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Old 8th Apr 2021, 22:17
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From the TGA website, Pfizer appears to be no better option than Astra Zeneca if you compare the data. With Pfizer you're more likely to have Anaphylaxis, cardiac event or a bleeding disorder. I will take my chances with the 6 in 1 million chance of the blood clot taking Astra Zeneca.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covi...ort-07-04-2021
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 23:57
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Once again we’ve lost any context of risk. You have a greater probability of dying whilst driving to get an AZ vaccine than any risk of death from a blood clot. We’re becoming a country of risk averse nannies. How the hell do people even get out of bed in the morning without fear of death is beyond comprehension. Nanaustralia.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 00:18
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Then there is this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a....html#comments

and this. I sure as hell hope we and the rest of the world have closed off all flights from Brazil.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ise-world.html

and what happens when we get that mutation that renders the current vaccines ineffective... seeing as we are witnessing how difficult it is to roll out a vaccine in the numbers required. We would need to repeat the process for a new vaccine, after it has been modified. And what is the percentage degradation in effectiveness governments are prepared to accept. A new mutation makes current vaccines 25% less effective. Is that ok. 35%, 50%..

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:39
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20 million more Pfizer jabs secured, for delivery............. at the end of the year

How’s that supposed to work for those who live away from a major city where they can be administered? Are the government going to be flying every person under the age of 50 to the nearest capital city to be vaccinated?
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:47
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I mean we had ordered 20 million doses, and so far received 1 million. Without domestic production there is no way we can control delivery, if anything supply will become even more controlled this year.

I dont think the storage will be a huge issue, the temperature isnt that low
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:50
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Originally Posted by morno
20 million more Pfizer jabs secured, for delivery............. at the end of the year

How’s that supposed to work for those who live away from a major city where they can be administered? Are the government going to be flying every person under the age of 50 to the nearest capital city to be vaccinated?
Not quite - in Q4.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 05:06
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I mean we had ordered 20 million doses, and so far received 1 million. Without domestic production there is no way we can control delivery, if anything supply will become even more controlled this year.

I dont think the storage will be a huge issue, the temperature isnt that low

there have been numerous cases of the AstraZeneca vaccine being thrown out due to spoilage from being temperature compromised. Seems Linfox have a lot to answer for. The Pfizer vaccine has potential for disaster from a logistics perspective.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 05:11
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Originally Posted by Troo believer
Once again we’ve lost any context of risk. You have a greater probability of dying whilst driving to get an AZ vaccine than any risk of death from a blood clot. We’re becoming a country of risk averse nannies. How the hell do people even get out of bed in the morning without fear of death is beyond comprehension. Nanaustralia.
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50’s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 05:41
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Originally Posted by Qwark
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50’s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
That's true only right now while the borders are effectively closed. The P1 variant in Brazil is killing more people under 50, and eventually it will be seen everywhere, as all the variants do.

There is no way the government will allow the borders to open again until a large (75%?) part of the population has been vaccinated. Bummer for anyone in this industry.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 06:28
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SHVC, I wouldn’t chance any of these vaccines. Better odds for survival without them!
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 06:42
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
There is no way the government will allow the borders to open again until a large (75%?) part of the population has been vaccinated. Bummer for anyone in this industry.
Not true.

Idea already being touted about ensuring “the most at risk” are vaccinated - ie those certain age demographics / with pre existing conditions. Once those are vaccinated, country will be ok to open as there should be very little risk of death amongst the remaining population.

Glad to see we are finally moving away from a zero risk approach.

Those saying this hiccup will push the borders opening up 6-12 months back will be pleasantly surprised.

Stay positive! There’s an awful lot of gleeful negativity on here..
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Qwark
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50’s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
Not really. The IFR in the UK for the age group 15-44 before the vaccine was 0.03%. To date, 6.7 million under 50’s in the UK have had the first AZ jab and there have been 11 under 50’s blood clot deaths possibly linked to the vaccine or 0.00016418%.

