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Old 4th Dec 2020, 22:53
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The ADF aren't a normal employer, you sign away everything when you join up.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 22:56
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The ADF aren't a normal employer, you sign away everything when you join up.
The military is where they take away your rights and reintroduce them as privileges.
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You would probably want the quarantine facilities near airports than can accept widebodies for direct international services. Less need for connecting internal flights. I'm thinking Curtin, Scherger, Alice Springs, quite a few of the FIFO ports (if any can be temporarily spared for quarantine use), Woomera, Rockhampton. Christmas Island could be an option although it could be a bit tight for some widebodies.

Far more can be done, it's just that no one wants to. More interested in arguing with each other and playing the blame game.
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If the major city hotels weren't being used for Hotel Quarantine, they'd be empty, all their staff on the dole, no GST being paid by the hotel company or their employed staff.
On the contra side, the government would have to pay for setting up / maintaining, staffing and guarding these quarantine facilities in the remote areas.
That's why "no one wants to" do this.
$$$$$$$$$

BTW, we've had the same suggestions in NZ from opposition MPs "build a big new quarantine centre at RNZAF Base Ohakea".
I suspect that someone explained the financial facts of life, they've gone all quiet on it.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 00:19
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Yeah, nah. I won't be getting it, and neither will the kidlets.

I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer, I'm all for standard vaccinations and the entire family is as up to date as we can be, but, both the KRviatrix and I have concerns about the speed with which these vaccines have progressed from development, through testing to distribution. I get that part of it is because there are so many companies etc collaborating on development & testing, but I'll wait a bit longer until I roll up the sleeves. History is littered with examples of "It was a good idea at the time..."
Itís not 1950, itís 2020. I donít think the speed makes one iota of difference.

There is risk with all vaccines, yet Iím guessing that you have had all those.

Iíll do whatever I have to do to get the world back to normal.
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And if your employer has a no jab no work policy? What then?
Even if it is not a requirement of your employer it may well be a requirement of various other countries on your airline's network.
As was the case with a couple of countries not permitting crew over 65, it may see some pilots having to move to a domestic fleet if they aren't prepared to be vaccinated.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 04:07
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Yeah, nah. I won't be getting it, and neither will the kidlets.
I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer ....but, both the KRviatrix and I have concerns about the speed with which these vaccines have progressed from development, through testing to distribution.
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I’m not injecting my kids with a vaccine that isn’t required. Covid19 will burn out on its own accord
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I had it about 2 months ago. Woke up with a sore throat for 4 days. Bit of a cough at night. Cup of tea in the morning and I was good to go. I couldn't believe that was the reason I went from flying a plane to delivering pizzas
Damn, didn't realise we had so many medical professionals posting here. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to go to university and study science when we have geniuses here who can say with authority they know more than the "so called experts".

And people wonder why the virus is tearing through a lot of other nations.......

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Old 5th Dec 2020, 04:21
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Itís not 1950, itís 2020. I donít think the speed makes one iota of difference.

There is risk with all vaccines, yet Iím guessing that you have had all those.
you might want to look at how many vaccines have gone wrong since 1950. Medical science still screws up routinely.

When the head of Pfizer admits they are not even sure if you can still transmit the virus when vaccinated and "it needs to be looked into more" - for the sake of a virus that will burn out by itself, and has negligible consequence on people with a normal, healthy metabolic system,
yeah, I think i'll pass. Just the same as I don't bother getting a flu vaccine because i'm not in any risk category that would warrant bothering.

As expected, vaccines that are used to combat serious disease / risk of being life altering or death are being conflated with this Corona virus vaccine.

Iíll do whatever I have to do to get the world back to normal.
That's also kinda the problem summed up in one sentence - the world, our economies and that thin veil of what we thought were our freedoms has been absolutely trashed and taken advantage of by Government and corporations by this very attitude.




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Old 5th Dec 2020, 04:41
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The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.

Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.

That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.

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Old 5th Dec 2020, 05:00
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Ohh FFS

Better turn off all your EGPWS alerts and TCAS systems as well. Theyíre preventing you from dieing just like a vaccine.

God there are some paranoid people on here.

And the virus will die out will it? Thatís why countries are into their 3rd and 4th waves and the US has just recorded some massive increase in the case rate.
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.

Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.

That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
So youíd rather go through the pain and suffering of getting these diseases and the painful aftermath?

Ask someone who had polio as a kid if they would have liked a vaccine.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 05:03
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Damn, didn't realise we had so many medical professionals posting here. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to go to university and study science when we have geniuses here who can say with authority they know more than the "so called experts"...
Ha ha- says you!

