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Old 12th Apr 2021, 08:27
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International travel other than NZ maybe FiJi will not even happen in 2022.

There are side effects with any vaccine and risk accosiated taking them the majority are small proportionate to amount that is administered in a population. AZ like all C-19 vaccines are just under a bigger microscope than others and it seems like C-19 cases the general population and governments in Australia only a zero risk is the only acceptance.

Risk comes with everything we just have to accept it or wrap yourself in Cotten and stay home, actually donít as even your house may fall down.

maybe 2024..Economist Chris Richardson has warned international travel for Australians is likely to remain restrictive until 2024.

The Deloitte Access Economics partner in his quarterly business outlook said he expects international borders will re-open only gradually.

For Australia, there will be some sort of quarantine remaining for incoming travellers for some time.

"That keeps international travel - both inbound and outbound - pretty weak in 2022, and it may not return to pre-pandemic levels until 2024," he said.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 09:12
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AJ seems to be pressing on tho, good hopefully it happens.

Qantas holds firm on international travel plan

Qantas is holding firm on its planned return to regular international services on October 31, despite the Prime Minister’s admission the majority of Australians will not be vaccinated against COVID-19 until 2022.

The airline announced in February international flights would recommence to most of its pre-COVID destinations in late October instead of July, based on the federal government’s vaccination program.

At the time, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said the airline would require passengers on all but domestic and trans-Tasman flights to be vaccinated for their own safety as well as that of crew.

In a statement released late Monday, Qantas said they were “closely monitoring the recent developments in the rollout of vaccines in Australia”.

“The government has not updated its timeline for the effective completion of the vaccine rollout and at this stage there’s no change to the planned restart of our international flights,” said a Qantas spokeswoman.

“We’ll continue to have dialogue with the government.”

It follows the revelation last week there was a small risk of blood clots developing as a result of the AstraZeneca vaccination, prompting a recommendation for people under 50 to discuss the issue with their doctor.

On Friday Scott Morrison announced his government had secured an extra 20 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, but they would not arrive until the last quarter of 2021.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 09:21
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There is nothing stopping them flying if they want to - why October, why not now? Nothing much will change between now and then.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 12:46
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So, the rollout has been delayed. That should give us plenty of time to figure out what we do once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Personally, I think that once we reach that point then borders need to reopen to vaccinated travellers - otherwise whatís the point of getting vaccinated?
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 23:28
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From Melbourne University
https://medicine.unimelb.edu.au/__da...April-2021.pdf


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Old 13th Apr 2021, 05:15
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...ally/100065224

This is from the people who told us, at first, there was nothing to worry about.😷
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 10:13
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Well, at first there was nothing to worry about. Stage 3 clinical trials can only be so big, and a risk that is 1:200,000 at worst isnít likely to appear until after widespread use. Even then, its still a pretty tiny risk for something that could prevent a far worse outcome.

Would you refuse an AZ jab if you lived anywhere but the A-NZ bubble?
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 11:00
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Nope! I’ve had AZ the risk is of blood clots is less than the risk my wife takes taking contraceptive.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
maybe 2024..Economist Chris Richardson has warned international travel for Australians is likely to remain restrictive until 2024.

The Deloitte Access Economics partner in his quarterly business outlook said he expects international borders will re-open only gradually.

For Australia, there will be some sort of quarantine remaining for incoming travellers for some time.

"That keeps international travel - both inbound and outbound - pretty weak in 2022, and it may not return to pre-pandemic levels until 2024," he said.
And the Australian people are putting up with this?
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 12:14
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And the Australian people are putting up with this?
I think at the moment weíre trying to get through this vaccination debacle first.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 14:17
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I think the elephant in the room is most other democracies are ramping up for Quarantine free travel within months, not years. “First in line for vaccines?” Morrison has just showed his true self, a knifer that backstabbed a fellow politician. These idiots face a dramatic fall, not if but when, I think it will be soon. They will be pulled with the rest of the world into opening international travel. The sad fact is we are below the half way mark against all worldwide countries on vaccination rates. “ First in line!” Scotty from marketing is about to see the result of being an incompetent idiot.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 15:47
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I think the elephant in the room is most other democracies are ramping up for Quarantine free travel within months, not years. ďFirst in line for vaccines?Ē Morrison has just showed his true self, a knifer that backstabbed a fellow politician. These idiots face a dramatic fall, not if but when, I think it will be soon. They will be pulled with the rest of the world into opening international travel. The sad fact is we are below the half way mark against all worldwide countries on vaccination rates. ď First in line!Ē Scotty from marketing is about to see the result of being an incompetent idiot.
I think you are dreaming. Election due in the next 12 months ( approx).. you really think they will open the borders and let it rip.. while we live almost Covid free? I donít think so.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 21:45
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I think you are dreaming. Election due in the next 12 months ( approx).. you really think they will open the borders and let it rip.. while we live almost Covid free? I don’t think so.
Every decision will be made with the election in mind.