So if you are under 50, you are 182 times more likely to die if get COVID than you are from blood clot from the vaccine.

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 08:54
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So if you are under 50, you are 182 times more likely to die if get COVID than you are from blood clot from the vaccine.
...and if covid was running rampant in this country you’d have a point. But it’s not, so people are looking at choosing between two vaccines, not between a vaccine and covid.

Yes, yes, people are dumb and don’t understand maths, but the damage is done. AZ is damaged goods.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:14
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...and if covid was running rampant in this country you’d have a point. But it’s not, so people are looking at choosing between two vaccines, not between a vaccine and covid.

Yes, yes, people are dumb and don’t understand maths, but the damage is done. AZ is damaged goods.
can’t help thinking at least some of that damage was deliberately done by the EU for political reasons. Of which there are potentially many.

seems a huge over reaction though. Also the adverse reactions from the other vaccines seems to not receive any mention.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 10:17
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I'd have thought those who have been poo poo-ing the death rate of COVID and bellyaching to open up the economy due to the economic impacts would be pushing for all to take the AZ vaccine ASAP with its known 200,000 times less death rate than getting COVID and get the borders open and our industry running again....
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 10:30
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I'd have thought those who have been poo poo-ing the death rate of COVID and bellyaching to open up the economy due to the economic impacts would be pushing for all to take the AZ vaccine ASAP with its known 200,000 times less death rate than getting COVID and get the borders open and our industry running again....
I know someone in 1a, hes medical proffessional was supposed to get jab this morning. They refused as hes under 50. He even offered to a write a stat dec as well as the medical consent saying he understood the risks. No dice he having to wait till xxxxxxx, hes not even sure if he allowed to work anymore as he works in aged care
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 10:49
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Not true.

Idea already being touted about ensuring “the most at risk” are vaccinated - ie those certain age demographics / with pre existing conditions. Once those are vaccinated, country will be ok to open as there should be very little risk of death amongst the remaining population.

Glad to see we are finally moving away from a zero risk approach.

Those saying this hiccup will push the borders opening up 6-12 months back will be pleasantly surprised.

Stay positive! There’s an awful lot of gleeful negativity on here..
Nicely put. Yes some take delight in watching others struggle. Walking back the risk rhetoric is going to take time. The media can’t get enough bad news at the moment now that Trump has gone. They’re in need of another news bite to keep the masses dialled in. ABC news has gone down hill big time. Just another source peddling drama, death and tragedy.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 14:22
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ABC news has gone down hill big time. Just another source peddling drama, death and tragedy.
It got somewhat monotonous today on local ABC.
6am till 8am presenter banging on about how we are doomed.
AM at 8am same.
9am til 10 am same. Repeat of the interviews broadcast between 6 and 8am
Midday til 12:30pm same.

Don't know if logical thinking and digesting what the Feds actually released was even considered by the presenters.
I guess it was the emotional side of the presenters showing rather than the analytical side.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 15:43
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Originally Posted by 601
It got somewhat monotonous today on local ABC.
6am till 8am presenter banging on about how we are doomed.
AM at 8am same.
9am til 10 am same. Repeat of the interviews broadcast between 6 and 8am
Midday til 12:30pm same.

Don't know if logical thinking and digesting what the Feds actually released was even considered by the presenters.
I guess it was the emotional side of the presenters showing rather than the analytical side.
Our taxes at work. The ABC is a joke.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 23:34
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Originally Posted by rattman
I know someone in 1a, hes medical proffessional was supposed to get jab this morning. They refused as hes under 50. He even offered to a write a stat dec as well as the medical consent saying he understood the risks. No dice he having to wait till xxxxxxx, hes not even sure if he allowed to work anymore as he works in aged care
He'll be okay in regards to his job. It isn't compulsory. My partner is an aged carer and she and three quarters of the carers at the particular home declined the vaccine last month. They'll need flu vax however like last year.
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