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Old 26th Jan 2021, 02:52
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My wife tells me that sheíd like to travel to Sydney to see friends. No flippiní way would I risk letting her because we certainly canít afford 2 weeks quarantine if they suddenly close the borders. She agrees.

Thereís what I imagine would be a pretty common conversation in many households in Australia right now.
The worst part is booking a ticket/s and all that goes with a holiday (no refundable pre paid hire car & other) and waiting for that flight to get airborne.

It is not great but not so bad going into 14 days self isolation on return because of a few cases many miles away but in the state you visited.

But I have already booked another domestic interstate flight.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 07:46
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So.... this one does not want an open trans Tasmin bubble but has the hide to call out Aussies for being over reactive.

Coronavirus: Trans-Tasman bubble in trouble, Jacinda Ardern says

New Zealanders have been temporarily barred from quarantine-free travel to Australia following a highly infectious strain of COVID was identified on the North Island. Picture: Brett CostelloAustralia’s reaction to a highly infectious COVID case in New Zealand could dash hopes of a trans-Tasman bubble being established before Easter.

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Tuesday described Australia’s three-day halt to quarantine-free travel by New Zealanders as disappointing, and a potential threat to a trans-Tasman travel arrangement.

Australia had allowed New Zealanders to visit without the need to quarantine since late last year, but the same privilege has not been afforded to Aussies.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. Picture: Getty Images On Monday, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt announced any kiwis arriving in Australia over the next 72-hours would be required to go into hotel quarantine, after a woman tested positive to a highly infectious South African strain of COVID-19 on Saturday.

The woman had been in hotel quarantine in Auckland and only returned a positive test a week after she was released.

Anyone else who had arrived in Australia from New Zealand since January 14 was urged to get tested and self-isolate until a result was returned.

Australia’s response to the case frustrated the travel industry, and Ms Ardern said she had “expressed her disappointment” in a phone call with Scott Morrison on Monday night.

“I conveyed the confidence that we have in our systems but also just acknowledged that if we are to enter into a trans-Tasman bubble we will need to be able to give people confidence that we won’t see closures at the borders that happen with very short notice over incidents that we believe can be well managed domestically,” she said.

Asked if the response was an “over-reaction” to a single COVID case, Ms Ardern said “ultimately it was a decision for Australia”.

“I certainly shared my view (with Mr Morrison) that this was a situation that was well under control, that we have had experiences in New Zealand with these situations in the past, if we’re going to run a trans-Tasman arrangement we need to be able to manage situations like this.”

Ms Ardern said she remained hopeful a trans-Tasman bubble could be established with Australia by the end of March.

“We are continuing to pursue it but what we will need to establish is a way that we can have that arrangement without seeing such disruption over events that may happen from time to time,” she said.

“One of the challenges is not every state (of Australia) has the same approach as New Zealand and that difference does add a level of complication.”

There had been no further cases in New Zealand linked to the woman with the South African strain. Of 16 close contacts identified, 15 had returned negative tests and one test was still pending.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 08:09
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Yup, the rank hypocrisy from the federal government is remarkable. One case in NZ, shut the borders, yet protest against premiers who do the same.

You can't have your cake and eat it Scott, Josh Et al. Either one case is a threat, or it's not. It's the inconsistency that's killing any chance of a recovery in aviation.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 08:11
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The worst part is booking a ticket/s and all that goes with a holiday (no refundable pre paid hire car & other) and waiting for that flight to get airborne.
You've just described Sub-Load travel.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 08:26
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Yup, the rank hypocrisy from the federal government is remarkable. One case in NZ, shut the borders, yet protest against premiers who do the same.
Equally hypocritical are Jacintaís remarks. She complains about Australia closing borders yet she keeps her borders closed to Aus.

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Old 26th Jan 2021, 08:34
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Yes Jacinta..... Sco Mo reacted the same as he did with QLD few weeks ago.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 12:41
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Yup, the rank hypocrisy from the federal government is remarkable. One case in NZ, shut the borders, yet protest against premiers who do the same.
Thanks for that. I thought that it was going to go unremarked.
Where is the hyperbole when it's one of your own.
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Old 26th Jan 2021, 19:33
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Idle chatter. The Doctors are determining the strategies, not the politicians. The strategies and hence restrictions must change at least as fast as the virus does or we go under. We now are dealing with:

1) A British strain that is 70% more infectious.

