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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Sydney was declared a hotspot and tourism came to a standstill from Christmas for a month, lockdown was over early to facilitate the holiday season but the damage was done. Just like the current Queensland situation.
Those of us not on the northern beaches were largely unaffected by the lockdown. That other states were complete numpties and closed their borders to people from communities with no community transmission (like my relatives from Wagga who were trying to get to Brisbane) is not an issue with NSW.

So yes, people on the northern beaches had to change their travel plans. Thatís still better than having the entirety of Sydney having to change their plans such as occurred with the Brisbane lock down.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 09:09
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I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 09:33
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The tennis charters especially had negative tests on departure but positive on arrival. The time between these two tests is still quite a while when factoring in these are ultra long haul missions.

That happened to a International Crew member last week. Negative before signon but arrived here positive.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 10:52
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We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 11:55
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We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine.
What a load of sh**.

What weíve had is someone who had a vaccine also develop a blood clot... and at this stage, no scientifically proven link between the two.

Letís stick to science, rather than hysteria.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 11:56
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered
...until SOMETHING pops up to bring any other vaccine into question.
Won't happen/can't happen? Why did it happen to the AZ vaccine?

One person. Try and learn what the problem was and adapt/improve. One person!

Contrary to some apparrent opinions the sky is not falling.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 13:02
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Can’t you also develop blood clots flying long haul?
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 13:25
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?
Because it may take 10 to 14 days to develop symptoms. That's why they need to quarantine for that long when they arrive Australia, even after a negative test result before departure.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 14:53
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I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?
people getting dodgy (as in counterfeit, not false) proof of a negative test before departing?

already heard that there’s concern over counterfeit vaccination documentation.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 20:34
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Yes there was a problem with dodgy counterfeit certificates in Dubai a couple of months ago. And Iím sure in many other places too. Also, testing around the world is done in different ways, none seem as thorough as Australia. From personal experience, some countries use one nostril jab only, others do the 2 nostril and throat but are way less vigorous (deep) than here, so false negatives are more probable. But the more likely reason is that, as SM says, all a test does is say youíre not positive at the time of the test. The incubation period is at least 10 days in some people may not show a positive between infection date and symptoms (if any)..
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 20:44
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We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered
no we didn’t. We had someone who had the AZ vaccine and had a blood clot.

A pilot friend in mid 40s sadly had a blood clot 2 weeks ago. Perfect health prior. He hadn’t had any COVID vaccine jab, but was joking with the docs how he’d be front page of the paper if he had.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 20:58
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Although it’s interesting that there hasn’t been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 00:39
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Originally Posted by noclue View Post
Canít you also develop blood clots flying long haul?
You can also develop blood clots from taking birth control pills. 0.3 to 1% risk of clots on the pill, which is far, far, far higher than the reported risk of clots from the AZ vaccine which haven't been proven to have a causal link yet. No one panics about young women taking the pill to this extent.

A lot of the cases in Europe happened in young women of reproductive age who could possibly have been on the pill.

30,000 Australians develop blood clots each year. 3% of the public have received a vaccine. Which means on average about 15 Australians who have been vaccinated already should develop a blood clot within a week after being vaccinated.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 03:40
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If you want official data on reaction from both astra and Pfizer vaccines on a large scale, here is the UK data.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...card-reporting
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 04:10
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There are 159 active cases of Covid 19 in Australia. When will we stop calling it a pandemic?

https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...-and-territory
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 04:12
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There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, I’m sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesn’t mean anything.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 06:52
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In 2019 prior to any COVID there were 250 deaths due to influenza in Australia. Was there a need for lockdowns, border closures, or daily briefings from politicians? NO. At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life? Imagine that contact tracing and snap lockdowns were used to manage a flu? It wouldn’t be tolerated yet here we are still being managed to the point of irrelevance by bureaucrats and politicians over this “Pandemic” that doesn’t exist. COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy. The chance of someone becoming severely ill or dying from it will be statistically similar to that of the flu if not less than.

The CDC has just announced that international travellers from the USA, that have been completely vaccinated and waited the minimum time from their last vaccination, are free to travel. Upon return to the USA there is now no longer a requirement to quarantine or self isolate. I wonder how long we will have to wait for similar mature policy to evolve or will we continue to be treated as the diseased, not to be trusted. In the next few weeks most Australian based international crew will have been fully vaccinated. Will Australia treat us the same way as the CDC treat their crew? I think not.

Professor Whitty from the UK gives any disease and societal impositions context.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 07:14
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Originally Posted by cynphil View Post
Although itís interesting that there hasnít been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!
There have been Thrombosis events reported after administering the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ysis_Print.pdf

Alas, that doesn't suit the narrative of those that are reporting the AZ statistics so they conveniently omit those details. It must be made patently clear, at this stage these events are currently mere statistics. There is currently no traceable link that the vaccine's have resulted in the clotting. I'd like to hope that the scientists are furiously investigating whether it is causal or coincidence.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 07:37
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life?
You've answered that question yourself in your own post:

COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard (herd) immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy.
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, Iím sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesnít mean anything.
Doesnít suit the narrative though - this kind of logic will never be allowed!
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