All borders to reopen.
Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. So I pose the question, as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor so that's a relief working in the aviation industry, but for the rest who feel like they may be "forced", I suggest they look into their rights.
2. You got an exemption for what? As of now there's no requirement to be vaccinated for anything. And as others have pointed out as soon as CASA finds out you have a medical exemption for a vaccine they'll be interested to know what medical condition you have that is so bad you can't get a vaccine but supposedly still can hold a medical. The only conditions I think prevent you from getting vaccinated are those with severe anaphylaxis or those with significant comprised immune systems, both of which I'm sure will prevent you from holding an aviation medical.
Last edited by dr dre; 4th Apr 2021 at 10:01.
Might be handy that you’re a pilot, because you know farking nothing about medicine.
1. You get vaccinated not so much to protect you, but to protect the vulnerable around you by having some level of pre-existing antibodies in your system. You don't contract the virus if exposed or if you do contract it the pre-existing antibodies ensure your illness is asymptomatic or very mild which therefore lessens the risk of spread to more vulnerable people, those who can't be vaccinated, those whom the vaccination didn't produce enough antibodies. It's actually imperative that younger people get vaccinated as they are more mobile and more likely to spread the virus.
So a “pragmatic” doctor giving you an exemption for a non-mandatory vaccine which may endanger your aviation medical. Doesn’t sound like a very smart doctor to me.
OR
You’re full of sh*t.
I’m going with the latter.
Reminds me when our airline made masks mandatory for staff (before it become mandatory for pax). There was an uproar from cabin crew and how they would be obtaining exemptions. It was pointed out from our medical officer that if you need an exemption then you’re not suitable for duties on an aircraft. That shut them up quick smart. Now it’s turned to vaccinations and as another poster has pointed out, they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.
OR
You’re full of sh*t.
I’m going with the latter.
Reminds me when our airline made masks mandatory for staff (before it become mandatory for pax). There was an uproar from cabin crew and how they would be obtaining exemptions. It was pointed out from our medical officer that if you need an exemption then you’re not suitable for duties on an aircraft. That shut them up quick smart. Now it’s turned to vaccinations and as another poster has pointed out, they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.
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More serious than polio, really?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html
Paralysis is often permanent, although total or partial recovery can occur through compensation by muscles not affected. Weakness or paralysis present 12 months after onset, which occurs in two-thirds of patients with paralysis, is usually
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
Careful cherry picking data....
From your source in context:Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.
About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:
A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:
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Your sample set is not of the whole population - you have referred to 2-10% of those exhibiting one symptom of "smaller proportion" of 25%.
Polio is also predominantly spread via the focal oral route. You can't usually get it just being in the same room as someone else.
From your source in context:Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.
About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:
- Sore throat
- Fever
- Tiredness
- Nausea
- Headache
- Stomach pain
A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:
- Paresthesia (feeling of pins and needles in the legs)
- Meningitis (infection of the covering of the spinal cord and/or brain) occurs in about 1 out of 25 people with poliovirus infection
- Paralysis (can’t move parts of the body) or weakness in the arms, legs, or both, occurs in about 1 out of 200 people with poliovirus infection
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Your sample set is not of the whole population - you have referred to 2-10% of those exhibiting one symptom of "smaller proportion" of 25%.
Polio is also predominantly spread via the focal oral route. You can't usually get it just being in the same room as someone else.
Nunc est bibendum
Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job.
Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
Nunc est bibendum
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I know that some in the business community are asking whether they can insist on a vaccination and I guess it’s up to them to argue its an inherent requirement of the job. Given that the feds won’t be able to mandate this vaccine for the wider citizenry I’m not sure how they will be able to make the case- particularly if anyone arriving from overseas has already had a vaccine and presumably will have tested negative either prior to departure and/or on arrival.
Given the border measures required of interstate travellers during flare-ups, would it be surprising if states like WA require a vaccination for all visitors? I would certainly expect something like that if there are more community transmission events.
“To whom it may concern, this pilot is exempt from COVID vaccination but in all other respects is in excellent health. Sincerely, Dr Duck.
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Given how good Australia and NZ are doing with the virus having almost eradicated it, which is what ppl want guess. If they fear for their safety now NZ may as well just close up and throw away the key, its time to get on with life.
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
