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Originally Posted by Slezy9
Hello, New Zealand calling!
Just like NSW did, just like Qld...
Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
Yep, they eliminated it. Sure did. Was going great for so long.Then Poof! Like a magic trick it was back - and they still don't know where it came from.
Just like NSW did, just like Qld...
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Just like NSW did, just like Qld...
Wash, rinse, repeat.
The epidemiologist meaning of elimination is to remove it from society and then, as it reappears in the community, as it will, have zero tolerance for it remaining.
It’s a process, that will continue until it stops being a pandemic and becomes endemic.
There have been 5 outbreaks of COVID in the community since June 2020, only the August outbreak required any change to the alert levels. The other 4 were handled without changing much of the way life is in NZ.
The most recent change after the last case of community transmission (18th November) was compulsory masks on all forms of public transport.
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
Worst case scenario USA, --------- against Australia
Population 330,000,000 -----------------25,000,000
Total cases 23,400,000 ------------------ 28,647
Deaths 389,900 -------------------------------- 909
Total recoveries 13,800,000 ------------- 25,860
Active cases with covid 9,200,000 ------- 1,878
IN ICU 29,222 ------------------------------------ 1
Deaths per 1,000,000 = 1173 ----------------- 35
Haven't got health care workers though you reckon they would be healthy in the first place if their dealing with sick people
as their profession. As you can see the Aus numbers are influenced with harsh lockdowns, curfews, international air restrictions.
The USA hardly did any of that plus their diet is crap they all live on top of each other hence the large numbers.
I understand the problem, people should not be scared of the virus you should be scared of your own immune system.
Planet earth is located at the right temperature from the sun to sustain life. Provided is O2 and H2O and they alone
will produce fungi, moulds, viruses, germs. The bloke upstairs then decided to invent humans, and he provided them
with a immune system to fight them off. I believe that's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
Guess what, it will continue for the next 10,000 and 10,000 after that. What are we scared of?
Population 330,000,000 -----------------25,000,000
Total cases 23,400,000 ------------------ 28,647
Deaths 389,900 -------------------------------- 909
Total recoveries 13,800,000 ------------- 25,860
Active cases with covid 9,200,000 ------- 1,878
IN ICU 29,222 ------------------------------------ 1
Deaths per 1,000,000 = 1173 ----------------- 35
Haven't got health care workers though you reckon they would be healthy in the first place if their dealing with sick people
as their profession. As you can see the Aus numbers are influenced with harsh lockdowns, curfews, international air restrictions.
The USA hardly did any of that plus their diet is crap they all live on top of each other hence the large numbers.
I understand the problem, people should not be scared of the virus you should be scared of your own immune system.
Planet earth is located at the right temperature from the sun to sustain life. Provided is O2 and H2O and they alone
will produce fungi, moulds, viruses, germs. The bloke upstairs then decided to invent humans, and he provided them
with a immune system to fight them off. I believe that's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
Guess what, it will continue for the next 10,000 and 10,000 after that. What are we scared of?
Total deaths in USA in previous years seem to be, if you can believe anything online anymore, between 2.7 & 2.9 million (that's over 7,000 a day). Figures for 2020 don't seem to have been released yet, but maybe slightly higher in 2020 than in 2019, but not 300,000 or 350,000 more & 2021 is expected by many to be less than 2020, perhaps 2.7 or 2.8 million.
With hospitals in USA claiming bonus payments for patients with covid 19, think many might not be dying from covid but with covid & there is a huge difference.
Time will tell.
We all will die at some point. Guarantee it.
Everyone needs to get it into perspective & play down the media hype.
Watch out when the flu hits. That's really deadly.
You do realise that elimination in the middle of a global pandemic is not a one shot deal? Do it once and never see it again?
I'm not stupid enough to think you can completely eradicate the thing so long as you have international arrivals entering the country. Just like Gladys, the NT Premier and even - to a certain extent now she's been re-elected, Anna-Stayaway. The person you need to convince is Mark McGowan.
