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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 02:06
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The irony of your commentary is that it isn't up to WA to secede, the rest of Australia would have to agree to it via a referendum would they not?
Well, itís complicated. In the 1933 attempt (spurred by economic discontent at the time) they went to petition the British parliament, which they believed had sovereignty at the time. The British said that the 1931 Statue of Westminster prevented them from interfering in Australian Federal matters. The movement died out.

Lang Hancock started another attempt in the 70ís during the first Iron Ore boom. It got some traction in the press and they fielded some politcial candidates but that died out within time, as this ďattemptĒ will too.

Thereís no mention in the Constitution about leaving the Federation, I assume barring a civil war Federal Parliament would have to grant assent, which they wonít.

I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.
I reckon if I posed that question in any state - ďShould NSW/Vic/whoever secede if the residents of this state will benefit economically?Ē the results would be a clear Yes too. It doesnít mean itís going to happen.

This thread having devolved into secession talk anyway is pointless, even if WA or any state did secede I doubt it would have a major effect on the amount of people travelling between cities once the pandemic is over, which therefore wouldnít have too much of an effect on airline jobs, which is what this thread should be about anyway.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 02:45
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Vic has mostly opened up, that’s a good start. Hopefully Queen P announces next Friday the same. SA won’t open until Feb but at least they have a date
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 03:36
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Vic has mostly opened up, thatís a good start. Hopefully Queen P announces next Friday the same. SA wonít open until Feb but at least they have a date
yeah good start, but who has a clue to figuring out the traffic light system.

northern beaches LGA with 150+ cases since mid December can come in, but Canada Bay LGA with 0 cases since October canít...

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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 03:39
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Canada bay can go to Vic unrestricted. It’s just one LGA that can’t go. But you’re correct this traffic light system who can make sense of it.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 03:57
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Canada bay can go to Vic unrestricted. Itís just one LGA that canít go. But youíre correct this traffic light system who can make sense of it.
Ok, I must of missed that update today
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 11:32
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Originally Posted by dr dre
even if WA or any state did secede I doubt it would have a major effect on the amount of people travelling between cities once the pandemic is over, which therefore wouldn’t have too much of an effect on airline jobs, which is what this thread should be about anyway.
Good summary - but remember that would also involve a CASA and a CASWA, and international relations between them.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 22:36
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WA had/has a policy of dividing the state into sections that get travel restrictions when/if they get community COVID cases.

If they simply applied that to other states and territories, that would be a good start.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT & NSW could be broken up into many zones and only the zone/s (that everyone knows in advance) get shut down if a cases evolve.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 01:56
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It is already applied to NSW, in the form of LGA at the current minute Cumberland is the only LGA not allowed to enter Victoria. Why that is I have no idea very random.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 03:11
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
It is already applied to NSW, in the form of LGA at the current minute Cumberland is the only LGA not allowed to enter Victoria. Why that is I have no idea very random.
Qld, the NT and, IIRC SA also had LGA-Specific restrictions on entry vs locking out the whole state, WA being the holdout with their typical "EVERYONE in NSW is a risk to us" attitude.

Yet McGoose wants Gladys to "go with the majority and eliminate the virus...." but it seems to me I can travel almost anywhere in the country from my country-NSW LGA, except WA.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 03:23
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When will QLD make a decision are they wanting 28 days still?! SA earliest opening to Sydney is February 2nd for 14 days.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:21
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Looks about Monday 15th for Sydney/Queensland to open, IF things stay at zero.

So if Sydney pickup another case this coming week its basically game over until March 1.

Rex looking doubtful. Dan will follow his colleague up north. The question is how long will it last also once the gates are open. 30 days seems a good figure to put cash on.

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations Iíve picked up.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 05:20
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Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 05:35
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On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
The higher classification came from the outbreak being of the B117 mutation which has a higher risk of transmissibility, which is why all states applied restrictions on Queensland straight away. Normal protocols and classifications had to be altered to take into account the higher risk of exponential growth outpacing contact tracing ability, itís a testament to the hotel worker who was infected that they limited their contact whilst working in a high risk job.