Can’t call it now because they stuffed up the vaccine rollout.

Can’t leave it to the last minute because that gives the impression that they’re just hanging on hoping things will get better.

Greg Hunt has come out and said that even if we all get the vaccine, that doesn’t mean the borders will open. He is making the case for the poor vaccine rollout: “you still wouldn’t be going anywhere even if we hadn’t stuffed it up, so really our delay is of no consequence.”

Managing expectations - isn’t that what Scotty from Marketing is good at? It will be very interesting to see if the LNP use the “keeping us all safe” line that McGowan used to get back into power.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 23:41
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People are going to vote based on the fact that their relatives in their 70s and 80s havenít died of COVID rather than obsessing over a lack of international travel. Who cares about travel when your destination is locked down anyway.

Most people arenít that keen for the vaccine anyway and donít care itís being delayed.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 23:47
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
I think the elephant in the room is most other democracies are ramping up for Quarantine free travel within months, not years. ďFirst in line for vaccines?Ē Morrison has just showed his true self, a knifer that backstabbed a fellow politician. These idiots face a dramatic fall, not if but when, I think it will be soon. They will be pulled with the rest of the world into opening international travel. The sad fact is we are below the half way mark against all worldwide countries on vaccination rates. ď First in line!Ē Scotty from marketing is about to see the result of being an incompetent idiot.
That is cherry picking at its finest. Most are ramping up for quarantine free travel? Yes, to a handful of places no one wants to travel to anyways. This is at least another 12 - 18 months off until the places people actually want to travel to are all at the same level.

For the UK the places that are soon to be on the green list are Isreal and Gibraltar. Those two sought after summer holiday destinations.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 00:13
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That is cherry picking at its finest. Most are ramping up for quarantine free travel? Yes, to a handful of places no one wants to travel to anyways. This is at least another 12 - 18 months off until the places people actually want to travel to are all at the same level.

For the UK the places that are soon to be on the green list are Isreal and Gibraltar. Those two sought after summer holiday destinations.

this. There have been plenty of warnings recently. Listen to what the experts are saying. This year is written off. 2022 is questionable, limited travel bubbles, we might be at 50% by the end of 2022. The head of retail at Sydney airport has said they donít expect normal travel numbers for at least a couple of years. I posted his comment before. Also posted was Chris Richardson from Deloitte ..

For Australia, some form of quarantine will remain for some incoming travellers for some time," Deloitte partner Chris Richardson wrote.
"That keeps international travel (both inbound and outbound) pretty weak in 2022, and it may not return to pre-pandemic levels until 2024."
Much of Mr Richardson's forecasts rely on the speed of Australia's COVID-19 vaccination rollout, which he predicts to overtake that of the virus mutating.
"Central to the speed of that grind will be the ongoing tug-of-war between mutations and vaccinations," he wrote.
"But we continue to see vaccinations as the more likely winner of that struggle.
"So although some pain will linger Ė particularly as the mutations mean international borders will remain less-than-fully open for longer Ė most of Australia's economy looks on course to be close to pre-pandemic normal by Christmas 2021."
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 00:38
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Deloitte
I asked an umbrella salesman for a weather forecast. He said it was going to rain.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 03:47
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...96ab9e6c2a615a

Donít hold your breath !!
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 04:57
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I asked an umbrella salesman for a weather forecast. He said it was going to rain.
well maybe you can provide a better source then. . And I think Richardson’s credentials are somewhat better than yours on this kind of matter....as is the head of retail at Sydney airport. After all they would be trying to be positive and be optimistic in their forecasts if anything. They have nothing to gain by painting a overly pessimistic picture of the future of international aviation.

Meanwhile the federal health minister says this, as per the link posted in the post above. Got a smart arse response to that.

Australia may not open up its borders even after everyone in the country has been vaccinated against coronavirus in an attempt to sustain its 'Zero Covid' strategy, the country's health minister has revealed.

'Vaccination alone is no guarantee that you can open up,' Greg Hunt said on Tuesday. 'If the whole country were vaccinated, you couldn't just open the borders.'

The health minister cited a range of other relevant factors, including transmissibility and the longevity of vaccine protection.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 05:07
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Itís clear we need to cycle the Vaccine 1.0 this year and lower the cases.

Next year Vaccine 2.0 and continue to push the herd immunity card. Many countries will get there and the trialing of opening up countries to each other will commence.

2023 onwards we can start pulling the walls down across the world.

December 2023 the majority of the world can open up. The hard work has been done.

It will die off throughout the years of 2024/25. Those poverty stricken countries will finally catch up.
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