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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:41
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
No. They wonít, well at least not in Australia. They donít even let the arriving flights intermingle in Sydney at the moment (and I presume elsewhere also). All the flights are kept separated from each other. Even individuals on the same flight are kept distanced from each other in the arrival halls. Crew who have operated domestically and arrive at an Sydney international terminal arenít even going inside the terminal and are being picked up at the bottom of the aerobridge and transferred to domestic.

So I reckon Australia will have this issue well under control.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
There are more people with COVID in NZ than Australia as a percentage of population but donít let the facts influence your prejudice.
It was a statement without prejudice.

Fortress NZ has never been a better idea since the days of no airplanes and people arrived on ships.

We didn't have anywhere near the number of whining Australians then either.

How can you tell when a flight from Australia has arrived? The whining doesn't stop when the engines are shut down
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post

How can you tell when a flight from Australia has arrived? The whining doesn't stop when the engines are shut down
Lol. How do you know youíre interacting with a Kiwi? Because of the enormous chip on their shoulder towards Australia! Itís a national inferiority complex. It was embarrassing 35 years ago when I lived in NZ for a time, itís still embarrassing. Seriously, get help.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 22:19
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Lol. How do you know youíre interacting with a Kiwi? Because of the enormous chip on their shoulder towards Australia! Itís a national inferiority complex. It was embarrassing 35 years ago when I lived in NZ for a time, itís still embarrassing. Seriously, get help.
Yeah - nah..

It because we have become very superior to Australians.

We won't even deport Australian lawbreakers!
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
Yeah - nah..

It because we have become very superior to Australians.

We won't even deport Australian lawbreakers!
Well, they'll go home on their own anyway when they can't find anything worth stealing or ................ (expletive deleted).
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 00:35
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.
Our MSM has been saying that Air NZ and the airports want at least two, preferably three weeks notice of a free-for-all travel bubble with Australia. Probably Air NZ want to sort out some minor unimportant details like rostering crews & running them through simulator checks, pulling aircraft out of semi-mothballs status and so on. In the case of the airports, pulling down hoardings, cleaning and re-stocking the shops - which may not be easy the way the supply chains are at the moment - and giving the shop operators time to re-hire or replace staff they laid off months ago.
The Leader of the Opposition is, of course saying we should reopen this afternoon, or at latest tomorrow
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 05:46
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EUREKA !!
Monday, April 19th, is ' De Day' according to Jacinda.....
(Australian Aviation' News Alert!!)

Let 'The Invasion' begin......
Cheers

p.s. "We will fight them on the beaches........."
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 08:49
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A bit off topic, but what has happened to Section 28? Griffoís style makes me think heís S28 in cameo. I miss the almost daily assaults on the Queenís English that S28 offered.
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Lazyload View Post
A bit off topic, but what has happened to Section 28? Griffoís style makes me think heís S28 in cameo. I miss the almost daily assaults on the Queenís English that S28 offered.
Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde?
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 14:01
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In the case of the airports,
It's more about figuring out how to physically divide terminals in two. Bubble flights in one side, all the rest in the other, and never the twain shall meet. What exactly is required to accomplish and maintain this is still being decided by government.
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 14:28
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Wouldnt it easiest to operate bubble flights out of the domestic terminals ? Realistically only airports which need separation are SYD/MEL/BNE/AKL (Maybe PER if they join). (I know HBA / ADL / CBR operate a few internationals but not many and are single terminal anyway)
Considering neither AU or NZ domestic flights require international security standards, why bother for bubble. Just have a few passport readers and limited bio-security, shouldnt be a huge issue for trans tasman.

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Old 6th Apr 2021, 20:59
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I remember around the time Kevin Rudd was Prime Minister they were relatively advanced in discussions about doing just this. I would have thought technology advances (Smartgate pods etc) would make this even more feasible now. But might be a bit hard to implement in such short notice...
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 21:38
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As New Zealand flights are classified International, will Qantas as previously stated, require every International passenger to be vaccinated?
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Boe787 View Post
As New Zealand flights are classified International, will Qantas as previously stated, require every International passenger to be vaccinated?
No.... well at least not yet. Perhaps in 12 months they may.
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
No.... well at least not yet. Perhaps in 12 months they may.
After both countries have completed their vaccination programs, it is possible that each will require proof of vaccination before allowing all non-citizens entry.
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Old 6th Apr 2021, 22:18
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And yet the WHO is still clinging to their position discouraging vaccine proof for travel. They cite a hand-wringing concern over the UN's claimed right of freedom of movement, despite this never being a real right enjoyed by real people. The WHO had one job in a pandemic at which they failed miserably, and now they compound their ineptitude.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...07-p57h0d.html
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 01:36
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Considering neither AU or NZ domestic flights require international security standards, why bother for bubble.
Flights between AU and NZ are treated exactly the same as any other international flight, although the visa requirements are different. Same security, immigration, and bio processing. What they are wanting is a return to the pre-COVID process for the bubble (ie the former business as usual), and still have the much more invasive, resource intensive processing for everyone else. I don't think the plan is to rewrite the book to allow for trans-tasman flights, because as more countries get added to the bubble, you just want the process to expand, not have to be adapted again and again depending on which country it is.
Most airports looked at doing International from Domestic terminals when foreign (and AUS) lockouts decimated the flight numbers, but cost and intransigence from the govt. agencies knocked that on the head. Domestic has recovered to pretty much make that unworkable at most ports now anyway.


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Old 7th Apr 2021, 02:24
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Alan Joyce was pushing for NZ flights to become domestic to reduce airfares a while ago.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 03:44
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Alan Joyce was pushing for NZ flights to become domestic to reduce airfares a while ago.
He wanted to reduce his costs not costs to the punters.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 04:09
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Whatever Alan is ever pushing on any given day its only ever related to the balance sheet. Not Health or Customer pockets.
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