He's so hell-bent on this 'concept' of eradication that he thinks it means exactly that. Eradicate, gone, never-to-be-seen-again. Sadly, that isn't the reality. It is out there. It will get out of hotel quarantine again, we will have ongoing community transmission, no matter how well we try not to. And that's the point I made about EnZed. They had "eliminated" it, but it got back and they can't tell you how. Neither can NSW, nor Qld explain how their recent outbreaks made it out of the hotel quarantine system. But it did - and Mark McGoose did his usual trick of closing the door to stop the boogeyman, nevermind the action NSW and Qld took contained it quickly and effectively. If you have an ongoing caseload of 1:1,000,000 citizens, that's an outstanding effort in the global scheme of things. But that isn't good enough for ol' Mark.
So long as we have asreclowns like that, who think the only way to manage an outbreak interstate is to block all arrivals from that state, then that is more of an issue than the virus itself. Nevermind that WA has testified they can handle a COVID caseload of 5,000 active cases in their state. They don't want any and will stop at nothing to ensure it stays that way, no matter the (financial/emotional/personal) cost!
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Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
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Originally Posted by lc_461
Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
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Originally Posted by lc_461
Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
He likes to bleat about how good he is but his success is not based on how he has dealt with community transmission.
Other states have had to battle outbreaks( 1 in particular due to a massive stuff up) but in all cases now & not disputing how there are still rules affecting a lot of our movement around the country,the actions taken have worked.
McGowan hasnt been tested yet as far as a response goes.
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McGoose wouldn’t be able to handle any case of community transmission he has been able to brainwash all of WA to think how good he has handled this in reality he has done nothing special. Where is the opposition in all of his questioning his border closure etc. it’s like it’s a one party show in WA
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Originally Posted by blubak
Couldnt agree more,there will be an outbreak there at some stage & apart from declaring a hard border since this all started,he hasnt had to deal with how to control it.
He likes to bleat about how good he is but his success is not based on how he has dealt with community transmission.
He likes to bleat about how good he is but his success is not based on how he has dealt with community transmission.
You may not remember but the West Australian voting public does.
31 March 2020
The Department of Health has reported nine new cases of COVID-19 overnight, bringing the State’s total to 364.All the new cases are from the Perth metropolitan area and all are self-isolating at home.
Four of the confirmed cases are travellers who have returned from overseas and three are close contacts of overseas travellers.
There are currently 54 confirmed COVID-19 patients in Perth metropolitan hospitals, with 12 in ICU.
The number of recovered cases in WA is now 48.
It was difficult to hear at that time above Beryl's bleating that it wasn't her fault that the people got off the Ruby Princess and headed straight for the leagues clubs.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
McGoose wouldn’t be able to handle any case of community transmission he has been able to brainwash all of WA to think how good he has handled this in reality he has done nothing special. Where is the opposition in all of his questioning his border closure etc. it’s like it’s a one party show in WA
So, of those 9 you've just quoted, 4 arrived from overseas with the Pestilence, three caught it from one of those 4 arrivals, leaving just two cases that look to be a function of 'community transmission'. I'd be really interested to know just how many "unknown" or genuine community cases WA has really had overall, compared to the other states.
McGoose has not had to deal with an outbreak of unknown source, as has SA, Qld or NSW, and he is riding high on his ability to do two things. 1 - fail to take in WA's fair share of international arrivals early in the piece, instead, leaving it to the likes of NSW & Victoria to handle the majority of international travellers returning to Australia, which essentially means his "0" number is built on a lie and, 2 - his knee-jerk reaction to any outbreak nationwide by closing the borders to keep his treasured "0" number, notwithstanding WA has testified (in open court, remember) that their health system can handle 5,000 active cases of COVID in the community at any one time.
If it can handle that many cases, then why close the border? Why deny 23,000,000 citizens their right to travel to WA if they so choose? The answer to that is simple. IT is no longer about COVID so much as it is about his chances of re-election. WA has staked their entire COVID response on, essentially, thumbing their nose at everyone else, with little real preparedness or meaningful attempt at a common way of dealing with it and ScoMo lacks the balls to call him out on it.
