO while they participate in industrial action. Possibly one of the most egomaniacal things Iíve witnessed in this industry.

Since when did we decide as a society that legality is the only consideration when it comes to making a decision if something is right or wrong. Get out of your little box.

No one is being attacked, and we have every right to express an opinion on the matter. (Albeit some more tactful than others)

You know what makes us look ďstupidĒ and ďdividedĒ when participating in PIAÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ.
yea, possibly not, you clearly arenít capable of thinking in someone elseís shoes.
Re-read what I wrote dopey. I said I donít agree with the idea of working on a day off while others are doing PIA. If you canít understand the rest, then thereís little point trying to explain it.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 19:50
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Originally Posted by morno
Re-read what I wrote dopey. I said I donít agree with the idea of working on a day off while others are doing PIA. If you canít understand the rest, then thereís little point trying to explain it.
donít attack mornoÖjust read what you wrote and read what was written to you
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 20:19
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So attack them hey? Attack them for breaking absolutely no laws, for not engaging in PIA (because they arenít permitted to), and attack them so that you just look like a bunch of fools to everyone else?
The concept of so-called union reps actively undermining PIA, which they were very aware they were doing, and passing it off as ĎI had to, I had no choiceí is whatís being called out here. There is a huge difference between refusing to act unlawfully and aiding and abetting the company, and for reps to be the perpetrators needs to be made freely available to the pilots. Once again, if you donít want to be questioned, donít be a rep.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 21:55
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What has re-hashing the past got to do with the EA on the table? What’s done is done. From what I can tell, up to a quarter of the AFAP membership voted the last offer up (46% YES ~ 80% AFAP membership as posted on this thread)

I’d be speaking AFAP and with the guys who think the last offer was good enough

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Old 19th Dec 2023, 23:48
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Why waste so much effort arguing, itís over! They will vote yes and crumble. The fear has set in and Qantas has wonÖ.remember it went from 91-54% no vote for NOTHING. They literally need to convince 3 people to get it over the line.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 01:48
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I just saw an add for Network A320 FO.

700 hrs total time.

Desperation.

Vote no you clowns.
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add to that a 2.5 billion dollar profit
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cut the 10 year captain salary and pass it to the poor fo's/ reduce the check and training bonuses. Certain AIPA reps are to busy about what 4wd or boat they are going to spend their loyalty bonuses on then their poor colleagues it's disgusting
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 03:58
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
The concept of so-called union reps actively undermining PIA, which they were very aware they were doing, and passing it off as ĎI had to, I had no choiceí is whatís being called out here. There is a huge difference between refusing to act unlawfully and aiding and abetting the company, and for reps to be the perpetrators needs to be made freely available to the pilots. Once again, if you donít want to be questioned, donít be a rep.
So they should have acted illegally and opened themselves to possible legal action to keep you happy?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 04:03
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1234fly, there is nothing like a touch of the left-wing ideological thought process to add to the process.

What's disgusting is the slurs and allegations that Grubbs like you resort to when afforded the cloak of anonymity by this forum. Why don't you make these claims in the public domain, where you can't hide like a coward?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 04:29
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Originally Posted by YeahNup
1234fly, there is nothing like a touch of the left-wing ideological thought process to add to the process.

What's disgusting is the slurs and allegations that Grubbs like you resort to when afforded the cloak of anonymity by this forum. Why don't you make these claims in the public domain, where you can't hide like a coward?
left wing ideology or fairness? You sound like one of the 10 year network koolaid drinkers that has their eyes on the bonuses at the cost of any decency in an EBA.

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Network is recruiting hard for FO's, half don't even turn up for their interview, those that do have less than 1000hrs, some have NO TWIN time, no 2 crew time, many fail the assessment in the sim. Several Captains are already slated for mainline next year, with interviews open for internals again. Several have Middle East interviews in Jan and the Network fleet is expanding with more 319's coming and a replacement for the F100 is looming fast. WA is booming and the mining sector has a huge appetite for more flights. The pilot shortage is here now, not "coming" IT"S HERE !! and you guys are about to rollover on a **** deal right when the busiest time of the year is about to launch. There has never been a better time to say "hey we want some roster protections, proper DTA, decent accomodation and a pay scale that is better than just the award". Don't cave now guys you are holding all the cards - stand up & be counted. Keep it professional and stick together.
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Network is recruiting hard for FO's, half don't even turn up for their interview, those that do have less than 1000hrs, some have NO TWIN time, no 2 crew time, many fail the assessment in the sim. Several Captains are already slated for mainline next year, with interviews open for internals again. Several have Middle East interviews in Jan and the Network fleet is expanding with more 319's coming and a replacement for the F100 is looming fast. WA is booming and the mining sector has a huge appetite for more flights. The pilot shortage is here now, not "coming" IT"S HERE !! and you guys are about to rollover on a **** deal right when the busiest time of the year is about to launch. There has never been a better time to say "hey we want some roster protections, proper DTA, decent accomodation and a pay scale that is better than just the award". Don't cave now guys you are holding all the cards - stand up & be counted. Keep it professional and stick together.
couldn't agree more! ^to many selfish people like YeahNup who want an extra 2inch lift on the 4wd
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cut the 10 year captain salary and pass it to the poor fo's/ reduce the check and training bonuses.
We should apply that thinking on a grander scale I reckon. Letís find all the experienced workers in the nation and somehow transfer their wealth to others who havenít got the same level of wealth or experience so that it is Ďfairí. This could be big, canít believe nobodyís ever tried it beforeÖÖ.hang on, Iíve just asked my 13 year old what she thinks and she can only see positive outcomes for everyone. Very excited.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 10:19
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left wing ideology or fairness? You sound like one of the 10 year network koolaid drinkers that has their eyes on the bonuses at the cost of any decency in an EBA.
So you're suggesting that the crew who have been at NAA for ten years or more (and there are a lot of them), who have been doing the hard yards and earning their keep and incremental increases, should just take a pay cut to fund others who have been there for 5 minutes and who joined knowing full well the pay and conditions?

Happy days and hallelujah, you've just come up with the solution to a 100% YES vote. Someone certainly has been drinking the koolaide - but I don't think it's me.
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couldn't agree more! ^to many selfish people like YeahNup who want an extra 2inch lift on the 4wd
Wrong again, smart guy - I don't own a four-wheel drive and never have. But hey, it seems that all you have is insults and hysterical hyperbole. What else you got?
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Originally Posted by soseg
I just saw an add for Network A320 FO.

700 hrs total time.

Desperation.

Vote no you clowns.
Out of curiosity, do you have a link?
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