If you do a little bit of looking youíll see thereís hard science behind these decisions, it isnít all a conspiracy.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 05:56
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Originally Posted by wheels_down

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations Iíve picked up.
Thats interesting, conversations Iíve had with travelers and what I have seen indicates the opposite. Ppl just want to be able to move around see their family, holiday and do business. It will come back just like November. But, mostly likely closing again in April because of one case.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 06:46
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
Also worth pointing out it was QLD that asked for all states to declare BNE as a hotspot... which then triggered the border restrictions.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 09:54
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Originally Posted by dr dre
The higher classification came from the outbreak being of the B117 mutation which has a higher risk of transmissibility, which is why all states applied restrictions on Queensland straight away. Normal protocols and classifications had to be altered to take into account the higher risk of exponential growth outpacing contact tracing ability, itís a testament to the hotel worker who was infected that they limited their contact whilst working in a high risk job.

If you do a little bit of looking youíll see thereís hard science behind these decisions, it isnít all a conspiracy.
They have had about 14 days to amend the website! not very hard.

Very little science - distance and population density are a key factor - and truth is there was no real community transmittions of that strain even though the ground zero case used public transport. The only community case was her partner.

Got some science for that 70% more contagious variant or just luck?

Actual fact in Australia by science is it is less transmittable here, or am I missing the science on that?

Up to 5 days infectious in the community and all.

The numbers and rates of this virus are weird across the World but the stats within countries are pretty consistent after around 6 months after the first cases/second waves. They can be both good and bad and many countries (I have visited or lived) are pretty honest on such things. But the stats are way off what I expected.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Bend alot

Very little science - distance and population density are a key factor - and truth is there was no real community transmittions of that strain even though the ground zero case used public transport. The only community case was her partner.
Could have used a mask, could have been in an empty part of the train, could have coughed/sneezed into the elbow, could have not been shedding at that time.....

Got some science for that 70% more contagious variant or just luck?
Lineage-specific growth of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 during the English national lockdown

Covid-19: New variant raises R number by up to 0.7

Actual fact in Australia by science is it is less transmittable here, or am I missing the science on that?
Single clusters are rarely good to form conclusions from. We know that if strain B1.1.7 gets into the community it does spread more than previous dominant strains. This is seen in nations which have had large outbreak of it.

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 12:56
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Could have used a mask, could have been in an empty part of the train, could have coughed/sneezed into the elbow, could have not been shedding at that time.....



Lineage-specific growth of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 during the English national lockdown

Covid-19: New variant raises R number by up to 0.7



Single clusters are rarely good to form conclusions from. We know that if strain B1.1.7 gets into the community it does spread more than previous dominant strains. This is seen in nations which have had large outbreak of it.

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
Try Botswana almost same number of cases as Australia - far fewer deaths and 1 10th the population.

New mutation to date is nothing outside both UK and South Africa (note Botswana is next door to south African strain).

If you think both the South African and UK variants are not in Botswana - I quote the Castle.

All the links and stuff still mean nothing look at Sweden originally the great model - then not. then we are still not sure (but certainly not a great model) they may end up not too bad.

What does seem to work (in affected state) is a hard fast large lock down - in Australia. That has worked in a number of states with the outbreaks. TAS, QLD and SA spring to mind.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 13:01
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Originally Posted by dr dre

Take Ireland for example. For the most part they were doing a good job with the pandemic. That all changed with the new mutation becoming the dominant variant. Now their health system is beginning to reach capacity.
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...ay-22-january/

200 odd in ICU, actually looks like itís under control. As is Sweden
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 14:13
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200 odd in ICU, actually looks like itís under control.
Totally under control, thatís barely anyone in the ICU, Iím sure thereís heaps more space left.......

ĎUrgent need of volunteersí ó Irish hospitals on the brink with just 26 ICU beds left in entire country

As is Sweden
Theyíre totally under control as well man, totally......

Covid-19 forces Swedish hospitals to delay 'necessary surgery' - Every one of the country's 21 regional healthcare authorities reported being in a "strained" or "very strained" situation, with the regions of JŲnkŲping and Uppsala telling SR that they were having to postpone urgent operations on cancer or heart patients

But hey, just the flu right......
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