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Old 9th Apr 2021, 22:35
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Here’s the latest ABC News articles on the AZ rollout decision, for the most part I say their reporting is straightforward, emotionless and rational. Wouldn’t expect anything less.

If you want emotion and fear try the Daily Mail or similar where they randomly CAPITALISE words to evoke a REACTION in their readers.

As far as this decision goes yes it is a setback, but there are some positive points to remember. First off the AZ vaccine is still being administered to the critical group, over 50s. Whether or not over 50s now wish to take AZ is debatable, however I believe a majority will follow the advice of their GP over tabloid media. Most Australians have a lot of respect for the advice given by their trusted GP. The use of Pfizer or Novavax for under 50s will take longer, but they’re not as critical and weren’t going to be eligible for a few months anyway. Although Australia has ordered more Pfizer than originally planned it won’t arrive until later in the year. Will the October goal still be reached? Possibly, but more probably not. It shouldn’t delay the overall timeline by more than a few months I’d imagine.

You can monitor Australia’s administered vaccine doses here (thanks ABC!), there’s some differences in daily reported numbers due to reporting methods of each jurisdiction, so look at the moving average. It has been trending down over the last few days but that would probably be more to the Easter long weekend. If there’s any significant drop off in AZ uptake it’ll be observed in the upcoming weeks.

It’s obvious the Federal government shouldn’t have put all the eggs in the AZ basket and should’ve been more flexible with options. They can’t say they weren’t warned.....

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 22:45
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Agree with the gist of your post except for this:

Originally Posted by dr dre
Here’s the latest ABC News articles on the AZ rollout decision, for the most part I say their reporting is straightforward, emotion less and rational. Wouldn’t expect anything less.
The ABC have gone downhill badly - their reporting is usually terrible with only the occasional report being of “neutral” tone.

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 23:04
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Dr Dre, I used to be very ABC centric in my news consumption but now find it so obviously skewed. If you really think that they are straight down the line can I ask you to consider Dr Norman Swan and his comments....

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6247929006001

Just have a listen to his tone and how wrong he has been.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 23:24
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Oh jeez you’re going to try and convince me the ABC are terrible by bringing up one of the most pompous blowhards in Australian media, Chris Kenny. An ex LNP spin doctor vs a qualified medical professional.

I have my own thoughts about why Chris Kenny and his Sky News mates have a personal vendetta against Norman Swan, but that’s beyond the scope of this thread.

Reality is we’re in a precarious situation with this nation’s vaccine rollout, although there are some hopeful signs any further bungles could see the public confidence wane.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 23:32
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Perhaps you could watch the clip and see how bad Swans predictions have been and watch him totally contradict himself about wearing masks. You know, with an open mind and all that?

Kenny is not claiming to be a medical professional, as you know, he is pointing out Swans bias.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 23:43
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
He'll be okay in regards to his job. It isn't compulsory. My partner is an aged carer and she and three quarters of the carers at the particular home declined the vaccine last month. They'll need flu vax however like last year.
What hope have we got when 75% of aged carers are saying no? And reportedly 50% of hotel quarantine workers.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 00:00
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
What hope have we got when 75% of aged carers are saying no? And reportedly 50% of hotel quarantine workers.
Most aged care workers are well under 50 from my observations.

Maybe they just made a decision about the AZ vaccine before the government did? It didn’t help that aged care workers were supposed to get the Pfizer vaccine en masse as a part of 1a, and then the govt turned around and told them to make their own arrangements with their GP.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 00:13
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
What hope have we got when 75% of aged carers are saying no? And reportedly 50% of hotel quarantine workers.
Don’t despair just yet.

The numbers are a little higher than reported. 2/3rds in WA and that was over a week ago. With these groups getting priority access to Pfizer if under 50 we should be very close to the point that all workers coming in contact with the quarantined will be vaccinated. Or at least the remaining necessary workers will be required to undertake vaccination. I think Victoria is at that point now.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 03:49
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
He'll be okay in regards to his job. It isn't compulsory. My partner is an aged carer and she and three quarters of the carers at the particular home declined the vaccine last month. They'll need flu vax however like last year.
Why do they need the flu vax?
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 03:57
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Why do they need the flu vax?
Because it is a condition of employment at most (if not all) nursing homes.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 04:20
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Because it is a condition of employment at most (if not all) nursing homes.
Thank you. I was being deliberately obtuse.
In that case, why allow them to forego having a Covid shot?
What would they do if it was also made a condition of employment?
I’m quite staggered that 3/4 of them can just say no.