I'm sure NSW could replicate WA's achievement of "no cases for 8 months" if Gladys restricted international arrivals through Sydney from the nominal 2,450 per week to "only" 500 per week like Perth did. OR maybe they could be like Tasmania, and take zero international arrivals, instead, relying on the goodwill of other states to carry the entire risk of an outbreak, and then close our borders to travelers from those states anyway?
McGoose has not had to deal with an outbreak of unknown source, as has SA, Qld or NSW, and he is riding high on his ability to do two things. 1 - fail to take in WA's fair share of international arrivals early in the piece, instead, leaving it to the likes of NSW & Victoria to handle the majority of international travellers returning to Australia, which essentially means his "0" number is built on a lie and, 2 - his knee-jerk reaction to any outbreak nationwide by closing the borders to keep his treasured "0" number, notwithstanding WA has testified (in open court, remember) that their health system can handle 5,000 active cases of COVID in the community at any one time.
If it can handle that many cases, then why close the border? Why deny 23,000,000 citizens their right to travel to WA if they so choose? The answer to that is simple. IT is no longer about COVID so much as it is about his chances of re-election. WA has staked their entire COVID response on, essentially, thumbing their nose at everyone else, with little real preparedness or meaningful attempt at a common way of dealing with it and ScoMo lacks the balls to call him out on it.
I'm sure NSW could replicate WA's achievement of "no cases for 8 months" if Gladys restricted international arrivals through Sydney from the nominal 2,450 per week to "only" 500 per week like Perth did. OR maybe they could be like Tasmania, and take zero international arrivals, instead, relying on the goodwill of other states to carry the entire risk of an outbreak, and then close our borders to travelers from those states anyway?
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Originally Posted by KRviator
I'm sure NSW could replicate WA's achievement of "no cases for 8 months" if Gladys restricted international arrivals through Sydney from the nominal 2,450 per week to "only" 500 per week like Perth did. OR maybe they could be like Tasmania, and take zero international arrivals, instead, relying on the goodwill of other states to carry the entire risk of an outbreak, and then close our borders to travelers from those states anyway?
It has been documented here on several occasions that since last September, on a per capita basis, WA has taken (slightly) more returnees than any other state.
That remains correct even now after the recent reductions to 2450 and 512 respectively.
For those who think (sic - presumes capability to think) that W.A. has not had cases of unknown origin please take the time to check here WA Covid statistics
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Per capita basis on taking citizens has zero relevance, if we are to be going down this route WA should be taking double the amount of any state as they have more per square meter space available for internationals to quarantine.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Per capita basis on taking citizens has zero relevance, if we are to be going down this route WA should be taking double the amount of any state as they have more per square meter space available for internationals to quarantine.
Per capita reflects proportional capability to manage arrivals, quarantine, enforcement, hospitals, etc.
Pls refer "Capability to think" in my previous post.
Plus we had to deal with Artania and Magnifica and freight ships with covid positive members. I haven't heard anyone here in WA complain about how McGowan has handled things. Compared to the debacles in some of the other states we have done pretty well, but yes there is an element of luck in that the ones that have escaped from quarantine haven't been positive.
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I haven't heard anyone here in WA complain about how McGowan has handled things. Compared to the debacles in some of the other states we have done pretty well, but yes there is an element of luck in that the ones that have escaped from quarantine haven't been positive.
Eventually the people in the safe Labor electorates will start complaining when they have to pay Rockpool prices at their local Pub and the plumber cost $1000 to change a few washes. However by the time this occurs McGowan will be safely into his second term, so he doesn't care.
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leaving it to the likes of NSW & Victoria to handle the majority of international travellers
I also think NSW didn't have mandatory quarantine for domestic arrivals from interstate? This was what brought the Intl Pax cap on for arrivals into BNE, because the hotel supply was filled up with interstate detainees as a priority, with intls getting what was left.
Once domestic quarantine eased, many BNE (and other areas) hotels said they did not want quarantine pax back, as they were busier with intrastate tourism, and didn't want the hassles, issues , and restrictions that quarantine brought. They were happy to take the business when it was the only business, but they don't need or want it now.
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