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The only thing this has made me realise is that most numpty’s in this country have no idea about statistics and probability. Maybe Mathematics should be emphasised more in the curriculum? Basically what the media have been crapping on about in the last 2 days is exactly the same as a person standing under a tree in a storm and whinging they got struck by lightning. It’s pretty much the same probability.
If a country removes all restrictions on distancing, masks and testing, the unvaccinated cohort, if subsequently infected, will suffer the same proportional fate that we see now: about 2% die, about 30% have some long tern ill effects, and some fraction of those have a disability. The same bleak outlook that informed our response a year ago remains in play, although with a reduced rate of infection.
I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.
I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.
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I agree that the incidence of blood clots in general after the Oxford-AZ jab seems to mirror what you'd expect in the same unvaccinated population over the same time, but the rare kind of clotting event, the CVST, seems to be over represented in the data.
The risk is still minuscule compared to the virus, less than shark attacks for surfers/divers, about the same as lightning strike deaths. Much less chance of dying than winning a lottery.
As far as herd immunity goes: even the sober scientists at the CDC suggest that more than 70% of the population has to be vaccinated for herd immunity to begin in the USA. Same for Europe. Here, where even a single case triggers panic, you have to expect that total elimination is the only way we can ever again enjoy a robust aviation industry free from the snap lock-downs. That means, by extension, that we are going to need an almost total vaccination uptake. Since that isn’t going to happen without serious coercion, I wonder if the government has mapped out a strategy to force vaccinations regardless of whatever superstitions people harbour?
Since the Premiers want a zero-risk Covid response, the only way to avoid more lockdowns is a zero-risk population, which means a 100% immunity program. Otherwise, we are going to be closed to retail international travel forever. Unless of course the various governments re-educate the public about the balance of risks and accept say a flu-like mortality rate.
Anecdotally I have had my AZ jab, and have detected no &
$(6z$$d covfefe.
On edit: Ahhh! I smell toast!
The risk is still minuscule compared to the virus, less than shark attacks for surfers/divers, about the same as lightning strike deaths. Much less chance of dying than winning a lottery.
As far as herd immunity goes: even the sober scientists at the CDC suggest that more than 70% of the population has to be vaccinated for herd immunity to begin in the USA. Same for Europe. Here, where even a single case triggers panic, you have to expect that total elimination is the only way we can ever again enjoy a robust aviation industry free from the snap lock-downs. That means, by extension, that we are going to need an almost total vaccination uptake. Since that isn’t going to happen without serious coercion, I wonder if the government has mapped out a strategy to force vaccinations regardless of whatever superstitions people harbour?
Since the Premiers want a zero-risk Covid response, the only way to avoid more lockdowns is a zero-risk population, which means a 100% immunity program. Otherwise, we are going to be closed to retail international travel forever. Unless of course the various governments re-educate the public about the balance of risks and accept say a flu-like mortality rate.
Anecdotally I have had my AZ jab, and have detected no &
$(6z$$d covfefe.On edit: Ahhh! I smell toast!
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
If a country removes all restrictions on distancing, masks and testing, the unvaccinated cohort, if subsequently infected, will suffer the same proportional fate that we see now: about 2% die, about 30% have some long tern ill effects, and some fraction of those have a disability. The same bleak outlook that informed our response a year ago remains in play, although with a reduced rate of infection.
I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.
I have a few problems with people choosing not to immunised.:They will all eventually burden the health care system to one degree or another. Some will eventually burden the long term care system. Some (after the inevitable sporadic infections) will prevent reliable freedom of movement across borders because of the predictable political response. There will be the attendant economic losses in the travel and hospitality industries that will go unpunished. The subset of the population that is unvaccinated will become a political constituency that may shape policy to the detriment of the greater good. The degree of herd immunity we will accept must must must reflect the degree of vaccine uptake that the will demand of our neighbours. If we as a nation demand a 100% covid safe life then we must demand of each other a 100% immunity. Same as polio, same as small pox. The cost may end up being ten lives lost. The individual risks remain tiny, and should be discussed that way. Few people seem able (or schooled) to perceive risk or chance accurately.
You bring up a very valid point. This is the burden of a population pre vaccination rollout.
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Simple. Deny the jab and lose Medicare benefits for COVID related illness plus, financial liability if you cause infection to others. Money is a great motivator.
Ridiculous, the government can't force vaccinations. Unless you would like Australia to model itself on China? We're already a nanny state before this whole COVID business. Gee Australian's have become real apathetic pussies.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
Ridiculous, the government can't force vaccinations. Unless you would like Australia to model itself on China? We're already a nanny state before this whole COVID business. Gee Australian's have become real apathetic pussies.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
If you're not at risk, why get vaccinated? Look at the demographics where COVID has the most serious effects. Those already close to or exceeding the average life expectancy. Gee if I was living in a nursing home right now (family visiting once a week if I'm lucky, laying in my own **** for hours, surrounded by other old grogan's) I would be licking every light switch hoping to catch the bug to put me out of my misery.
So let's get on with it. Let those who want the vaccine get it and those that don't and accept a level of risk, get back to normal life.
On the subject of nanny states, still booking people for jaywalking?
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Let’s roll out this theory to all aspects of healthcare consumption. I’ll take my COVID liability if oldies and fatties take on age and fat related illness liability.
So...Uhh, those 8,500 deaths and tens of thousands of instances of lung cancer caused by intentional and voluntary tobacco consumption should cough up (pardon the terrible pun), for their own treatment too?
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However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
If you have a condition preventing you from taking the vaccine then I would suggest you are not able to hold a Class 1 medical. Good luck at your next renewal.
Could you gather all your things and go live in a totalitarian / authoritarian ****hole? China or North Korea's available. You'd fit right in at the Uygher "re education" camps where the Government decides what medical procedures you will have
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Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
I imagine most countries, including Australia, requiring a vaccination for entry if you don’t want to pay for lengthy quarantine.
But in order to get a medical exemption from the vaccine, there will be something in your file explaining why you can’t have one i.e. a condition. If you fail to disclose this condition to CASA at your next renewal, you are strictly liable and may have your medical cancelled and then prosecuted.
Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
2. You got an exemption for what? As of now there's no requirement to be vaccinated for anything. And as others have pointed out as soon as CASA finds out you have a medical exemption for a vaccine they'll be interested to know what medical condition you have that is so bad you can't get a vaccine but supposedly still can hold a medical. The only conditions I think prevent you from getting vaccinated are those with severe anaphylaxis or those with significant comprised immune systems, both of which I'm sure will prevent you from holding an aviation medical.
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