2) A South African strain that is more infectious and more lethal.

3) An emerging Brazilian strain from Manaus that is apparently more lethal to younger people.

4) Evidence of long term neurological damage in younger people as well as apparently permanent damage to organs.

5) An outbreak in New Zealand of the South African strain that potentially has already crossed the Tasman.

Most of you seem not to understand that the threat from the virus is to do with logistics not lethality (we hope). By that I mean that the virus may not lethal to you personally but it is totally lethal to our health system because we can run out of all medical supplies (materials and people) quite easily and that causes secondary deaths from untreated conditions.

Under these circumstances "opening borders" is not possible as Britain and Europe have found out.

As for local travel, Air travel is absolutely out. You need a car in case you have to make a run for your state border. Then there is the inconvenience; friends kids spent 6+ hours in the queue at YMML on return from Queensland last night.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 01:05
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Equally hypocritical are Jacintaís remarks. She complains about Australia closing borders yet she keeps her borders closed to Aus.
At least you know where you stand with Jacinda and the State Governments. However the Federal Government has done an almighty back flip with regards to what Australians consider a Hotspot.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 01:14
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However the Federal Government has done an almighty back flip with regards to what Australians consider a Hotspot.
How so???????

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Old 27th Jan 2021, 01:24
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Idle chatter. The Doctors are determining the strategies, not the politicians. The strategies and hence restrictions must change at least as fast as the virus does or we go under. We now are dealing with:

1) A British strain that is 70% more infectious.

2) A South African strain that is more infectious and more lethal.

3) An emerging Brazilian strain from Manaus that is apparently more lethal to younger people.

4) Evidence of long term neurological damage in younger people as well as apparently permanent damage to organs.

5) An outbreak in New Zealand of the South African strain that potentially has already crossed the Tasman.

Most of you seem not to understand that the threat from the virus is to do with logistics not lethality (we hope). By that I mean that the virus may not lethal to you personally but it is totally lethal to our health system because we can run out of all medical supplies (materials and people) quite easily and that causes secondary deaths from untreated conditions.

Under these circumstances "opening borders" is not possible as Britain and Europe have found out.

As for local travel, Air travel is absolutely out. You need a car in case you have to make a run for your state border. Then there is the inconvenience; friends kids spent 6+ hours in the queue at YMML on return from Queensland last night.
As I wait to board I can assure you air travel is most definitely not out. One just needs to have contingencies if required. Don’t be so alarmist, travel and tourism industries need people flying to recover.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 02:13
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How so???????
A hotspot defined in the New Zealand/Australia Green Zone travel bubble would be defined as 10 cases in the community per day in urban areas and 3 cases per day in rural areas in either country. This requirement was made by the Australian Federal Government.

NZ hasnít opened a bubble with the whole of Australia because their own requirements is 28 days of no community transmission in Australia. Something that hasnít happened yet.

The Federal Government opened borders to NZ based on the hotspot definition. Then closed the border with one hour notice to NZ for a single case.

NZ is now looking at a travel bubble with states that follow their own elimination strategy. At this stage only Queensland and WA. The NZ, Queensland and WA governments know where they stand. A single case appears anywhere and the borders close.
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A hotspot defined in the New Zealand/Australia Green Zone travel bubble would be defined as 10 cases in the community per day in urban areas and 3 cases per day in rural areas in either country. This requirement was made by the Australian Federal Government.

NZ hasnít opened a bubble with the whole of Australia because their own requirements is 28 days of no community transmission in Australia. Something that hasnít happened yet.

The Federal Government opened borders to NZ based on the hotspot definition. Then closed the border with one hour notice to NZ for a single case.

NZ is now looking at a travel bubble with states that follow their own elimination strategy. At this stage only Queensland and WA. The NZ, Queensland and WA governments know where they stand. A single case appears anywhere and the borders close.
Donít forget the little ole NT accepting Kiwis..... Is that reciprocal? Have any Kiwis actually ventured North? Was a big hit in the media then went quiet, well yes I suppose it is the NT after all.

