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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:52
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
C’mon wingnut60, you know the amount of West Aussies with a “burning” desire to “go it alone” is minuscule. I know 28% wanted secession on an opinion poll, but there’s a big difference between saying “ummmm yeah secession doesn’t sound that bad” when asked by an opinion pollster and actual tangible steps to make it so.

There’s no protests happening, no politicians want it, the WAxit party is a micro party of Palmer failures who’ll have no political sway at the next election and the real people who run the state (BHP, Rio) don’t want it.

It serves no useful purpose on this thread to pretend there’s a groundswell of grassroots movement for secession.
Yes. That does not represent reality.
What I should have said was that it drives a burning resentment at being forced to listen to that patronising BS at every turn.

Yes, WA is lucky to be able to capitalise on our mineral wealth and agriculture.
Both are subject to cyclic highs and lows. NSW and Victorian exports are too.
While smuggly denigrating WA do they ever consider the probable impact on their sacred financial services division if they were to lose 46% of their revenue.
Or that the services division might just follow the money.
Plenty of banks in the world.

And any conjecture at a Chinese invasion that focuses only on WA is pure wet dream
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:53
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I think people are largely missing the point regarding borders and the like.

More to do with ability (or lack thereof) to deal with a major outbreak, than parochialism, politics, space aliens or whatever.

ICU capacity is a good indicator of that ability.

NZ went tougher, ICU places per capita substantially less than Australia.

Western Samoa, less again. A full on sitting of parliament decides entry on an individual case by case basis there.

But keep up the state hate sledging.

Makes you look smarter.

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Old 21st Jan 2021, 22:20
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
C’mon wingnut60, you know the amount of West Aussies with a “burning” desire to “go it alone” is minuscule. I know 28% wanted secession on an opinion poll, but there’s a big difference between saying “ummmm yeah secession doesn’t sound that bad” when asked by an opinion pollster and actual tangible steps to make it so.

There’s no protests happening, no politicians want it, the WAxit party is a micro party of Palmer failures who’ll have no political sway at the next election and the real people who run the state (BHP, Rio) don’t want it.

It serves no useful purpose on this thread to pretend there’s a groundswell of grassroots movement for secession.
The irony of your commentary is that it isn't up to WA to secede, the rest of Australia would have to agree to it via a referendum would they not? I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.

And any conjecture at a Chinese invasion that focuses only on WA is pure wet dream
No, they are way more subtle than that.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.
The question could have been: “Do you think people from ‘The East’ are really lizard people in disguise?” and the results would have been similar.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 23:57
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
The question could have been: “Do you think people from ‘The East’ are really lizard people in disguise?” and the results would have been similar.
I think that is in the school curriculum.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 01:06
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
The irony of your commentary is that it isn't up to WA to secede, the rest of Australia would have to agree to it via a referendum would they not?
Well, it’s complicated. In the 1933 attempt (spurred by economic discontent at the time) they went to petition the British parliament, which they believed had sovereignty at the time. The British said that the 1931 Statue of Westminster prevented them from interfering in Australian Federal matters. The movement died out.

Lang Hancock started another attempt in the 70’s during the first Iron Ore boom. It got some traction in the press and they fielded some politcial candidates but that died out within time, as this “attempt” will too.

There’s no mention in the Constitution about leaving the Federation, I assume barring a civil war Federal Parliament would have to grant assent, which they won’t.

I was in the WA museum the other day - this very question is posed in one of the displays and a very unscientific counter method used to allow visitors to answer the question "Do you think WA should secede?". The pile of counters for yes was definitely greater than that for no.
I reckon if I posed that question in any state - “Should NSW/Vic/whoever secede if the residents of this state will benefit economically?” the results would be a clear Yes too. It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.

