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Old 4th Apr 2021, 10:00
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
You can’t get an exemption just for being a dick head. Plus the vaccine isn’t mandatory anyway, don’t know what you think you’re getting an “exemption” for.

Might be handy that you’re a pilot, because you know farking nothing about medicine.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 10:03
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1. You get vaccinated not so much to protect you, but to protect the vulnerable around you by having some level of pre-existing antibodies in your system. You don't contract the virus if exposed or if you do contract it the pre-existing antibodies ensure your illness is asymptomatic or very mild which therefore lessens the risk of spread to more vulnerable people, those who can't be vaccinated, those whom the vaccination didn't produce enough antibodies. It's actually imperative that younger people get vaccinated as they are more mobile and more likely to spread the virus.
And also because the virus is most likely to mutate inside an unvaccinated person. It takes time for the immune system to respond and develop the appropriate anti-bodies naturally, giving the virus time to replicate and possibly mutate.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 10:04
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Exemption from the non mandatory vaccine?? Sounds legit
how much you pay for the “exemption”??
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 10:21
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So a “pragmatic” doctor giving you an exemption for a non-mandatory vaccine which may endanger your aviation medical. Doesn’t sound like a very smart doctor to me.

OR

You’re full of sh*t.

I’m going with the latter.

Reminds me when our airline made masks mandatory for staff (before it become mandatory for pax). There was an uproar from cabin crew and how they would be obtaining exemptions. It was pointed out from our medical officer that if you need an exemption then you’re not suitable for duties on an aircraft. That shut them up quick smart. Now it’s turned to vaccinations and as another poster has pointed out, they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 10:29
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Didn’t there used to be a “don’t feed the trolls” sticky on every PPRuNe forum? Something about sciolists IIRC.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 14:55
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. ........
Yes, please do. Don't just assume.
They are different diseases and hard to compare directly, but COVID would appear to be just as serious if not more so than polio.
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 22:41
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More serious than polio, really?
Paralysis is often permanent, although total or partial recovery can occur through compensation by muscles not affected. Weakness or paralysis present 12 months after onset, which occurs in two-thirds of patients with paralysis, is usually

The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html
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Old 4th Apr 2021, 23:44
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Careful cherry picking data....

From your source in context:Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.

About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:
  • Sore throat
  • Fever
  • Tiredness
  • Nausea
  • Headache
  • Stomach pain
These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days, then go away on their own.

A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:
  • Paresthesia (feeling of pins and needles in the legs)
  • Meningitis (infection of the covering of the spinal cord and/or brain) occurs in about 1 out of 25 people with poliovirus infection
  • Paralysis (can’t move parts of the body) or weakness in the arms, legs, or both, occurs in about 1 out of 200 people with poliovirus infection
Paralysis is the most severe symptom associated with polio, because it can lead to permanent disability and death. Between 2 and 10 out of 100 people who have paralysis from poliovirus infection die, because the virus affects the muscles that help them breathe.
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Your sample set is not of the whole population - you have referred to 2-10% of those exhibiting one symptom of "smaller proportion" of 25%.

Polio is also predominantly spread via the focal oral route. You can't usually get it just being in the same room as someone else.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 00:48
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Originally Posted by turbantime

...they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP.
Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job.

Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 02:17
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There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
So you found another nutter anti-vax doctor. The last one pulling that stunt was the Bozo down in Victoria giving bogus exemptions so people didn't have to get their kids vaccinated before kinder. Turns out, he was a quack and had his medical license cancelled permanently.

Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job.

Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time.
Correct, most western nations will deny unvaccinated non-citizens entry so airlines will have no interest in having these people on staff. AJ has already hinted he may look to a domestic ban on unvaccinated people once the rollout is complete at the end of 2021 so QF will be unlikely to be employing any unvaccinated staff in any customer-facing role.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 06:30
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
AJ has already hinted he may look to a domestic ban on unvaccinated people once the rollout is complete at the end of 2021 so QF will be unlikely to be employing any unvaccinated staff in any customer-facing role.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I know that some in the business community are asking whether they can insist on a vaccination and I guess it’s up to them to argue its an inherent requirement of the job. Given that the feds won’t be able to mandate this vaccine for the wider citizenry I’m not sure how they will be able to make the case- particularly if anyone arriving from overseas has already had a vaccine and presumably will have tested negative either prior to departure and/or on arrival.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 07:32
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Given the border measures required of interstate travellers during flare-ups, would it be surprising if states like WA require a vaccination for all visitors? I would certainly expect something like that if there are more community transmission events.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 08:29
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The question is whether they have the authority to do so. I’m not convinced they do.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 08:33
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
...as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
I would expect that level of wilful ignorance from a random punter at the pub on a Friday night, but surely not on a professional forum.

Originally Posted by JJ 789
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor....
Yeah, right.

To whom it may concern, this pilot is exempt from COVID vaccination but in all other respects is in excellent health. Sincerely, Dr Duck.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 09:45
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Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 10:35
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Let’s roll out this theory to all aspects of healthcare consumption. I’ll take my COVID liability if oldies and fatties take on age and fat related illness liability.
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So...Uhh, those 8,500 deaths and tens of thousands of instances of lung cancer caused by intentional and voluntary tobacco consumption should cough up (pardon the terrible pun), for their own treatment too?
God, I hope you two aren't Pilots.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 20:45
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Originally Posted by SHVC
Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.
Which is something, anecdotally anyway, that a large number of New Zealanders do not want, fearing for their own safety.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:12
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Given how good Australia and NZ are doing with the virus having almost eradicated it, which is what ppl want guess. If they fear for their safety now NZ may as well just close up and throw away the key, its time to get on with life.

My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:20
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Which is something, anecdotally anyway, that a large number of New Zealanders do not want, fearing for their own safety.
There are more people with COVID in NZ than Australia as a percentage of population but don’t let the facts influence your prejudice.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 21:41
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Originally Posted by SHVC
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
No. They won’t, well at least not in Australia. They don’t even let the arriving flights intermingle in Sydney at the moment (and I presume elsewhere also). All the flights are kept separated from each other. Even individuals on the same flight are kept distanced from each other in the arrival halls. Crew who have operated domestically and arrive at an Sydney international terminal aren’t even going inside the terminal and are being picked up at the bottom of the aerobridge and transferred to domestic.

So I reckon Australia will have this issue well under control.
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