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Old 27th Jan 2021, 04:17
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In hindsight.
Going back to good old hindsight, right back, if the whole world (The whole planet) did a Victorian style lockdown even tougher i.e.
7.8 billion people stay at home, zero movements in planes/trains/buses/trams/cars/ships, a total shutdown of all industries not for 14 take it to 30 days.
That would make a good movie "The day the earth stood still". Sorry month.

However, the virus would of been suppressed and eliminated as Australia has done in every municipality. If that was done say a year ago, the second half of last
year would be virus free and the world today would be like 2019 covid free. How would this been implemented?
The WHO would of sent an APB to every government/state government. After all its the worlds governments that fund the WHO.
Drastic yes, could LA, NY, London shut down just like Melbourne. Well in hindsight they should have. Extreme short term pain
for long term gain.

Someone really stuffed up in hindsight. Next time a new virus is discovered like this then the WHO must act immediately and I mean immediately, not
ponder and monitor the situation in Wuhan which was about 3 months of procrastination. In hindsight the WHO should of advised
the Wuhan government to place a 30km ring of steal no one goes out, no one comes in. Then the virus would of been
suppressed and eliminated within the 30km radius. I wonder if we will learn from this.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 04:34
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In hindsight the WHO should of advised
the Wuhan government to place a 30km ring of steal no one goes out, no one comes in. Then the virus would of been
suppressed and eliminated within the 30km radius. I wonder if we will learn from this.
The virus was in France in mid December 2019 in a patient with no history of recent international travel. Which is a sign of how quick it can spread and why Australia is quick to stop any outbreaks.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 05:11
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However, the virus would of been suppressed and eliminated as Australia has done in every municipality. If that was done say a year ago, the second half of last
year would be virus free and the world today would be like 2019 covid free.
No No NO.

That is not how it works. The virus would still exist and as soon as there is movement then it spreads. That is the point. It is impractical to expect to eliminate Covid. It is like trying to eliminate influenza, another corona virus, or the common cold. It is virtually impossible. That is why the talk was about "flattening the curve" to protect the health system. Then a few months ago there was a subtle shift to trying to eliminate the virus. Which is crazy talk.

PS. Australia has NOT "eliminated the virus in every municipality".
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 05:13
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
In hindsight.
Going back to good old hindsight, right back, if the whole world (The whole planet) did a Victorian style lockdown even tougher i.e.
7.8 billion people stay at home, zero movements in planes/trains/buses/trams/cars/ships, a total shutdown of all industries not for 14 take it to 30 days.
That would make a good movie "The day the earth stood still". Sorry month.

However, the virus would of been suppressed and eliminated as Australia has done in every municipality. If that was done say a year ago, the second half of last
year would be virus free and the world today would be like 2019 covid free. How would this been implemented?
The WHO would of sent an APB to every government/state government. After all its the worlds governments that fund the WHO.
Drastic yes, could LA, NY, London shut down just like Melbourne. Well in hindsight they should have. Extreme short term pain
for long term gain.

Someone really stuffed up in hindsight. Next time a new virus is discovered like this then the WHO must act immediately and I mean immediately, not
ponder and monitor the situation in Wuhan which was about 3 months of procrastination. In hindsight the WHO should of advised
the Wuhan government to place a 30km ring of steal no one goes out, no one comes in. Then the virus would of been
suppressed and eliminated within the 30km radius. I wonder if we will learn from this.
You really have been on a bender for the last 12 months haven't you.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 05:13
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NZ do not want a bubble with Australia, Australia close to NZ because of this new strain (rightly so they did it with Brisbane) Jacinta has a sook and try to call Australia out. She should be happy that we wont be bothering her for a while about a bubble.

Next more important issue, why is Australia still closed to it self domestically? even the media have given up on borders not even mentioning it.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 06:25
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Why cannot every single state border, open tomorrow? I see no reason why they canít. When you stand back, and look at the current play of events, its nothing but madness.

My employer has stood down staff for the next few weeks. Then when looking at the current numbers, and Iím sick of hearing of all my friends about to sell the home, completely not necessarily, does not need to happen.

Domestic Market should have been thriving next month.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 06:40
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Whether its states, or local government areas or even individual suburbs, generally the policy has been "open when possible, restricted when necessary".

If cases had not escaped international quarantine again and again, we would have been unrestricted months ago.
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