This thread having devolved into secession talk anyway is pointless, even if WA or any state did secede I doubt it would have a major effect on the amount of people travelling between cities once the pandemic is over, which therefore wouldn’t have too much of an effect on airline jobs, which is what this thread should be about anyway.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 01:45
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Vic has mostly opened up, that’s a good start. Hopefully Queen P announces next Friday the same. SA won’t open until Feb but at least they have a date
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 02:36
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Vic has mostly opened up, that’s a good start. Hopefully Queen P announces next Friday the same. SA won’t open until Feb but at least they have a date
yeah good start, but who has a clue to figuring out the traffic light system.

northern beaches LGA with 150+ cases since mid December can come in, but Canada Bay LGA with 0 cases since October can’t...

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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 02:39
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Canada bay can go to Vic unrestricted. It’s just one LGA that can’t go. But you’re correct this traffic light system who can make sense of it.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 02:57
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Canada bay can go to Vic unrestricted. It’s just one LGA that can’t go. But you’re correct this traffic light system who can make sense of it.
Ok, I must of missed that update today
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 10:32
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
even if WA or any state did secede I doubt it would have a major effect on the amount of people travelling between cities once the pandemic is over, which therefore wouldn’t have too much of an effect on airline jobs, which is what this thread should be about anyway.
Good summary - but remember that would also involve a CASA and a CASWA, and international relations between them.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 21:36
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WA had/has a policy of dividing the state into sections that get travel restrictions when/if they get community COVID cases.

If they simply applied that to other states and territories, that would be a good start.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT & NSW could be broken up into many zones and only the zone/s (that everyone knows in advance) get shut down if a cases evolve.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 00:56
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It is already applied to NSW, in the form of LGA at the current minute Cumberland is the only LGA not allowed to enter Victoria. Why that is I have no idea very random.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 02:11
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It is already applied to NSW, in the form of LGA at the current minute Cumberland is the only LGA not allowed to enter Victoria. Why that is I have no idea very random.
Qld, the NT and, IIRC SA also had LGA-Specific restrictions on entry vs locking out the whole state, WA being the holdout with their typical "EVERYONE in NSW is a risk to us" attitude.

Yet McGoose wants Gladys to "go with the majority and eliminate the virus...." but it seems to me I can travel almost anywhere in the country from my country-NSW LGA, except WA.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 02:23
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When will QLD make a decision are they wanting 28 days still?! SA earliest opening to Sydney is February 2nd for 14 days.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 03:21
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Looks about Monday 15th for Sydney/Queensland to open, IF things stay at zero.

So if Sydney pickup another case this coming week its basically game over until March 1.

Rex looking doubtful. Dan will follow his colleague up north. The question is how long will it last also once the gates are open. 30 days seems a good figure to put cash on.

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations I’ve picked up.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:20
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Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:35
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
The higher classification came from the outbreak being of the B117 mutation which has a higher risk of transmissibility, which is why all states applied restrictions on Queensland straight away. Normal protocols and classifications had to be altered to take into account the higher risk of exponential growth outpacing contact tracing ability, it’s a testament to the hotel worker who was infected that they limited their contact whilst working in a high risk job.

If you do a little bit of looking you’ll see there’s hard science behind these decisions, it isn’t all a conspiracy.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 04:56
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post

Why even bother trying to travel domestically this year. Confidence had most certainly dropped off in the last 30 days, well from the conversations I’ve picked up.
Thats interesting, conversations I’ve had with travelers and what I have seen indicates the opposite. Ppl just want to be able to move around see their family, holiday and do business. It will come back just like November. But, mostly likely closing again in April because of one case.
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Old 23rd Jan 2021, 05:46
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Interesting is WA have on their web page requirements for very low, low and medium risk states.

They also state what very low and low is as per community COVID 19 numbers - BUT THEY have not followed their own public info! On this QLD should only have risen to low, from very low as only 2 cases were in the community in last rolling 14 - they state up to 5 cases of rolling 14 days is a low category risk state or territory.
Also worth pointing out it was QLD that asked for all states to declare BNE as a hotspot... which then triggered the border restrictions.
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