Btw, has anybody got figures on the clotting rate of the flu vaccination? Apologies if posted before - I may have missed them.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 05:04
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What hope have we got when 75% of aged carers are saying no? And reportedly 50% of hotel quarantine workers.
Maybe everyone should have to sign a vaccine refusal document so when we do open up they can't bitch and moan if they get it.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 07:52
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Maybe everyone should have to sign a vaccine refusal document so when we do open up they can't bitch and moan if they get it.
Part of me wants the government to say that they’ll have enough vaccines to have everyone vaccinated by (insert date.... perhaps 1 Feb 22). After that date the international borders are open to those vaccinated. If you’re an Aussie and not Covid vaccinated by then we’re not closing down the economy or any state borders if any locals happen to get Covid from an international arrival.
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The Govt can shove their COVID shots up there ass!
No just Fark NO!!!!
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 11:39
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The Govt can shove their COVID shots up there ass!
No just Fark NO!!!!
Why? I’ve had mine, bit of a headache and some sore muscles, I’m fine.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 20:25
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While blood clots have been recorded from using AZ which is a rare. Blood clotting affect 1 in 1000 women using contraceptive, guess we better ban those as well.

Australia is an embarrassing nanny state.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 21:55
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Amazes me the people crapping on about international borders are concerned about people departing Oz.
The ONLY question has to be about the people inbound and the requirements/protocols the Feds will establish.

By good luck or good management (I'd take the former primarily!) Oz by location has had as good a run than anywhere else in the world and better than most.
Open the international borders and that will change, anyone with half a brain can see this whole CV19 has been two steps forward/one step back, guess your own timeline but I'd say at least another year before there's less "one step back" but your figure will depend on your personality.

And please don't do a dr dre and drag out millions of reports/states - just look at the reality of the vaccine rollout and the number of people who proclaimed "vaccines a-coming, everything will be OK, International borders open in a few months." Really?

Tell me about what will happen, how it will be controlled, on a State and Fed level when the new inbound travellers start CV clusters whether they do so with intent (false papers if vaccine certificates are required) or unintentionally (the one in xxx who tested negative but becomes positive.)





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Old 10th Apr 2021, 22:31
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Originally Posted by SHVC
While blood clots have been recorded from using AZ which is a rare. Blood clotting affect 1 in 1000 women using contraceptive, guess we better ban those as well.

Australia is an embarrassing nanny state.
while it seems an over reaction, Australia is far from being alone in its response to the AZ vaccine. in fact many countries have gone much further. There are also reports of other side effects.


UK reporting site for adverse reactions

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...erse-reactions
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 22:47
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Originally Posted by galdian
Amazes me the people crapping on about international borders are concerned about people departing Oz.
The ONLY question has to be about the people inbound and the requirements/protocols the Feds will establish.

By good luck or good management (I'd take the former primarily!) Oz by location has had as good a run than anywhere else in the world and better than most.
Open the international borders and that will change, anyone with half a brain can see this whole CV19 has been two steps forward/one step back, guess your own timeline but I'd say at least another year before there's less "one step back" but your figure will depend on your personality.

And please don't do a dr dre and drag out millions of reports/states - just look at the reality of the vaccine rollout and the number of people who proclaimed "vaccines a-coming, everything will be OK, International borders open in a few months." Really?

Tell me about what will happen, how it will be controlled, on a State and Fed level when the new inbound travellers start CV clusters whether they do so with intent (false papers if vaccine certificates are required) or unintentionally (the one in xxx who tested negative but becomes positive.)
Don’t forget to add a federal election into the mix. I can’t see them calling an election this year now that the vaccine rollout has been delayed, so that leaves 2022 to get the majority vaccinated and the borders open.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 22:59
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International travel other than NZ maybe FiJi will not even happen in 2022.

There are side effects with any vaccine and risk accosiated taking them the majority are small proportionate to amount that is administered in a population. AZ like all C-19 vaccines are just under a bigger microscope than others and it seems like C-19 cases the general population and governments in Australia only a zero risk is the only acceptance.

Risk comes with everything we just have to accept it or wrap yourself in Cotten and stay home, actually don’t as even your house may fall down.
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