I believe the famous dr dre wrote this yesterday...
Vaccines get the bodies immune system ready to fight off the infection the second it hits the body, instead of unvaccinated infection which allows the virus to get a foothold over several days before the bodies immune system creates antibodies to fight it off. So whilst the virus may technically infect the body, the sickness is less severe or non existent. Less severe or non existent symptoms means less likelihood of virus spread in the community
My apologies if you are actually a real medical doctor who found his/her way on to regularly posting on a pilots forum...

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Old 5th Dec 2020, 05:41
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Ha ha- says you!
I believe the famous dr dre wrote this yesterday...
My apologies if you are actually a real medical doctor who found his/her way on to regularly posting on a pilots forum...
Nope. here's the difference.
I'm posting a paraphrased version of what 99% of medical experts (all minus the quacks) know. I sourced it from a World Health Organisation document here:
How do vaccines work?
Those who say they know more than the "so called experts" were saying Covid is going to die naturally, is not a problem as their symptoms were mild, and thought they knew more about vaccine approval than the specialists. These are not positions supported by the overwhelming bulk of medical experts.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 05:53
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And Dr Dre, 99% of what governments are doing is not backed by scientific evidence either. While they donít look at the excess mortality, impact of masks and lockdowns etc they expect people to listen to them when they say, you must have a vaccine.

There has never been a requirement for a vaccine for a corona virus before and new technologies have been used to try and create one now in record time.

Nothing makes sense anymore but I think each individual has a right to choose, to look at the evidence and make their own mind up, not follow the scaremongers and sign their rights away even more.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 06:00
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So youíd rather go through the pain and suffering of getting these diseases and the painful aftermath?

Ask someone who had polio as a kid if they would have liked a vaccine.
No their wouldn't be any pain or suffering in the first place because your immune system would counteract the bacteria.

Polio was and still is a disease invented by man by poor sanitory and poor water quality. Hence your bad bacteria has well and
truly defeated your good bacteria. That's why you get sick.

Poliomyelitis, commonly shortened to polio, is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus.[1] In about 0.5 percent of cases, it moves from the gut to affect the central nervous system and there is muscle weaknessresulting in a flaccid Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.[1][3

Thank's wikipedia and note the word gut.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 06:32
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And Dr Dre, 99% of what governments are doing is not backed by scientific evidence either.
Although thereís indifvidual state differences I think most scientists, experts and the governments would agree (some more begrudgingly than others) that masks work, lockdowns help reduce spread and vaccines will be safe and distributed ASAP amongst the masses. Who are you to say what is behind the stopping of the spread is not backed by scientific evidence?
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Although thereís indifvidual state differences I think most scientists, experts and the governments would agree (some more begrudgingly than others) that masks work, lockdowns help reduce spread and vaccines will be safe and distributed ASAP amongst the masses. Who are you to say what is behind the stopping of the spread is not backed by scientific evidence?
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Ahh, Ivor Cummins, the Chemical engineer turned Diet and health food book swindler whoís now decided, with no public health qualifications or experience, that he knows far more than the ďso called expertsĒ.

I canít be bothered to a sit through an hour of conspiracies from someone who is not remotely qualified to talk about the subject matter. I think he, you and a whole lot of others posting here need to read this, as it explains one of the biggest problems with modern society:

The problem with thinking you know more than the experts
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Data is fact, you can draw your own conclusions, everything else is opinions, including yours, no better than the millions of others out there.
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Data is fact, you can draw your own conclusions, everything else is opinions, including yours, no better than the millions of others out there.
Absolute nonsense.

My interpretation of that data has the exact same weight as your interpretation, Ivor Cumminsí interpretation and anyone who does not have sufficient qualification in public health or epidemiologyís interpretation.

Zero.

So next time you break a bone before the Doctor has a chance to look at the x-ray snatch it out of his hand and tell him his mere ďopinionĒ on it has the same weight as the receptionist or the practice cleaner. Or your own.

It doesnít matter how persuasive or confident charlatans like Ivor Cummins are. If heís not influencing opinions of the ones who matter (public health experts and epidemiologists) then his words are nothing more than PR designed for clicks and YouTube views to attract gullible types to his brand to buy his Keto Diet books.

The country that was going for a herd immunity approach (Sweden) failed and have now changed course to what the rest of the world is doing.

FFS how did society become so f*cking stupid......

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UK commentary as to what works does not really apply to the Australian experience.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc
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